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edthecynic said:
Well, in CON$ervative doublespeak any insult can be a "term of endearment," but not in the real world.
Neotrotsky said:
"any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?
"any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?
In typical CON$ervoFascist fashion, you twist words to create the context you want and then dishonestly put "quotation" marks on the words you fabricated.
That's why no honest person trusts any quote cited by a CON$ervaTard.
Ed,
in the speed of typing I forgot a " mark. But you are right Ed, it change everything. No one reading it could understand or got the complete wrong idea. Good thing you pointed out this high level of deception...
:lol:

Too bad Ed, Just when I thought you might be coming to the "light", you have jumped back into the "darkness"
For minute there, I almost thought we were friends.

Oh well, more broken hope from the left. One would think, sadly, that we be use to it by now
:(
Play dumb rather than admit you were wrong, exactly as Hitler instructed his fellow CON$ to do.

You didn't "forget" a quotation mark, you changed my words and then put YOUR wording in "quotation" marks as if I said it.

February 17, 2010
RUSH: This is how the OSS described Hitler's psychology: "His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong, people will believe a Big Lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."
 
edthecynic said:
Well, in CON$ervative doublespeak any insult can be a "term of endearment," but not in the real world.
Neotrotsky said:
"any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?
In typical CON$ervoFascist fashion, you twist words to create the context you want and then dishonestly put "quotation" marks on the words you fabricated.
That's why no honest person trusts any quote cited by a CON$ervaTard.
Ed,
in the speed of typing I forgot a " mark. But you are right Ed, it change everything. No one reading it could understand or got the complete wrong idea. Good thing you pointed out this high level of deception...
:lol:

Too bad Ed, Just when I thought you might be coming to the "light", you have jumped back into the "darkness"
For minute there, I almost thought we were friends.

Oh well, more broken hope from the left. One would think, sadly, that we be use to it by now
:(
Play dumb rather than admit you were wrong, exactly as Hitler instructed his fellow CON$ to do.

You didn't "forget" a quotation mark, you changed my words and then put YOUR wording in "quotation" marks as if I said it.

February 17, 2010
RUSH: This is how the OSS described Hitler's psychology: "His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong, people will believe a Big Lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

Ed

back to this? Where did I say I was not wrong?
Sure Ed, let's look at what we had

First:
" any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

Second: move " mark

any "term of endearment" can be an insult ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?


See how much better it flows Ed and they are your words
:eusa_angel:



Ed

just as a friendly note

Your obvious attempts to avoid the topics at hand, are not helped by your poor argument on the diversion topic

You should work on that
:eusa_angel:

Of course, I could be wrong. Perhaps you have hit upon the "mother load".
Perhaps from this egregious deception, the whole take down of the right is possible

If if works for you Ed- run with it
:cuckoo:
 
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April 24, 2008
RUSH: Mayor Daley's cops, his thugs went out there and were attacking Democrats, and the SDS was there and all the anti-war crowd -- the Jerry Reubens and the Tom Haydens -- they were starting fires and so forth, and the Democrats sent Mayor Daley's thugs out there to beat 'em upside the head!

April 24, 2008
CALLER: However, I'm one of those so-called thugs that you referred to. A Chicago policeman from '68 that was one of Daley so-called henchmen -- which we weren't, by the way, Rush.

RUSH: Wait, wait, wait just a second. You know, I understand why you called. You don't understand. I was proud of the cops. It was a term -- Daley's goons, Daley's thugs -- the point to me was that Daley had sent you guys out to beat up on his own people.

CALLER: A lot of us were very, very conservative.

RUSH: No, no, no. It was a term of endearment.

I wonder if that was satire.
 
edthecynic said:
Well, in CON$ervative doublespeak any insult can be a "term of endearment," but not in the real world.

Ed,
in the speed of typing I forgot a " mark. But you are right Ed, it change everything. No one reading it could understand or got the complete wrong idea. Good thing you pointed out this high level of deception...
:lol:

Too bad Ed, Just when I thought you might be coming to the "light", you have jumped back into the "darkness"
For minute there, I almost thought we were friends.

Oh well, more broken hope from the left. One would think, sadly, that we be use to it by now
:(
Play dumb rather than admit you were wrong, exactly as Hitler instructed his fellow CON$ to do.

You didn't "forget" a quotation mark, you changed my words and then put YOUR wording in "quotation" marks as if I said it.

February 17, 2010
RUSH: This is how the OSS described Hitler's psychology: "His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong, people will believe a Big Lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

Ed

back to this? Where did I say I was not wrong?
Sure Ed, let's look at what we had

First:
" any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

Second: move " mark

any "term of endearment" can be an insult ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?


See how much better it flows Ed and they are your words
Just keep lying, lies always score points with CON$ervoFascists.

