What The Tea Party Needs

[Sawbriars]

The first thing that comes to mind is a leader......there are several 'leading' voices in the movement but no real leader it appears to me....that is the main thing that needs to be addressed at this moment.

Once they have a leader and one that can unify the movement....and change it from a movement to a real party then they can proceed to educate the people in regards to what they stand for and begin a massive effort to recruit across the nation at the grass roots level.

The main enemy of the Tea Party is of course the timid, the moderate, and the elitist politically correct republicans....if it is impossible to persuade them as to what the Republican party needs then it is time to abandon the Republican party and officially form their own party....it makes no sense to stay in a party which will lead them down the road to another defeat.

 

[Sawbriars]

Another major thing the Tea Party needs is a 'winning strategy' to recapture the White House....whilst this should be obvious.....apparently it is not.

The Republican Party for sure has no clue as to what is needed to win next time....made clear by their devotion to their opponent's agenda.....aka trying to out liberal the liberals....how foolish can they get?

The mainstream of the Republican Party still does not understand why they lost and get insulted if anyone tries to explain it to them....they are devoted to their agenda come hell or high water....just like the democrats.

The reason Romney lost is very, very simple...and all one has to do to confirm it is to check and see who voted for Romney and who did not, who stayed home instead of voting and why....yet the elitist big wig republicans seem unwilling to do this...or have they? I cannot believe they have not...which means of course that they know but do not want anyone else to know. Why? because it conflicts their agenda....it appears they would rather let the Democrats keep winning rather than sacrifice their agenda....this means their main objective is to retain control of the party no matter how big of a sacrifice they must make....meaning they find it preferable to allow another Democratic Victory rather than surrender the Repubican Party to a bunch of radicals....that is what they consider the True Conservatives and White Working Class to be. Their thinking on this would be that they feel they can work with the liberals to a certain extent but have a great fear of the White Working Class and what a loss of the Republican Party to these 'radicals' would mean for them....aka a complete loss of relevance, political isolation and a complete loss of power.

I am not sure if the Tea Party recognizes this or not....some do...but how many is the question? Which brings me back to a Winning Strategy for the Tea Party....in a nutshell it rests with the White Working Class....the key to a Tea Party Winning Strategy....the Tea Party needs to be a party of by and for the White Working Class...if they cannot come to grips with this....then hang it up...they are no better than the timid, mainstream, moderate and politically correct Republicans if they refuse to understand this.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Yes. You are spot on. The Tea Party must come out as the party of the white working class if they want a chance at victory.

You are so right. The Tea Party needs a leader, an agenda and a winning strategy. Once all of those things are accomplished....victory is certain.

 

[Sawbriars]

Well...apparently I got glitched...posted a couple of things and I do not seem them here.


Let me try again..................The GOP is led by people who act as though white, working-class voters all had cooties, and/or that a voting machine will somehow count each white, working-class vote as worth a mere fraction of a brown or black vote.

The ultimate question we keep coming back to is this: Can the GOP be saved, in spite of its current leaders, from within, by an immigration patriot like Sen. Jeff Sessions, or Sen. Ted Cruz, or will the gang dominating it (Karl Rove, Sheldon Adelson, et al.) kill the party, rather than relinquish control of it?

The latter case would necessitate the birth of a new, populist, patriotic party openly geared towards whites. How much time is left, before the country becomes unsalvageable?

The people who have the GOP in a chokehold refuse to see that they are taking the country down a path that will inevitably lead to dictatorship, civil war, and/or genocide. by Peter Brimelow

 

[Sawbriars]

U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions argues that the Senate immigration bill defies the rule of law and will hurt the American economy.


WASHINGTON — Sen. Jeff Sessions was unable to prevent the Senate from passing a massive immigration overhaul, so the Alabama Republican is crossing the Capitol to keep the House from doing the same.

Sessions, in two recent interviews, said he continues to meet with House Republicans to share his concerns about any plan that would increase legal immigration too much and not decrease illegal immigration enough.

“I think they’re coming around to the understanding that our loyalty has to be to the (white) working people here today,” Sessions said. Due to political constraints he could not say white working class as that term is being construed by some as racist...what a outrage. The Tea Party needs to get educated on what racism is and isn't and get out of the 'racist' trap the republican party has gotten mired down into kinda like ber rabbit and the tarbaby.

