What the oil spill tells us about Obama.

[HUGGY]

I don't "glitter" although you might check KrustyFranks locker...We ran some tests at "The List" and there was definitely "glitter" left on and around THE HOMO CAGE.

I would not want to speculalate on what you find "lovely to behold".

I'm just sayin'... Hypocrisy on that level is dazzling. Why, I bet it can be viewed from space. The Eighth Wonder of the World... the mountain of greasy lies the left has built in monument to their much-touted "Tolerance", when all the while, their agenda is beating the diversity out of human thought. Just incredible.

I think the wack whitey rightys starting with Reagan shit canning the photo cells on the white house roof pretty much laid the course for where we are today and how big oil has been steereing the US's outlook on energy including the inevitable spills. This isn't the first.

Blaming Obama is most disengenuous. Energy manipulators in the comodities and Lobbiests representing energy..specifically Big oil have had almost total control of what has for the most part been an industry given astounding tax subsidies and regulatory leeway in thier operations.

With this spill all the "tough guys" show up and try to make this anything but what it is...

It is a spill.

It could have happened any time.

It was caused by reckless orders by the management on the deepwater horizon which circumvented standard proceedure.

It was NOT hatched up in the oval office.

You trying to make it more than that does not make it so.

 

[Murf76]

I think the wack whitey rightys starting with Reagan shit canning the photo cells on the white house roof pretty much laid the course for where we are today and how big oil has been steereing the US's outlook on energy including the inevitable spills. This isn't the first.

Blaming Obama is most disengenuous. Energy manipulators in the comodities and Lobbiests representing energy..specifically Big oil have had almost total control of what has for the most part been an industry given astounding tax subsidies and regulatory leeway in thier operations.

With this spill all the "tough guys" show up and try to make this anything but what it is...

It is a spill.

It could have happened any time.

It was caused by reckless orders by the management on the deepwater horizon which circumvented standard proceedure.

It was NOT hatched up in the oval office.

You trying to make it more than that does not make it so.

Your guy has fucked up. That's the bottom line. There's a manufacturer up in Maine who's been cranking out boom wondering why he's got no buyers despite the fact that Bobby Jindal is on record complaining of shortage on May 24 and the Senators from Maine were writing letters on May 21:
Pajamas Media Miles of Oil Containment Boom Sit in Warehouse, Waiting for BP or U.S. to Use

The size of the largest portion of that slick is the size of South Carolina now.
There's no excuse for that. We've got countries all over the world offering to lend a hand, and every expert on drilling, oil spills, environmental clean-up, etc. ought to be in the Gulf right now. But what we've got instead is Captain Obvious making his case that it's BP's fault and they should be the ones to clean it up. Um... duh! We KNOW who spilled the oil.

Standing around like the parent of a toddler, messily wiping up spilled milk with a paper towel so they can learn their lesson, doesn't protect our coast. Every hand should've been on deck. Obama KNEW how bad this thing was likely to be.

Even the interventions he's aroused himself enough to do though have been ineffective. If news reports are accurate, the capping method being utilized now, which has cut the leak in half, is the first one BP wanted to try, but was instructed to do these other methods first.

This should NOT be a partisan issue. And if anyone is MAKING it a partisan issue, it's Obama, who has used it to try and forward his Cap-and-Tax agenda. But frankly, I think you'll be hard-pressed to find any Republicans who don't believe that Bill Clinton, for example, could have, and would have, responded adequately to this crisis, just as George Bush would have. It's mind-boggling and inexplicable that Obama has not.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

And the environmentalists, that banned us from drilling in the antartic are also guilty of being a bunch of bafoons. They too can carry some of the blame. Ultra deep sea drilling, is crazy. It could be handled better on land

So Mr kerrylostnohio,

Isn't the environmentalists, your party

Yes, you’re obviously correct, you idiot – the all powerful, godlike environmentalists BANNED drilling in the Arctic, but they DID NOT BAN deep sea offshore drilling, which is much more risky to the environment (the current Gulf disaster, case in point). Yes, that makes perfect sense.

What’s even more pathetic is that dirt stupid Repug ass fucks like you actually believe this bullshit.

Anybody with half a brain knows that the oil & gas lobby in Washington is 100 times more powerful than any environment lobbyists. The MMS has been one of the most corrupt organizations in our government for the past 10 years, doing Big Oil's bidding at every fucking turn. Anybody who has done a minute amount of research on this topic knows this is the case, but you get all of your information from fucking Fox News and Sarah Palin.

You are an uninformed, uneducated, unsophisticated tea bagger rube, nothing more.

 

[The Rabbi]

Gee, wonder why you have no rep points?

 

[NYcarbineer]

How 'bout unenforced regulation? Seems to me that there was supposed to be an environmental impact study done which was waived. And that there's some valve gizmo out there that might have shut down the flow after the accident IF... say, an environmental impact study found that it was necessary to have one on hand.

This oil spill did NOT happen due to a lack of sufficient regulation. It happened because the regulations in place were not sufficiently enforced.

If conservatives had their way those regulations wouldn't even be there. Conservatives got EXACTLY what they want when those regulations weren't stringently enforced -

LESS GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

That has always been a conservative battle cry. Well, this is what you get.