Do you really think people are so stupid that no one can see how you changed my words? Moving the quotation mark does not change the fact that you changed the order of the words, which changes the whole context of what I said.

Again, you are a perfect example of why no honest person ever believes a quote coming from CON$.
 
Play dumb rather than admit you were wrong, exactly as Hitler instructed his fellow CON$ to do.

You didn't "forget" a quotation mark, you changed my words and then put YOUR wording in "quotation" marks as if I said it.

February 17, 2010
RUSH: This is how the OSS described Hitler's psychology: "His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong, people will believe a Big Lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

Ed

back to this? Where did I say I was not wrong?
Sure Ed, let's look at what we had

First:
" any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

Second: move " mark

any "term of endearment" can be an insult ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?


See how much better it flows Ed and they are your words
Just keep lying, lies always score points with CON$ervoFascists.

Do you really think people are so stupid that no one can see how you changed my words? Moving the quotation mark does not change the fact that you changed the order of the words, which changes the whole context of what I said.

Again, you are a perfect example of why no honest person ever believes a quote coming from CON$.


That's funny


to Everyone else,

it just looks like you can't defend your position and you are doing a poor attempt at diversion
Funny how that works
:eusa_whistle:
 
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Ed

back to this? Where did I say I was not wrong?
Sure Ed, let's look at what we had

First:
" any term of endearment can be an insult" ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?

Second: move " mark

any "term of endearment" can be an insult ? Not very inclusive of you Ed, what would your friends at Rainbow meetings think?


See how much better it flows Ed and they are your words
Just keep lying, lies always score points with CON$ervoFascists.

Do you really think people are so stupid that no one can see how you changed my words? Moving the quotation mark does not change the fact that you changed the order of the words, which changes the whole context of what I said.

Again, you are a perfect example of why no honest person ever believes a quote coming from CON$.
That's funny

to Everyone else,

it just looks like you can't defend your position and you are doing a poor attempt at diversion
Funny how that works
:eusa_whistle:
Notice how CON$ervaTards have arrogantly anointed themselves to speak for EVERYONE! :cuckoo:
 
Just keep lying, lies always score points with CON$ervoFascists.

Do you really think people are so stupid that no one can see how you changed my words? Moving the quotation mark does not change the fact that you changed the order of the words, which changes the whole context of what I said.

Again, you are a perfect example of why no honest person ever believes a quote coming from CON$.
That's funny

to Everyone else,

it just looks like you can't defend your position and you are doing a poor attempt at diversion
Funny how that works
:eusa_whistle:
Notice how CON$ervaTards have arrogantly anointed themselves to speak for EVERYONE! :cuckoo:


I only post this because you love to have the last post
:lol:
 
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An understanding of the political climate in Germany post WW I, explains the quote in the OP in context. The points listed in the link have been used by the RW fringe (see, above) to prove what came to be called Fascism is leftist movement.
Anyone who has done any reading of this time understands that the NAZI movement was Nationalisitic first and foremorst, and reference by Hitler to socialism was a populist strategy used to garner support from the suffering of the German workers.
The link attributed to Hitler was dated from the period before the Reichstag elections of 1928, and much like today those pushing their agenda pre-eleciton cycle appealed to as many voters as possible; Hitler was evil but few doubt his political will.
The Socialists Party was gaining a large following of workers in the mid 1920's and in fact in 1928 (May) so strengthened their numbers in the Reichstag they had to be included in the Government. The Nationalists lost heavily.
[ I might go on, but the willfully ignorant will not be moved to think, so why bother. Those interested in current events ought to read some history, there are lessons to be learned. Aguments about economic practice in a totalitarian state is what it is, i.e. the leadership in such a government says and does what it needs to, to maintain power ].
 
An understanding of the political climate in Germany post WW I, explains the quote in the OP in context. The points listed in the link have been used by the RW fringe (see, above) to prove what came to be called Fascism is leftist movement.
Anyone who has done any reading of this time understands that the NAZI movement was Nationalisitic first and foremorst, and reference by Hitler to socialism was a populist strategy used to garner support from the suffering of the German workers.
The link attributed to Hitler was dated from the period before the Reichstag elections of 1928, and much like today those pushing their agenda pre-eleciton cycle appealed to as many voters as possible; Hitler was evil but few doubt his political will.
The Socialists Party was gaining a large following of workers in the mid 1920's and in fact in 1928 (May) so strengthened their numbers in the Reichstag they had to be included in the Government. The Nationalists lost heavily.
[ I might go on, but the willfully ignorant will not be moved to think, so why bother. Those interested in current events ought to read some history, there are lessons to be learned. Aguments about economic practice in a totalitarian state is what it is, i.e. the leadership in such a government says and does what it needs to, to maintain power ].




Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous.