Sessions was a leading opponent of the bipartisan plan that passed the Senate in June. In the House, the Republican majority has not embraced the comprehensive Senate bill, which includes a path to citizenship for some immigrants already in the country.

But the House is instead tackling the issue in a series of individual proposals, such as border security, verifying the immigration status of employees and steering more visas to high-skilled immigrants.

Sessions’ opposition is a reprise of his role in 2006-07.

New this year, though, is his argument that increasing the number of immigrants in the country would depress wages and make it harder for Americans to find work.

Sessions, a conservative better known for trying to cut social welfare programs, says he has taken up the cause of the working class. Again.....to be precise he should have said the 'White Working Class'.

“One of my strong views is that we do owe an obligation to working Americans,” Sessions said. “And too little attention — virtually no attention — was given at first, except from my efforts, to the huge increases in lawful immigration that would have impacted adversely salary and job prospects.”

It is a theme that will carry over to his 2014 re-election campaign. Sessions, now in his 17th year in the Senate, is running for a fourth term.

“I grew up with working people. We’re not talking to them,” Sessions said. “We have to do a better job defending the American worker on the world stage.”

 

[Sawbriars]

Byron York’s Belated Discovery: GOP Does Not Have an Hispanic Problem


Even had Republicans won the much coveted Hispanic vote in November, Mitt Romney still would have lost.

Thus declares Byron York while writing in the Washington Examiner last week.

Using a New York Times’ calculator devised by Nate Silver, York reports that even if Romney “had been able to make history and attract 50 percent of Hispanic voters,” he “still would have been beaten, 283 electoral votes to 255.” And had he “been able to do something absolutely astonishing for a Republican and win 60 percent of the Hispanic vote,” he “would have lost by the same margin, 283 electoral votes to 255.”

To show just how wide of the mark is the conventional wisdom on the GOP’s need for Hispanics, York reveals that even had Romney “been able to reach a mind-blowing 70 percent of the Hispanic vote,” he “still would have lost [.]” In such a situation, Romney would have won the popular vote while losing the Electoral College, 270-268.

York informs us that Romney would have had to increase his share of the Hispanic vote from the paltry 27 percent that he actually received to a whopping 73 percent to have won in 2012. Obviously, York concludes, “Romney, and Republicans, had bigger problems than Hispanic voters.”

Indeed. Some of us have known all of this for quite some time. We also have known what York tells us next:

“The most serious” of Republicans’ problems “was that Romney was not able to connect with white voters who were so turned off by the campaign that they abandoned the GOP and in many cases stayed away from the polls altogether.”

Romney, like McCain before him, failed to resonate with white voters.

And judging from the number of whites who decided to either sit out the election or throw in behind Obama or some third party candidate, this failure to connect was huge. “Recent reports,” York relays, “suggest [that] as many as 5 million white voters simply stayed home on Election Day.” What exactly does this mean? Well, if whites “had voted at the same rate [that] they did in 2004, even with the demographic changes since then, Romney would have won.”

York adds that “the white vote is so large that an improvement of 4 points…would have won the race for Romney.”

Given all of this, York facetiously asks: “So which would have been a more realistic goal for Romney—matching the white turnout from just a few years earlier, or winning 73 percent of Hispanic voters?”

York asserts that if 2012 voting patterns remain constant—“whites voting in lower numbers but about 60 percent for Republicans, blacks and Asians turning out in large numbers and voting 90 percent and 70 percent, respectively, for Democrats”—then “Republicans will have to win an astonishingly high percentage of the Hispanic vote to capture the White House.”

York then proceeds to debunk the conventional wisdom among Republican politicians and pundits as the conventional folly that it is. “It is simply not reasonable,” he states, “to believe that there is something the GOP can do—pass immigration reform, juice up voter-outreach efforts—that will create that result.”

So, what must the GOP do?

The bulk of York’s piece has all but spelled out the answer to this question: appeal to the millions of disenchanted whites who feel that their interests have been neglected by both national parties. Yet even now, and in spite of all that he has written, York still tries to avoid being racially explicit. Instead, he writes of the need for Republicans to reach “the millions of Americans who have seen their standard of living decline over the past decades,” those to whom Romney failed to appeal. The next Republican presidential candidate who can do this, he is convinced, will win.