This, in fact, has been a costly experiment testing the hypothetical question:

What if Conservatives WERE in charge?

The reason that this question is hypothetical is because the Conservatives are not in charge and have not been in charge since 2006.

Every committee in both houses of congress has been chaired by a Democrat since the sessions beginning after the 2006 election.

If there are no regulations that are effective, it is the fault of the Democrat Party. If there are regulations, but they are not being enforced, it is the fault of the Democrat Party. You might want to review how much money has been directed to the Dems by the Oil Companies.

The Democrat Party might want to pull a Pontious Pilate, but oil don't wash off that easy.

I'm talking about you conservatives laughably now trying to deny that you've always wanted less regulation of industry.

Conservatives won't even agree with the president's drilling moratorium NOW for christ's sake.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And the environmentalists, that banned us from drilling in the antartic are also guilty of being a bunch of bafoons. They too can carry some of the blame. Ultra deep sea drilling, is crazy. It could be handled better on land

So Mr kerrylostnohio,

Isn't the environmentalists, your party

Yes, you’re obviously correct, you idiot – the all powerful, godlike environmentalists BANNED drilling in the Arctic, but they DID NOT BAN deep sea offshore drilling, which is much more risky to the environment (the current Gulf disaster, case in point). Yes, that makes perfect sense.

What’s even more pathetic is that dirt stupid Repug ass fucks like you actually believe this bullshit.

Anybody with half a brain knows that the oil & gas lobby in Washington is 100 times more powerful than any environment lobbyists. The MMS has been one of the most corrupt organizations in our government for the past 10 years, doing Big Oil's bidding at every fucking turn. Anybody who has done a minute amount of research on this topic knows this is the case, but you get all of your information from fucking Fox News and Sarah Palin.

You are an uninformed, uneducated, unsophisticated tea bagger rube, nothing more.

I've already asked them what environmentalist groups opposed land and shallow water drilling and yet favored deepwater drilling.

Haven't seen an answer to that yet, not surprisingly.

Their blame-it-on-the-greens argument is shit. Some of them are too stupid to know that; more sadly, some of them know that very well and still make the argument.

 

[namvet]

so where's the oil spill czar ?????

 

[Jack Fate]

All of you democrap party hacks are going to lose your power in November. That will be your punishment for supporting a congress and a president that are ruining America.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

How 'bout unenforced regulation? Seems to me that there was supposed to be an environmental impact study done which was waived. And that there's some valve gizmo out there that might have shut down the flow after the accident IF... say, an environmental impact study found that it was necessary to have one on hand.

This oil spill did NOT happen due to a lack of sufficient regulation. It happened because the regulations in place were not sufficiently enforced.

If conservatives had their way those regulations wouldn't even be there. Conservatives got EXACTLY what they want when those regulations weren't stringently enforced -

LESS GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

That has always been a conservative battle cry. Well, this is what you get.

This, in fact, has been a costly experiment testing the hypothetical question:

What if Conservatives WERE in charge?

The reason that this question is hypothetical is because the Conservatives are not in charge and have not been in charge since 2006.

Every committee in both houses of congress has been chaired by a Democrat since the sessions beginning after the 2006 election.

If there are no regulations that are effective, it is the fault of the Democrat Party. If there are regulations, but they are not being enforced, it is the fault of the Democrat Party. You might want to review how much money has been directed to the Dems by the Oil Companies.

The Democrat Party might want to pull a Pontious Pilate, but oil don't wash off that easy.

You’re avoiding the main point, you idiot – REPUGS BELIEVE IN LESS GOVERNMENT REGULATION, NOT MORE!

This is what you fascist assholes believe and you know it. You all repeat this tired bullshit ad nauseum over and over and over again. So, instead of admitting how wrong your fucked-up Repug worldview is, you try to change the subject to “Democrats have been asleep at the wheel”, etc.,.

Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, et al wrecked our economy due to the massive regulatory loopholes regarding the derivatives market, yet you fucking idiots believe that we need less government regulation, not more. BP causes a total fucking environmental disaster in the Gulf because MMS lets Big Oil do whatever the fuck they want, yet you fucking idiots believe that we need less government regulation, not more. Do you have ANY FUCKING CLUE how stupid you mother fuckers sound???

There is NO REGULATION NOW, so what the fuck are you idiot fascist fucks complaing about??

By the way, the evisceration of our environmental laws started with that mother fucker Bush. Read Crimes Against Nature by Robert Kennedy Jr. Bush is easily the worst President when it came to the environment that this country has ever had the misfortune of having.

You fucking Repug tea bagger idiots waste all of your time spewing hatred towards Obama and Democrats, yet you’re too fucking stupid to perform a little introspection and analyze your own misguided, fucked-up beliefs.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

Obama is blameless in this crisis. No major crisis ever gets handled perfectly by those in charge, but many get handled successfully. Only someone who believes Obama must be perfect would claim he's failing here.

Yes, you are absolutely right in pointing out how ridiculous conservatives look trying to blame this on insufficient regulation.

