What purpose does God Serve?

[PeterS]

The soul is ageless, sexless, nonphysical, possessed of the divine spark of the Goddess and God: Energy. Each manifestation of the soul (ie., each body it inhabits on earth) is different. No two bodies or lives are the same. If this wasnt so, the soul would stagnate. The sex, race, place of birth, economic class, and every other individuality of the soul is determined by actions in past lives and the lessons necessary to the present. This is of utmost importance in my thought: we decide the lay of our lives. There is no god or curse or mysterious force of fate upon which we can thrust the responsibility for the trials in our lives. We decide what we need to learn in order to evolve, and then, it is hoped, during incarnation, work toward this progress. If not, we regress into darkness...

Jamie

There's no such thing as a "soul." There is consciousness, an illusion created by our brains, a shared illusion among those of us with human brains.

I chose to use the word, "Soul" because thats what most people can make of it. I believe in energy.. we are nothing but a mass of energy put together. Perhaps I will post my theory called "The intellect and consciousness of energy" if you like you can take a look at it and let me know what you think.

Jamie

E=MC2. All matter contains energy. So what. Why would awareness derived from chemical functions grant us anymore soul then, say, the sun from which the chemicals for life begun? And what about when life ends and those chemicals breakdown and disperse. Bye, Bye soul? Must, after all there would be nothing to bind the collective energy together. So was there ever a soul? How do we know?

Supernaturalism is bound together by logical fallacies. How is your "Intellect and Consciousness of Energy" any different?

 

[The Illusion]

There's no such thing as a "soul." There is consciousness, an illusion created by our brains, a shared illusion among those of us with human brains.

I chose to use the word, "Soul" because thats what most people can make of it. I believe in energy.. we are nothing but a mass of energy put together. Perhaps I will post my theory called "The intellect and consciousness of energy" if you like you can take a look at it and let me know what you think.

Jamie

E=MC2. All matter contains energy. So what. Why would awareness derived from chemical functions grant us anymore soul then, say, the sun from which the chemicals for life begun? And what about when life ends and those chemicals breakdown and disperse. Bye, Bye soul? Must, after all there would be nothing to bind the collective energy together. So was there ever a soul? How do we know?

Supernaturalism is bound together by logical fallacies. How is your "Intellect and Consciousness of Energy" any different?

It's not. Its just another theory that connects with me and my lifestyle...its what I believe. Its my religion

Jamie

 

[Intense]

What purpose does God serve? ......Creator-Governor-Teacher-Guide-Healer-Companion-Rectifier to name a few. By what definition or description of God would you seek to limit? Why would you even want to? What is behind Vision, Purpose, Discovery, Invention. Where is solution born? Remedy? Why is perceived Justice, or Truth, so vital to us as individuals? When you witness cause and effect play out, and you see the outcome unfold rationally, What do you learn from it? Are You a better person for the experience?

I ask you, What purpose does Conscience serve, if any? Do you accept it or deny it? Embrace it or battle it? Could it be that acting on conscience, nurtures, strengthens, and develops the Individual being? Is it more important to belong, or to achieve, accomplish, advance, or what have you? Why is God such a Threat to the Totalitarian Statist? Rivalry? Control? Why is Individual Voice such a thorn to the powers that be? Search the Prophets?

I ask you what purpose does consensus serve? What place should it have in Science?

 

[PeterS]

What purpose does God serve? ......Creator-Governor-Teacher-Guide-Healer-Companion-Rectifier to name a few. By what definition or description of God would you seek to limit? Why would you even want to? What is behind Vision, Purpose, Discovery, Invention. Where is solution born? Remedy? Why is perceived Justice, or Truth, so vital to us as individuals? When you witness cause and effect play out, and you see the outcome unfold rationally, What do you learn from it? Are You a better person for the experience?

I ask you, What purpose does Conscience serve, if any? Do you accept it or deny it? Embrace it or battle it? Could it be that acting on conscience, nurtures, strengthens, and develops the Individual being? Is it more important to belong, or to achieve, accomplish, advance, or what have you? Why is God such a Threat to the Totalitarian Statist? Rivalry? Control? Why is Individual Voice such a thorn to the powers that be? Search the Prophets?

I ask you what purpose does consensus serve? What place should it have in Science?