York is to be commended for daring to speak a truth that far too many try at all costs to deny. And he is certainly correct when he concludes his article with the reminder that reaching those millions of Americans who otherwise feel betrayed or ignored by Republicans “would do more than any immigration bill or outreach program ever could.”

But neither York nor any other Republican can afford to be afraid to say that it is reaching millions of white voters that will guarantee the GOP future electoral victories. Nor should they ignore the fact that these same whites do not live by bread alone. It isn’t just material concerns that motivate them, but the sense, the conviction, that political and cultural elites have silently declared a kind of cold war against them: they are the only group that is not supposed to have legitimate interests.

Until Republicans come to terms with this reality, white voter turn-out will remain low.

And Republicans will remain losers.

posted by Jack Kerwick
Read more: Byron York?s Belated Discovery: GOP Does Not Have an Hispanic Problem - At the Intersection of Faith and Culture

 

[peach174]

The first thing that comes to mind is a leader......there are several 'leading' voices in the movement but no real leader it appears to me....that is the main thing that needs to be addressed at this moment.

Once they have a leader and one that can unify the movement....and change it from a movement to a real party then they can proceed to educate the people in regards to what they stand for and begin a massive effort to recruit across the nation at the grass roots level.

The main enemy of the Tea Party is of course the timid, the moderate, and the elitist politically correct republicans....if it is impossible to persuade them as to what the Republican party needs then it is time to abandon the Republican party and officially form their own party....it makes no sense to stay in a party which will lead them down the road to another defeat.

The TEA party is a movement not a political party. They need no leader.
They are a grass root group of people made of several organizations across the county.
They are the silent majority of voters from both parties and independents.

The Tea Party movement is drawing people from all political stripes, social causes, and income brackets. It is drawing people who have never participated in any kind of political or grassroots movement before. What we have in common, and what holds us together, is a very deep love for the uniqueness of the United States of America, a desire for the limited government that our Founding Fathers created, a fairly "strict" interpretation of the Constitution, a belief in capitalism and free enterprise and a strong sense of personal responsibility. Tea Party Movement people are feeling an urgency. They are sensing that we must take action NOW, not next year. There is a general sense among the majority of Tea Party people that both major parties are to blame, neither were fully responsive to voters and that it's time to clean house.

The Tea Party Movement is not endorsing one particular solution, candidate or party

The mainstream Media does not understand this.

They are choosing to "major on the majors". That is the strength and the power of the Tea Party movement.
It won't matter if it's fair tax, no tax or flat tax if our country is bankrupted. It won't matter if you want the Federal Reserve abolished if Congress keeps appropriating power for itself, and voters are ignored. It won't matter how you feel about the federal funding for abortion, or the Marriage Amendment if our government usurps power and does not reverse its current path, your voice will have little impact.

They see themselves as serving as a springboard for the people. They are a starting point. They are a powerful voice saying to all elected officials - local, regional, state and federal - "the government belongs to US the VOTER, the taxpayer, not you".


The major ideas behind them is the government works for us the people.
Smaller more manageable government.
ALL elected and appointed officials are under the employment and serve at the will of We the People.
Excessive tax & regulations burdens and kills prosperity.
Excessive national debt is generational theft, and stealing the future of our children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren.
Neither major political party is "clean" on these issues.

The American public at large is ignorant of the purpose of government, the founding documents such as the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the Federalist Papers. As a result, they allow politicians to sell them false hope and "rights" and "entitlements" that are not guaranteed by the Constitution. By educating the American people on the foundations of our history, we hope to bring sanity to the election and legislative processes.
Their 501(c)'s are for this purpose, to educate the public.

As a group, they are appalled at the audaciousness and arrogance of our government in the last few years, particularly the proposals and bills passed in the last few months, despite massive public disapproval.

The Tea Party is a wake-up call to all Americans

Like they are saying, if Government continues with it's powers, no ones voices will be heard on any of our issues. Left right or in between.

Our Government has become a government, of the government, by the government, for the government.
Our government is suppose to be, of the people, by the people, for the people.
They think that they are the boss of us and that taxes collected are theirs to do with as they please.
Americans are the boss of them. We hire them , we pay their salaries & pensions and we fire them.