How 'bout unenforced regulation? Seems to me that there was supposed to be an environmental impact study done which was waived. And that there's some valve gizmo out there that might have shut down the flow after the accident IF... say, an environmental impact study found that it was necessary to have one on hand.

This oil spill did NOT happen due to a lack of sufficient regulation. It happened because the regulations in place were not sufficiently enforced.

This oil spill did NOT happen due to a lack of sufficient regulation. It happened because the regulations in place were not sufficiently enforced.

[/QUOTE]

80% wrong. There were some regulations that were not enforced, but many regulations were scrapped while Bush was President.

This is from a new Rolling Stone article, which bashes Obama big time on how he has handled the Gulf oil spill –

During the Bush years, the Minerals Management Service, the agency in the Interior Department charged with safeguarding the environment from the ravages of drilling, descended into rank criminality. According to reports by Interior's inspector general, MMS staffers were both literally and figuratively in bed with the oil industry. When agency staffers weren't joining industry employees for coke parties or trips to corporate ski chalets, they were having sex with oil-company officials. But it was American taxpayers and the environment that were getting screwed. MMS managers were awarded cash bonuses for pushing through risky offshore leases, auditors were ordered not to investigate shady deals, and safety staffers routinely accepted gifts from the industry, allegedly even allowing oil companies to fill in their own inspection reports in pencil before tracing over them in pen.

In reality, MMS had little way to assess the risk to wildlife, since a new policy instituted under Bush scrapped environmental analysis and fast-tracked permits. Declaring that oil companies themselves were "in the best position to determine the environmental effects" of drilling, the new rules pre-qualified deep-sea drillers to receive a "categorical exclusion" – an exemption from environmental review that was originally intended to prevent minor projects, like outhouses on hiking trails, from being tied up in red tape. "There's no analytical component to a cat-ex," says a former MMS scientist. "You have technicians, not scientists, that are simply checking boxes to make sure all the T's are crossed. They just cut and paste from previous approvals."

The Spill, The Scandal and the President | Rolling Stone Politics

So your boy Bush created the culture of corruption at MMS, which is the primary reason regulations were not being enforced. However, it is also Obama’s and Sec of Interior Ken Salazar’s fault for not doing nearly enough to clean up this corruption at MMS that Bush had allowed for 8 years.

And you are obviously wrong about effective regulations being in place, as my quote from the article above illustrates. This is the type of weak-ass, "do nothing" government you Repugs always wanted and now you have it. Congratulations.

 

[Kerry Won Ohio]

And the environmentalists, that banned us from drilling in the antartic are also guilty of being a bunch of bafoons. They too can carry some of the blame. Ultra deep sea drilling, is crazy. It could be handled better on land

So Mr kerrylostnohio,

Isn't the environmentalists, your party

Yes, you’re obviously correct, you idiot – the all powerful, godlike environmentalists BANNED drilling in the Arctic, but they DID NOT BAN deep sea offshore drilling, which is much more risky to the environment (the current Gulf disaster, case in point). Yes, that makes perfect sense.

What’s even more pathetic is that dirt stupid Repug ass fucks like you actually believe this bullshit.

Anybody with half a brain knows that the oil & gas lobby in Washington is 100 times more powerful than any environment lobbyists. The MMS has been one of the most corrupt organizations in our government for the past 10 years, doing Big Oil's bidding at every fucking turn. Anybody who has done a minute amount of research on this topic knows this is the case, but you get all of your information from fucking Fox News and Sarah Palin.

You are an uninformed, uneducated, unsophisticated tea bagger rube, nothing more.

I've already asked them what environmentalist groups opposed land and shallow water drilling and yet favored deepwater drilling.

Haven't seen an answer to that yet, not surprisingly.

Their blame-it-on-the-greens argument is shit. Some of them are too stupid to know that; more sadly, some of them know that very well and still make the argument.

Repugs/teabaggers/whatever the fuck you want to call them are the dumbest mother fuckers on the face of the planet, pure and simple.

"Environmentalists banned drilling in Alaska, but they allowed more dangerous offshore drilling!" ...Fucking idiots.

Obama is a corporatist Democrat controlled by Wall Street and Big Oil. Which is why it’s hilarious seeing all the tea bagger dumb fucks on this board call him a “socialist”. They obviously have no fucking clue what a "socialist" is. These stupid Repug assholes actually BELIEVE the shit Sarah Palin and Fox Noise says, it’s amazing!! The Repug fuckers on this board are the most uninformed, uneducated, unsophisticated idiots I’ve ever seen.

 

[Avatar4321]

What's the point of more government regulation if the Executive Branch refuses to enforce it?

 

[beowolfe]

That he is not all-powerful. Some had this notion that his simply being elected would solve all the worlds problems.

It's about time someone pointed this out to the far right. Because, I've gotta tell ya, they act as if they really believe that he's some sort of messiah.

 

[namvet]

That he is not all-powerful. Some had this notion that his simply being elected would solve all the worlds problems.

It's about time someone pointed this out to the far right. Because, I've gotta tell ya, they act as if they really believe that he's some sort of messiah.

and now that the far left liberal loons have takin him down from his cross he's been demoted to a common thief