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

 

[PeterS]

I chose to use the word, "Soul" because thats what most people can make of it. I believe in energy.. we are nothing but a mass of energy put together. Perhaps I will post my theory called "The intellect and consciousness of energy" if you like you can take a look at it and let me know what you think.

Jamie

E=MC2. All matter contains energy. So what. Why would awareness derived from chemical functions grant us anymore soul then, say, the sun from which the chemicals for life begun? And what about when life ends and those chemicals breakdown and disperse. Bye, Bye soul? Must, after all there would be nothing to bind the collective energy together. So was there ever a soul? How do we know?

Supernaturalism is bound together by logical fallacies. How is your "Intellect and Consciousness of Energy" any different?

It's not. Its just another theory that connects with me and my lifestyle...its what I believe. Its my religion

Jamie

Very good. You can't argue with honesty...

 

[Intense]

What purpose does God serve? ......Creator-Governor-Teacher-Guide-Healer-Companion-Rectifier to name a few. By what definition or description of God would you seek to limit? Why would you even want to? What is behind Vision, Purpose, Discovery, Invention. Where is solution born? Remedy? Why is perceived Justice, or Truth, so vital to us as individuals? When you witness cause and effect play out, and you see the outcome unfold rationally, What do you learn from it? Are You a better person for the experience?

I ask you, What purpose does Conscience serve, if any? Do you accept it or deny it? Embrace it or battle it? Could it be that acting on conscience, nurtures, strengthens, and develops the Individual being? Is it more important to belong, or to achieve, accomplish, advance, or what have you? Why is God such a Threat to the Totalitarian Statist? Rivalry? Control? Why is Individual Voice such a thorn to the powers that be? Search the Prophets?

I ask you what purpose does consensus serve? What place should it have in Science?

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...[/QUOTE]

Consensus is a collective perspective brought by compromise, be it valid/invalid, justified/unjustified, to what ever level or degree, risking or sacrificing accuracy for universal agreement. Science was around long before consensus.

Conscience may allow for acceptable behavior in groups, as one of many functions, yet it is so much more than that. It exists and is recognized in Inalienable Right. It is the sole property of each and every one of us, inside and outside of the group. Conscience is not centered on the group, but the individual. Madison wrote on it in "Memorial and Remonstrance". He borrowed it from John Locke. Thoreau wrote of it, in relation to choosing it, over a misguided majority.

 

[The Illusion]

What purpose does God serve? ......Creator-Governor-Teacher-Guide-Healer-Companion-Rectifier to name a few. By what definition or description of God would you seek to limit? Why would you even want to? What is behind Vision, Purpose, Discovery, Invention. Where is solution born? Remedy? Why is perceived Justice, or Truth, so vital to us as individuals? When you witness cause and effect play out, and you see the outcome unfold rationally, What do you learn from it? Are You a better person for the experience?

I ask you, What purpose does Conscience serve, if any? Do you accept it or deny it? Embrace it or battle it? Could it be that acting on conscience, nurtures, strengthens, and develops the Individual being? Is it more important to belong, or to achieve, accomplish, advance, or what have you? Why is God such a Threat to the Totalitarian Statist? Rivalry? Control? Why is Individual Voice such a thorn to the powers that be? Search the Prophets?

I ask you what purpose does consensus serve? What place should it have in Science?

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

Consensus is a collective perspective brought by compromise, be it valid/invalid, justified/unjustified, to what ever level or degree, risking or sacrificing accuracy for universal agreement. Science was around long before consensus.

Conscience may allow for acceptable behavior in groups, as one of many functions, yet it is so much more than that. It exists and is recognized in Inalienable Right. It is the sole property of each and every one of us, inside and outside of the group. Conscience is not centered on the group, but the individual. Madison wrote on it in "Memorial and Remonstrance". He borrowed it from John Locke. Thoreau wrote of it, in relation to choosing it, over a misguided majority.[/QUOTE]

Where would morals and mores fit into this then...moral conscious or immoral conscious?

Jamie

 

[Intense]

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

Consensus is a collective perspective brought by compromise, be it valid/invalid, justified/unjustified, to what ever level or degree, risking or sacrificing accuracy for universal agreement. Science was around long before consensus.

