What political leader said: We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic

While you have anointed yourself to SPEAK for all PEOPLE, you are still only ONE PERSON!
Unlike you Ed, I did not call you a liar
Unlike you, I didn't lie.

Oh yes Ed, that old liberal logic. Hey Ed, it is your story and you can tell anyway you want

So I misplaced "marks is a lie
But, you fabricating an entire quote that did not exist is not a lie
I don't believe you lied; you are not that bright. It was a simple mistake from someone simple

:eusa_whistle:

Of course, I can't blame you for thinking the wrong things- After all, you think Papa Obama is doing a good job unlike the rest of the US


Ed, this avoidance of yours to cover for the fact you can not address the issues is getting old
I believed you have milked it for all it is worth (which is not much)
 
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Play dumb rather than admit you were wrong, exactly as Hitler instructed his fellow CON$ to do.

You didn't "forget" a quotation mark, you changed my words and then put YOUR wording in "quotation" marks as if I said it.

February 17, 2010
RUSH: This is how the OSS described Hitler's psychology: "His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong, people will believe a Big Lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

Ed

back to this? Where did I say I was not wrong?
Sure Ed, let's look at what we had

First:
" any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

Second: move " mark

any "term of endearment" can be an insult ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?


See how much better it flows Ed and they are your words
Just keep lying, lies always score points with CON$ervoFascists.

Do you really think people are so stupid that no one can see how you changed my words? Moving the quotation mark does not change the fact that you changed the order of the words, which changes the whole context of what I said.

Again, you are a perfect example of why no honest person ever believes a quote coming from CON$.

Unlike you Ed, I did not call you a liar
Unlike you, I didn't lie.

Oh yes Ed, that old liberal logic

So I misplaced "marks is a lie
But, you fabricating an entire quote that did not exist is not a lie
I don't believe you lied; you are not that bright. It was a simple mistake from someone simple

:eusa_whistle:

Of course, I can't blame you for thinking the wrong things- After all, you think Papa Obama is doing a good job unlike the rest of the US


Ed, this is avoidance of yours to answer is getting old
I believed you have milked it for all it is worth (which is not much)
Changing my words and then putting them in quotation marks as if I said them is, in fact, a lie.

This dumb act of yours to answer is getting old
I believed you have milked it for all it is worth (which is not much).

And there you are again arrogantly reading minds and speaking for others. :cuckoo:
 
Ed

back to this? Where did I say I was not wrong?
Sure Ed, let's look at what we had

First:
" any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

Second: move " mark

any "term of endearment" can be an insult ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?


See how much better it flows Ed and they are your words
Just keep lying, lies always score points with CON$ervoFascists.

Do you really think people are so stupid that no one can see how you changed my words? Moving the quotation mark does not change the fact that you changed the order of the words, which changes the whole context of what I said.

Again, you are a perfect example of why no honest person ever believes a quote coming from CON$.

Unlike you, I didn't lie.

Oh yes Ed, that old liberal logic

So I misplaced "marks is a lie
But, you fabricating an entire quote that did not exist is not a lie
I don't believe you lied; you are not that bright. It was a simple mistake from someone simple

:eusa_whistle:

Of course, I can't blame you for thinking the wrong things- After all, you think Papa Obama is doing a good job unlike the rest of the US


Ed, this is avoidance of yours to answer is getting old
I believed you have milked it for all it is worth (which is not much)
Changing my words and then putting them in quotation marks as if I said them is, in fact, a lie.

This dumb act of yours to answer is getting old
I believed you have milked it for all it is worth (which is not much).

And there you are again arrogantly reading minds and speaking for others. :cuckoo:



What do you call it when you make up an entire quote that does not exist- hope and change?
:lol:

Using my words about milking, lack of originality does not speak well of your intellect
:eusa_whistle:

Reading minds? Well with yours that would not be hard
But, poor Ed a statement of opinion on my part is just that
You may perhaps feel it is "reading minds" because my opinion is on the mark

Sorry Ed, I can not help if my words speak the ugly truth of your mind.
It is not mind reading; just an educated guess
:lol:


If you mean the part about the rest of the US- glad you asked
No that is based on that far right wing MSM CNN that tends to oversample democrats in their polls:

See:

52% Say Obama Doesn't Deserve Second Term

A new CNN poll contains some troubling numbers for President Obama. Among Americans -- and those registered to vote -- 52% believe Obama does not deserve a second term, while 44% think he does. A paltry 4% don't have an opinion on the matter.


