What so great about Progressivism

[Mr.Fitnah]

Since we are going down that road what is it all about?

What is Obamas new system
Now that we have fundamentally changed America?

Please try to remain on topic and civil.
Thanks

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Well I guess Ill start.

Wiki

Progressivism is a political and social term that refers to ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in a statist or egalitarian direction for economic policies (government management) and liberal direction for social policies (personal choice). Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative ideologies.
In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, William H. Taft, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Lyndon Baines Johnson.[1]
Despite being associated with left-wing politics, the term "progressive" has also been used by groups not particularly left-wing. The Progressive Democrats in the Republic of Ireland took the name "progressivism" despite being considered centre-right, or classical liberal. The European Progressive Democrats was a mainly heterogeneous political group in the European Union. For most of the period from 1942-2003, the largest conservative party in Canada was the Progressive Conservative Party.

anyone else?

 

[Bfgrn]

Since we are going down that road what is it all about?

What is Obamas new system
Now that we have fundamentally changed America?

Please try to remain on topic and civil.
Thanks

Change occurs over decades, not days...

We are now at the dead end Reaganomics led us down...

America was founded on a VERY progressive idea...especially in Thomas Jefferson's day.. a world of kings and the "right of kings"...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...


The ONLY reason America has led the world in anything was because of progressive thinking...

The ancestors of conservatives resisted "change" ...they supported King George...


The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

 

[VaYank5150]

The ancestors of conservatives resisted "change" ...they supported King George...

Hmmmm....would that make them "unpatriotic"?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

corruption and deliberate fraud has brought us to where we are, not a failure of capitalism

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

There is no end to new wants , the problem is now, government being the new giver.
That should make you feel like a real man.

 

[Bfgrn]

The ancestors of conservatives resisted "change" ...they supported King George...

Hmmmm....would that make them "unpatriotic"?

No, our founders were traitors...

 

[VaYank5150]

The ancestors of conservatives resisted "change" ...they supported King George...

Hmmmm....would that make them "unpatriotic"?

No, our founders were traitors...

i.e., un-patriotic to their King?

 

[Bfgrn]

corruption and deliberate fraud has brought us to where we are, not a failure of capitalism

It is a DIRECT failure of unregulated corporations and subsidized capitalism...the rest is human nature...that never changes...

 

[Bfgrn]

Hmmmm....would that make them "unpatriotic"?

No, our founders were traitors...

i.e., un-patriotic to their King?

Yep!...but not the conservatives, they were loyal lobster-backs...lol

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

corruption and deliberate fraud has brought us to where we are, not a failure of capitalism

It is a DIRECT failure of unregulated corporations and subsidized capitalism...the rest is human nature...that never changes...

So we need government control over everything?

 

[Bfgrn]

corruption and deliberate fraud has brought us to where we are, not a failure of capitalism

It is a DIRECT failure of unregulated corporations and subsidized capitalism...the rest is human nature...that never changes...

So we need government control over everything?

No, but we DO need sensible government regulations that protect citizens from corporations and banks that use subsidized capitalism to their benefit at the expense of the people...

 

[Thinman]

I have tried really hard to understand liberalism, even to the point of trying to think like one. They seem to be empathetic elitists and the (so called) downtrodden who want to be cared for, while conservatives demand personal responsibility from all.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

It is a DIRECT failure of unregulated corporations and subsidized capitalism...the rest is human nature...that never changes...

So we need government control over everything?

No, but we DO need sensible government regulations that protect citizens from corporations and banks that use subsidized capitalism to their benefit at the expense of the people...

Why not end the corporate welfare ?

 

[VaYank5150]

I have tried really hard to understand liberalism, even to the point of trying to think like one. They seem to be empathetic elitists and the (so called) downtrodden who want to be cared for, while conservatives demand personal responsibility from all.

Sorry for the delay. I would have responded sooner, but I had to my coffee off of my monitor. So, does this "personal responsibility" extend to all things? Like for instance, doing due diligence and having sound judgment BEFORE invading a sovereign nation that poses no immediate threat to the United States? Just asking...

 

[007]

So we need government control over everything?

No, but we DO need sensible government regulations that protect citizens from corporations and banks that use subsidized capitalism to their benefit at the expense of the people...

Why not end the corporate welfare ?

Why not end the international welfare?

 

[Bfgrn]

So we need government control over everything?

No, but we DO need sensible government regulations that protect citizens from corporations and banks that use subsidized capitalism to their benefit at the expense of the people...

Why not end the corporate welfare ?

I agree...institute a TRUE free market...so does that means you understand and support cap & trade?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

No, but we DO need sensible government regulations that protect citizens from corporations and banks that use subsidized capitalism to their benefit at the expense of the people...

Why not end the corporate welfare ?

I agree...institute a TRUE free market...so does that means you understand and support cap & trade?

No cap and trade it destruction of production.
How about smaller government , and self reliance .

 

[xsited1]

Since we are going down that road what is it all about?

What is Obamas new system
Now that we have fundamentally changed America?

Please try to remain on topic and civil.
Thanks

Change occurs over decades, not days...

We are now at the dead end Reaganomics led us down...

America was founded on a VERY progressive idea...especially in Thomas Jefferson's day.. a world of kings and the "right of kings"...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...


The ONLY reason America has led the world in anything was because of progressive thinking...

The ancestors of conservatives resisted "change" ...they supported King George...


The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

You can't say Reaganomic led us down a dead end because his policies did spur growth. However, he was still a Keynesian which has its own problems. And I wouldn't say Thomas Jefferson was a 'progressive' since that can imply that he was a Statist, which of course is incorrect. He was more like a classical Liberal. It's important to point out that the Founders mainly wanted to protect people from government.

Your quote from the Constitution is exactly right. However, some use the government to enslave the people, whether they are Republican or Democrat, so there must be a balance. The quote from Mark Twain is okay, but it's too black and white. There are radicals that bring a country to a Dictatorship, which can never be good and there are conservatives who prevent growth. Again, it's a balance.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Since we are going down that road what is it all about?

What is Obamas new system
Now that we have fundamentally changed America?

Please try to remain on topic and civil.
Thanks

Change occurs over decades, not days...

We are now at the dead end Reaganomics led us down...

America was founded on a VERY progressive idea...especially in Thomas Jefferson's day.. a world of kings and the "right of kings"...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...


The ONLY reason America has led the world in anything was because of progressive thinking...

The ancestors of conservatives resisted "change" ...they supported King George...


The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

You can't say Reaganomic led us down a dead end because his policies did spur growth. However, he was still a Keynesian which has its own problems. And I wouldn't say Thomas Jefferson was a 'progressive' since that can imply that he was a Statist, which of course is incorrect. He was more like a classical Liberal. It's important to point out that the Founders mainly wanted to protect people from government.

Your quote from the Constitution is exactly right. However, some use the government to enslave the people, whether they are Republican or Democrat, so there must be a balance. The quote from Mark Twain is okay, but it's too black and white. There are radicals that bring a country to a Dictatorship, which can never be good and there are conservatives who prevent growth. Again, it's a balance.

This is what happens when one wing has the schools and the media benieth it ,the country cannot fly straight.
Which is where we are now