Conscience may allow for acceptable behavior in groups, as one of many functions, yet it is so much more than that. It exists and is recognized in Inalienable Right. It is the sole property of each and every one of us, inside and outside of the group. Conscience is not centered on the group, but the individual. Madison wrote on it in "Memorial and Remonstrance". He borrowed it from John Locke. Thoreau wrote of it, in relation to choosing it, over a misguided majority.

Where would morals and mores fit into this then...moral conscious or immoral conscious?

Jamie[/QUOTE]

I think that morals come from the result of what conscience experiences, what are morals if not the do's and don'ts we learn from experience as we develop? What does your inner self tell you? ....What is a more?

 

[The Illusion]

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

Consensus is a collective perspective brought by compromise, be it valid/invalid, justified/unjustified, to what ever level or degree, risking or sacrificing accuracy for universal agreement. Science was around long before consensus.

Conscience may allow for acceptable behavior in groups, as one of many functions, yet it is so much more than that. It exists and is recognized in Inalienable Right. It is the sole property of each and every one of us, inside and outside of the group. Conscience is not centered on the group, but the individual. Madison wrote on it in "Memorial and Remonstrance". He borrowed it from John Locke. Thoreau wrote of it, in relation to choosing it, over a misguided majority.

Where would morals and mores fit into this then...moral conscious or immoral conscious?

Jamie

I think that morals come from the result of what conscience experiences, what are morals if not the do's and don'ts we learn from experience as we develop? What does your inner self tell you? ....What is a more?[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU!!!!! Ive debated that for days with people on other forums and NOBODY agrees with me and finally here comes you that does! You just made my day!

Jamie

 

[manifold]

To me the question isn't "what purpose does God serve" but rather "How do I serve You, God"

Not a popular question, I know, but when you have a relationship with Him, when you realize what He has done for you, there just isn't any other question.

Interesting.

So I gather that posting on this here messageboard is among your chosen ways to serve God. How's that working out for you?

lovin it, get to share how awesome He is, focus on the Scriptures at times, post Christian music and praise, got some fellowship in certain places, and MOST important, it really helps me learn how to love people that are pretty much out to criticize me, the whole thing rocks!

How's it going for you?

No complaints.

 

[PeterS]

What purpose does God serve? ......Creator-Governor-Teacher-Guide-Healer-Companion-Rectifier to name a few. By what definition or description of God would you seek to limit? Why would you even want to? What is behind Vision, Purpose, Discovery, Invention. Where is solution born? Remedy? Why is perceived Justice, or Truth, so vital to us as individuals? When you witness cause and effect play out, and you see the outcome unfold rationally, What do you learn from it? Are You a better person for the experience?

I ask you, What purpose does Conscience serve, if any? Do you accept it or deny it? Embrace it or battle it? Could it be that acting on conscience, nurtures, strengthens, and develops the Individual being? Is it more important to belong, or to achieve, accomplish, advance, or what have you? Why is God such a Threat to the Totalitarian Statist? Rivalry? Control? Why is Individual Voice such a thorn to the powers that be? Search the Prophets?

I ask you what purpose does consensus serve? What place should it have in Science?

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

Consensus is a collective perspective brought by compromise, be it valid/invalid, justified/unjustified, to what ever level or degree, risking or sacrificing accuracy for universal agreement. Science was around long before consensus.

So, your question was to purpose; Consensus agreement gives order and meaning to science. Suppose you have 1000 scientists working on 1000 theories and when each finishes they tuck them away and work on 1000 more. You argue that this is science but but it has no form, meaning, or application. There is no purpose other than self gratification and if the purpose of science is 1000 self gratified scientists than it is a fairly useless pursuit. To gain purpose it has to be exposed to peer review and only with consensus agreement does it gain purpose. And how have we scarified accuracy? Do you think a plurality of scientists would only accept base 10 mathematics if it were inaccurate? The opposite is true because consensus agreement requires that each use scientific method and critical thinking to examine the theory and agree on the principles. There is no compromise nor sacrifice of accuracy but instead a plurality confirmation that the theory true.