Of course, in a strange way it is all starting to look "familiar"
But on steroids
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Of course the good news:

Carter, smiling- won't be remembered as the pariah of Democratic Party
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Thanks for bringing it up
Would it be unkind of me to tell you that fell right into that one Ed?
:lol:

To show you that I am not a bad person and let you save some face
I will let you have the last word on this since you seem to enjoy the last post
Plus, it is late and there is nothing new here


Ed, it is almost like a Greek tragedy
Post, it will show I am right on this point
Don't post and you won't have the last word and the world will be denied your words of wisdom

At times like this; it is best to think "what would Papa Obama do?"
:eusa_think:

Goodnight Ed, my angry and confused friend
 
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An understanding of the political climate in Germany post WW I, explains the quote in the OP in context. The points listed in the link have been used by the RW fringe (see, above) to prove what came to be called Fascism is leftist movement.
Anyone who has done any reading of this time understands that the NAZI movement was Nationalisitic first and foremorst, and reference by Hitler to socialism was a populist strategy used to garner support from the suffering of the German workers.
The link attributed to Hitler was dated from the period before the Reichstag elections of 1928, and much like today those pushing their agenda pre-eleciton cycle appealed to as many voters as possible; Hitler was evil but few doubt his political will.
The Socialists Party was gaining a large following of workers in the mid 1920's and in fact in 1928 (May) so strengthened their numbers in the Reichstag they had to be included in the Government. The Nationalists lost heavily.
[ I might go on, but the willfully ignorant will not be moved to think, so why bother. Those interested in current events ought to read some history, there are lessons to be learned. Aguments about economic practice in a totalitarian state is what it is, i.e. the leadership in such a government says and does what it needs to, to maintain power ].




Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous.



It also shows what happens when the State has too much power
The problem is Statism; one can not argue that the Nazi were for real "free markets"

The fundamental problem is the overbearing intrusion of the gov't. History has shown us that time after time. It is, if you will. the "nature of the beast".

Regardless or what political jargon one wants to put on it, it is the "size" of the gov't.
Dismantling of the free market system by any kind of gov't will always end in the destruction of individual economic and personal freedom.

No matter how good the intentions. It is cliche but true, the "road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unless, of course you want to argue that the left will get it right this time

Good luck with that
:eusa_angel:

"Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous."
Because NT says so, it must be true? Is the colon ( : ) misused in the quote above a subtle hint that he is full of shit?

by Dr. Paul M. Johnson (Dept. Poli Sci, Auburn University)
Fascism
A class of political ideologies (and historical political regimes) that takes its name from the movement led by Benito Mussolini that took power in Italy in 1922. Mussolini's ideas and practices directly and indirectly influenced political movements in Germany (especially the Nazi Party), Spain (Franco's Falange Party), France, Argentina, and many other European and non-European countries right up to the present day.

The different "fascist" movements and regimes have varied considerably in their specific goals and practices, but they are usually said to be characterized by several common features:

1.Militant nationalism, proclaiming the racial and cultural superiority of the dominant ethnic group and asserting that group's inherent right to a special dominant position over other peoples in both the domestic and the international order

2.The adulation of a single charismatic national leader said to possess near superhuman abilities and to be the truest representation of the ideals of the national culture, whose will should therefore literally be law

3.Emphasis on the absolute necessity of complete national unity, which is said to require a very powerful and disciplined state organization (especially an extensive secret police and censorship apparatus), unlimited by constitutional restrictions or legal requirements and under the absolute domination of the leader and his political movement or party

4.Militant anti-Communism coupled with the belief in an extreme and imminent threat to national security from powerful and determined Communist forces both inside and outside the country

5.Contempt for democratic socialism, democratic capitalism, liberalism, and all forms of individualism as weak, degenerate, divisive and ineffective ideologies leading only to mediocrity or national suicide

6.Glorification of physical strength, fanatical personal loyalty to the leader, and general combat-readiness as the ultimate personal virtues

7.A sophisticated apparatus for systematically propagandizing the population into accepting these values and ideas through skilled manipulation of the mass media, which are totally monopolized by the regime once the movement comes to power

8.A propensity toward pursuing a militaristic and aggressive foreign policy

9.Strict regulation and control of the economy by the regime through some form of corporatist economic planning in which the legal forms of private ownership of industry are nominally preserved but in which both workers and capitalists are obliged to submit their plans and objectives to the most detailed state regulation and extensive wage and price controls, which are designed to insure the priority of the political leadership's objectives over the private economic interests of the citizenry. Therefore under fascism most of the more important markets are allowed to operate only in a non-competitive, cartelized, and governmentally "rigged" fashion.
 