 

[peach174]

The TEA party is about 20% of the people, but the silent majority of voters agree with them in their ideology.

The TEA party are the leaders of the silent majority.

 

[Sawbriars]

You are correct regarding your 'definition' of the tea party as it now exists...........but it must transform itself into a party if the Republican Party continues down its present path of political correctness aka immigration reform etc.

All 'political parties' begin as a movement.....but in order to really project power and influence the movement must be able to persuade some party and in the tea party case .....must be able to persuade the Republican Party to come to terms with what is best for America....thus far the mainstream republican party does not get it.

 

[peach174]

You are correct regarding your 'definition' of the tea party as it now exists...........but it must transform itself into a party if the Republican Party continues down its present path of political correctness aka immigration reform etc.

All 'political parties' begin as a movement.....but in order to really project power and influence the movement must be able to persuade some party and in the tea party case .....must be able to persuade the Republican Party to come to terms with what is best for America....thus far the mainstream republican party does not get it.

None of Washington D.C. gets it. Nor the mainstream MEDIA. Even the States and Cities don't get it.
All they get is, its a very small movement that is their enemy, that will take away their power and must be marginalized and eliminated.
There is nothing small about them or the majority of voters.
Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.
This will increase when the uninformed voters are informed.
This is exactly why the IRS will not give them 501(c)'s.
The government does not want well educated voters.

Once again they are not a political party.
They are a group of American citizens who are educating other American voters on what our government is suppose to be and the political issues being passed.
The movement is for all voters not just the Republicans.

It is not about persuading Repubs or Dem's.
It is about the people of this country who vote and are not informed enough to vote. Uninformed voters vote for the parties not the issues.

 

[Wake]

Two things I believe the Tea Party needs is a spine and a moral compass. A spine in order to get pissed at the government and the NSA for violating the 4th ammendment. A moral compass to support people like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning who risk their lives to inform the public about the treachery and deceit of our own government.

 

[Sawbriars]

You are correct regarding your 'definition' of the tea party as it now exists...........but it must transform itself into a party if the Republican Party continues down its present path of political correctness aka immigration reform etc.

All 'political parties' begin as a movement.....but in order to really project power and influence the movement must be able to persuade some party and in the tea party case .....must be able to persuade the Republican Party to come to terms with what is best for America....thus far the mainstream republican party does not get it.

None of Washington D.C. gets it. Nor the mainstream MEDIA. Even the States and Cities don't get it.
All they get is, its a very small movement that is their enemy, that will take away their power and must be marginalized and eliminated.
There is nothing small about them or the majority of voters.
Among voters not affiliated with either major political party, 50% say they’re closer to the Tea Party while 38% side with the President.
This will increase when the uninformed voters are informed.
This is exactly why the IRS will not give them 501(c)'s.
The government does not want well educated voters.

Once again they are not a political party.
They are a group of American citizens who are educating other American voters on what our government is suppose to be and the political issues being passed.
The movement is for all voters not just the Republicans.

It is not about persuading Repubs or Dem's.
It is about the people of this country who vote and are not informed enough to vote. Uninformed voters vote for the parties not the issues.

I think where we disagree is that you are satisfied with the Tea Party as it now exists(at least your perception of it)and what I am saying is that it must change(if the Republican Party stays politically correct)in order not to merely educate(which is all well and good)but to project power, to win elections, to change the American Political scene and ultimately America.....in a nutshell....education is not enough....though critical.

Also....you have more faith in the voters than I do....people will not let common sense, facts or logic interfere with their particular agenda(that was well demonstrated by the Zimmerman affair)you can educate them till the cows come home but when it comes time to vote(if they feel they have someone to vote for)they will vote for issues that directly affect them aka which particular party appears to be willing to do things that will help them or things that they like.....the average voter is not very sophisticated...that is why the media has such a huge influence on them.

Anyhow....so let us suppose you are speaking to a group of voters ...how would you educate them? Exactly what would you tell them? Platitudes are not enough aka ....'the voters must be educated' and 'the government does not want educated voters'.......what I am getting at---what specific things do you think the voters need to be educated about?