Conscience may allow for acceptable behavior in groups, as one of many functions, yet it is so much more than that. It exists and is recognized in Inalienable Right. It is the sole property of each and every one of us, inside and outside of the group. Conscience is not centered on the group, but the individual. Madison wrote on it in "Memorial and Remonstrance". He borrowed it from John Locke. Thoreau wrote of it, in relation to choosing it, over a misguided majority.

Locke's reference was to Consciousness and was in respect to 'knowing' ones thoughts and actions. It is a intuitive philosophical position with respect to the individual as their own sovereign. It is also based on irrationalism and you should understand that Lockes work largely breached the period between the Dark Ages and the Age of Reason so he was taking irrational beliefs and transcending them to rational philosophical beliefs or absolutes. But argue 'truth' to Consciousness without critical thought and there is no way to know if your choice is true or misguided. You may well have a right to an intuitive belief but it doesn't separate you from the misguided masses.

---to edit and add to this last statement: 'Thou shalt not Kill' is regarded as a moral absolute. From the perspective of the irrational it is an absolute because it is a commandment of God the sovereign. Locke however would view this rationally from the perspective of the individual as their own sovereign where, if, each individual adhered to the moral principle peace and social tranquility would prevail. The irrational obeys because they have surrendered their sovereignty whereas the rational obeys because it insures their sovereignty.

You should also be careful when invoking Locke because Liberalism, Marxism, and Socialism all find their roots in his philosophical teachings...

 

[vincubus]

Defintion of god from Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online


Main Entry: 1god
Pronunciation: \ˈgäd also ˈgȯd\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German got god
Date: before 12th century
1capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe bChristian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship ; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3: a person or thing of supreme value
4: a powerful ruler



What is the purpose of God? That is a question an atheists will pose. God has no purpose. God is not a mistake!! God is the basis of everything a believer believes in.

Of course, if there were no Gods, there would be no religion and no believers. Just a bunch of heathens try to make sense of this poor non-religion based world as if they could. A world born of ignorance and forever shrouded in the ignorance of God.

Is that really such a bad thing?

'god" is that which means the most to you. it is the most unchanging. we are all or most of us, egotists. we mean the most to oiurselves. therefore, we are our own god. oiur god(s) and/or goddess(es) are an extension of our selves.

religion is something else entirely. it is quantified spirituality.

 

[Avatar4321]

If humans are capable of doing things on our own....creating technology...creating medical "savior" procedures....Performing miracles using medicine and other techniques....etc

What is the purpose of God? In any religion?

Jamie

What makes you think we did any of those things on our own?

Did we create the metal ore that goes into our machines?

Did we create the materials used in our buildings?

Did we create the laws of nature by which these things are accomplished?

Did we create our minds? our hands?

Exactly when have we done anything "on our own"?

Can we make ourselves immortal? Can we give ourselves power?

I think it's rather naive to assume we have done much of anything.

 

[vincubus]

If humans are capable of doing things on our own....creating technology...creating medical "savior" procedures....Performing miracles using medicine and other techniques....etc

What is the purpose of God? In any religion?

Jamie

What makes you think we did any of those things on our own?

Did we create the metal ore that goes into our machines?

Did we create the materials used in our buildings?

Did we create the laws of nature by which these things are accomplished?

Did we create our minds? our hands?

Exactly when have we done anything "on our own"?

Can we make ourselves immortal? Can we give ourselves power?

I think it's rather naive to assume we have done much of anything.

you wish to claim those things to have been created by your god? fine.....then prove your allegation. without using the bible, but using stand alone, objective, universally recognized proof.

 

[Avatar4321]

Religions need something they can manipulate to serve their purposes and never have to back up with real evidence because it's all about faith and m-y-s-t-e-r-y and you're big party pooper if you question any of that.

Which of course is why we are taught to ask so we can recieve, seek so we can find, knock so it can be opened unto us. This is why we are taught to seek after good and uplifting thing. Because We aren't supposed to question anything. We arent supposed to learn. We are supposed to just blindly believe.

Do you know what a "mystery" is in the religious sense? A mystery is truth that must be learned directly from God. It's not something that is unknowable. Quite the opposite. It is very knowable, if you seek the answer. Because God will show it to you.

Unfortunately, at some point society changed the definition of the word. So the meaning is lost to so many. But the mysteries of the universe can be known to those who seek the answers. The things of God can be known by those who seek God. He can show them to people. Ive never understood why people seem to think we should just be able to reason out the things of God rather than just simply going to Him and learning directly. It makes no sense.