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An understanding of the political climate in Germany post WW I, explains the quote in the OP in context. The points listed in the link have been used by the RW fringe (see, above) to prove what came to be called Fascism is leftist movement.
Anyone who has done any reading of this time understands that the NAZI movement was Nationalisitic first and foremorst, and reference by Hitler to socialism was a populist strategy used to garner support from the suffering of the German workers.
The link attributed to Hitler was dated from the period before the Reichstag elections of 1928, and much like today those pushing their agenda pre-eleciton cycle appealed to as many voters as possible; Hitler was evil but few doubt his political will.
The Socialists Party was gaining a large following of workers in the mid 1920's and in fact in 1928 (May) so strengthened their numbers in the Reichstag they had to be included in the Government. The Nationalists lost heavily.
[ I might go on, but the willfully ignorant will not be moved to think, so why bother. Those interested in current events ought to read some history, there are lessons to be learned. Aguments about economic practice in a totalitarian state is what it is, i.e. the leadership in such a government says and does what it needs to, to maintain power ].




Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous.



It also shows what happens when the State has too much power
The problem is Statism; one can not argue that the Nazi were for real "free markets"

The fundamental problem is the overbearing intrusion of the gov't. History has shown us that time after time. It is, if you will. the "nature of the beast".

Regardless or what political jargon one wants to put on it, it is the "size" of the gov't.
Dismantling of the free market system by any kind of gov't will always end in the destruction of individual economic and personal freedom.

No matter how good the intentions. It is cliche but true, the "road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unless, of course you want to argue that the left will get it right this time

Good luck with that
:eusa_angel:

"Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous."
Because NT says so, it must be true? Is the colon ( : ) misused in the quote above a subtle hint that he is full of shit?

by Dr. Paul M. Johnson (Dept. Poli Sci, Auburn University)
Fascism
A class of political ideologies (and historical political regimes) that takes its name from the movement led by Benito Mussolini that took power in Italy in 1922. Mussolini's ideas and practices directly and indirectly influenced political movements in Germany (especially the Nazi Party), Spain (Franco's Falange Party), France, Argentina, and many other European and non-European countries right up to the present day.
.

Speaking of Mussolini, here are some things he thought

Mussolini (another fascist) also said:

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

and he said:

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)


Also,

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)


You know, fascism also lacked the "international" element that socialism and communism had....

But that does NOT make it any less a creature of the left or less statist

The Nazis also had the "Night of the Long Knives"- where they killed members of the Sturmabteilung or Brownshirts- did this make them "less Nazi"?
 
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Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous.



It also shows what happens when the State has too much power
The problem is Statism; one can not argue that the Nazi were for real "free markets"

The fundamental problem is the overbearing intrusion of the gov't. History has shown us that time after time. It is, if you will. the "nature of the beast".

Regardless or what political jargon one wants to put on it, it is the "size" of the gov't.
Dismantling of the free market system by any kind of gov't will always end in the destruction of individual economic and personal freedom.

No matter how good the intentions. It is cliche but true, the "road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unless, of course you want to argue that the left will get it right this time

Good luck with that
:eusa_angel:

"Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous."
Because NT says so, it must be true? Is the colon ( : ) misused in the quote above a subtle hint that he is full of shit?

by Dr. Paul M. Johnson (Dept. Poli Sci, Auburn University)
Fascism
A class of political ideologies (and historical political regimes) that takes its name from the movement led by Benito Mussolini that took power in Italy in 1922. Mussolini's ideas and practices directly and indirectly influenced political movements in Germany (especially the Nazi Party), Spain (Franco's Falange Party), France, Argentina, and many other European and non-European countries right up to the present day.
.

Speaking of Mussolini, here are some things he thought

Mussolini (another fascist) also said:

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State; and it is for the individual in so far as he coincides with the State,

and he said:

Everything in the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State."- Mussolini
(Der Nationalsozialismos, die Weltanschauung des 20. Jahrhunderts)


Also,

Mussolini liked to affirm that Marx was his spiritual father
(Mussolini y el Fascismo," in Que sais je. (in Spanish), page 31.)


You know, fascism also lacked the "international" element that socialism and communism had....

But that does NOT make it any less a creature of the left or less statist

The Nazis also had the "Night of the Long Knives"- where they killed members of the Sturmabteilung or Brownshirts- did this make them "less Nazi"?
Better CON$ervoFascist quotes:

Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism,
both in the political and the economic sphere.
- BENITO MUSSOLINI

"Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail."
Benito Mussolini

"The Liberal State is a mask behind which there is no face; it is a scaffolding behind which there is no building."
Benito Mussolini
 
Libs have a rally hard time accepting Hitler as their ideological father..wahhh wahh wahhh, just deal with it
 

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