Now you may be more informed on the Tea Party than I am...but from what I have observed...there is much disagreement even within the Tea Party on the various issues....that is one reason I think it needs better organization and a real leader who could accomplish that ........ one who will then help form a solid base on which to establish a (for lack of a better phrase) 'party platform'...so people will know exactly where the Tea Party stands....now your perception of it may be right and the movement as you recognize it may not solidify into anything other than a nebulous group of people trying to educate the uninformed. If that turn out to be the case then I think a golden opportunity to change America for the better will have been lost.

 

[Sawbriars]

Two things I believe the Tea Party needs is a spine and a moral compass. A spine in order to get pissed at the government and the NSA for violating the 4th ammendment. A moral compass to support people like Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning who risk their lives to inform the public about the treachery and deceit of our own government.

Well everyone has their particular gripes....but what I advocate for the Tea Party is to seize the opportunity they now have of gaining control of a major political party aka....the republican party wherein then they would have the leverage and real power to address such issues you are concerned with.

Now.....if they fail in that...if they cannot do that....then I advocate they form a party of their own.

The nature of such a party must be of, by and for the White Working Class...if that cannot be understood, if that cannot be accomplished then they might as well call it quits.....because the White Working Class is the only group with the numbers needed and the motivation required to bring about the kind of change this nation needs.....aka a rebirth of America---An America where the American Dream was alive and well....the America we all knew and loved.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Absolutely. The average American voter is decidedly unsophisticated. The media, which is 100% against the Tea Party, will not be any help in getting the true message out. One thing that has bothered me for years now is the fact that we almost never get to hear from Tea Party members. They are never on the radio or on TV. It takes real intelligence and savvy just to find info on the Tea Party.....which is one reason why most Tea Party members are smarter than the average voter.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

The first thing that comes to mind is a leader......there are several 'leading' voices in the movement but no real leader it appears to me....that is the main thing that needs to be addressed at this moment.

Once they have a leader and one that can unify the movement....and change it from a movement to a real party then they can proceed to educate the people in regards to what they stand for and begin a massive effort to recruit across the nation at the grass roots level.

The main enemy of the Tea Party is of course the timid, the moderate, and the elitist politically correct republicans....if it is impossible to persuade them as to what the Republican party needs then it is time to abandon the Republican party and officially form their own party....it makes no sense to stay in a party which will lead them down the road to another defeat.

The tea party doesn't need a leader.

 

[Sawbriars]

Rush lays it out plainly.....the timid, moderate, fat cat and politically correct republicans reject true conservatives.

So what will the tea party do?

It should be evident by now that neither the Tea Party nor the White Working Class have any business in the republican party.

Breitbart News: 404 - Not found

 

[Sawbriars]

Sorry the previous link does not work....maybe this one will>>>>>Limbaugh: Republicans Want a New Base Without Tea Party

 

[Sawbriars]

Everytime I see this clown I have a strong urge to puke....he reeks of political correctness...absolutely nauseating and yet the republican party was stupid enough to nominate him for president....what an outrage and then next time they did little better by nominating Romney.....which should prove to all the doubting thomases that the republican party is a disaster and is stuck on losing.

The message is simple, plain, loud and clear.....all conservatives should get the hell out of the republican party....now the only viable solution for True Conservatives at this time in history is the Tea Party....yet the Tea Party suffers from an identity crisis to put it nicely....they are fragmented, undecisive and plainly a movement in need of a leader...but for some strange reason they seem unable to take the final definitive step of actually becoming a real political party and organizing themselves and defining their beliefs...what is their problem? You see it on this board supposed tea party members confused and unwilling to step up to the plate and recognize or admit what the Tea Party absolutely needs to do in order to give True Conservatives someone to support and vote for....will they waste valuable time by continuing to remain on the sidelines instead of accepting the mantle of leadership for the Conservative Cause?

McCain: Fox News 'Schizophrenic,' Tea Party a 'Concern'

 

[Friends]

The Tea Party could use a realistic program to rebuild America's middle class.

The message of the Tea Party is: cut my taxes; don't cut programs that benefit me; balance the budget. Politicians can win elections by promising to do all that, but they cannot do it.

Since the Reagan campaign of 1980 Republican economic policy has been fraudulent. The Tea Party perpetuates this fraudulence.