I've always had a dim understanding of the need for belief in a god, I've just never understood why anyone had to make a club out of believing in a god or gods. Seems like it should be a private thing. If you need peer pressure to keep your faith strong it must not be based on anything very tenuous.

When you understand the plan of happiness, when you feel the love of God, you feel compelled to share it. You want everyone to be just as happy. Because the joy of the Lord is Eternal. It is Endless.

God is the great teacher. He teaches us what we need to do to be happy and what will make society peaceful. Sadly, few societies have ever actually followed those guidelines. But there will be one in the last days. In fact, it may be sooner than many think.

 

[Avatar4321]

Actually I am God. I'm just very modest.

Modest huh? Must be since you seem to think your useless. But hey, whatever you want to think.

 

[Avatar4321]

Another fucking stupid, contrived, trolling thread.

Even stupid threads can be turned into interesting conversations if given a chance.

 

[Avatar4321]

A consensus agreement gives order to Science. Conscience allows for acceptable behavior in groups. Both have purpose and place...

Consensus isnt science. Science is fact. Pure, sterile. It doesnt matter what people think of it, it simply is what it is.

The problem is people keep trying to pass off opinions as science. They confuse opinions, even well informed ones, with actual fact.

 

[Avatar4321]

you wish to claim those things to have been created by your god? fine.....then prove your allegation. without using the bible, but using stand alone, objective, universally recognized proof.

Im not claiming anything. Im pointing out the fundamental flaw in the reasoning behind the original post. It's circular reasoning. God is useless because we can do things on our own. We can do things on our own because God is useless.

As for proving anything, you need to tell me, what exactly is provable? There is practically nothing provable in this entire universe. Prove to me the sun will rise tomorrow? You can't. Sure chances are it's going to rise, but just because it's happened everyday in the last billion years doesnt mean it's going to happen tomorrow. It can't be proved. Almost nothing can be provide.

Now if you want to examine evidence, that's a completely different story. There is plenty of evidence for God. You may not find it credible, but that doesnt mean the evidence is not there. I've heard the whispers of the Holy Spirit. I've felt the power of God. My experience is evidence as much as any other witnesses testimony is evidence. You may not find the evidence credible. But it's evidence nonetheless. And that is the main problem. There is no universal standard for credibility. What's credible to one person isn't to another. Which is exactly why it's foolish to simply take someones word for it instead of thinking it out yourself and going to God to learn from Him. Unfortunately, few people actually put in the effort to do this.

You want evidence God created your brain? look at your brain. Look at the complexity behind it. look at you hand and the complex design it takes just to move your fingers back and forth. Look at all the internal regulatory systems of your body. All acting just right so you can survive and move and do things.

I understand you think yourself intelligent, wiser, and superior to those who believe. Seems to me though that there are alot of your premises you dont question. You learn by questioning premises. If you cant see your premises or recognize them, then you are very limited in what you can learn.

 

[BrokenAngel]

If humans are capable of doing things on our own....creating technology...creating medical "savior" procedures....Performing miracles using medicine and other techniques....etc

What is the purpose of God? In any religion?

Jamie

What makes you think we did any of those things on our own?

Did we create the metal ore that goes into our machines?

Did we create the materials used in our buildings?

Did we create the laws of nature by which these things are accomplished?

Did we create our minds? our hands?

Exactly when have we done anything "on our own"?

Can we make ourselves immortal? Can we give ourselves power?

I think it's rather naive to assume we have done much of anything.

you wish to claim those things to have been created by your god? fine.....then prove your allegation. without using the bible, but using stand alone, objective, universally recognized proof.

You should watch a documentary made by Ben Stein about the theory of Intelligent Design. This is not a religious video but rather a simple look at what happens if a scientist, teacher, theorist, or anyone, even of a high ranking in the scientific community mentions that they feel the universe had to be designed rather than random. There is a reason you can stand there and ask for universally recognized proof and know you aren't likely to get any. It is a bit of an eye opener as to the level of descrimination that goes against anything that isn't "mainstream" in America.

Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed (2008)

Again, its just worth a watch.