It also shows what happens when the State has too much power
The problem is Statism; one can not argue that the Nazi were for real "free markets"

The fundamental problem is the overbearing intrusion of the gov't. History has shown us that time after time. It is, if you will. the "nature of the beast".

Regardless or what political jargon one wants to put on it, it is the "size" of the gov't.
Dismantling of the free market system by any kind of gov't will always end in the destruction of individual economic and personal freedom.

No matter how good the intentions. It is cliche but true, the "road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unless, of course you want to argue that the left will get it right this time

Good luck with that
:eusa_angel:
 
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An understanding of the political climate in Germany post WW I, explains the quote in the OP in context. The points listed in the link have been used by the RW fringe (see, above) to prove what came to be called Fascism is leftist movement.
Anyone who has done any reading of this time understands that the NAZI movement was Nationalisitic first and foremorst, and reference by Hitler to socialism was a populist strategy used to garner support from the suffering of the German workers.
The link attributed to Hitler was dated from the period before the Reichstag elections of 1928, and much like today those pushing their agenda pre-eleciton cycle appealed to as many voters as possible; Hitler was evil but few doubt his political will.
The Socialists Party was gaining a large following of workers in the mid 1920's and in fact in 1928 (May) so strengthened their numbers in the Reichstag they had to be included in the Government. The Nationalists lost heavily.
[ I might go on, but the willfully ignorant will not be moved to think, so why bother. Those interested in current events ought to read some history, there are lessons to be learned. Aguments about economic practice in a totalitarian state is what it is, i.e. the leadership in such a government says and does what it needs to, to maintain power ].



It also shows what happens when the State has too much power
Unless, of course you want to argue that the left will get it right this time

Good luck with that
:eusa_angel:

Your response suggests the "left" in America today has too much power. They do if one considers the Demoratic Party as "left". Of course how one defines the "left" is open to argument.
If you believe Obama, Pelosi and Reid represent the left in America, how do you characterize the Socialist Workers Party, the Peace and Freedom Party and the Green Party? Are they (in order) far,far,far left; far, far left, and far left?
IMHO, Pelosi represents the most liberal faction of the Demoratic Party (DP) and Obama the moderate middle of the DP. Harry Reid is a wimp and as such defies political labels - he, like most Senators will say and vote in whatever way they believe will help them keep their jobs.
Looking at the Republican Party (RP) I see a populist movement, appealing to hate and fear, avarice and bigotry, uber-nationlism (jingoism) and with an extreme anti-intellectual bent; A RP which has lost its way, and can't conceive that Pogo was correct when 'he' said, we have become the people are parents warned us about.
I hope all Americans listened to the rhetoric from the recent conservative gaggle; those who spoke appealed to the far, far, far right - and that does not bode well for America.
 
Well, I remain curious. If NT won't answer or has other things to do, maybe someone else on the R side of the aisle will offer an answer? The question is: How can the Democratic Party be characterized as left wing, when to the Socialist Workers Party is far, far, far left of Obama? The Peace and Freedom Party is far, far left of Obama, the Green Party is far left of Obama and Speaker Pelosi is left of Obama?

My answer is the RP has moved so far to the right, under the influence of former Gov. Palin and former Sen. Graham that even moderate, fiscally conservative Democrats appear to be far left.
 
An understanding of the political climate in Germany post WW I, explains the quote in the OP in context. The points listed in the link have been used by the RW fringe (see, above) to prove what came to be called Fascism is leftist movement.
Anyone who has done any reading of this time understands that the NAZI movement was Nationalisitic first and foremorst, and reference by Hitler to socialism was a populist strategy used to garner support from the suffering of the German workers.
The link attributed to Hitler was dated from the period before the Reichstag elections of 1928, and much like today those pushing their agenda pre-eleciton cycle appealed to as many voters as possible; Hitler was evil but few doubt his political will.
The Socialists Party was gaining a large following of workers in the mid 1920's and in fact in 1928 (May) so strengthened their numbers in the Reichstag they had to be included in the Government. The Nationalists lost heavily.
[ I might go on, but the willfully ignorant will not be moved to think, so why bother. Those interested in current events ought to read some history, there are lessons to be learned. Aguments about economic practice in a totalitarian state is what it is, i.e. the leadership in such a government says and does what it needs to, to maintain power ].
Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous.
What a load of crap! Anyone who claims Right Wing extremist CON$ervoFascists like Hitler etc., were Leftists is dishonest.
But what else would anyone expect from people who can RATIONALIZE that insults are "terms of endearment" and "acts of compassion."

April 1, 2008
RUSH: New York governor Mario Cooomo who was on -- where was this? -- The Situation Room. For those of you new to the program, "Rush, it's Cuo-mo." I know that. But a long time ago, I heard the Reverend Jackson pronounce his name "Cooomo." You know, it's not stylish and it's not classy to correct somebody's pronunciation of things, especially when the mistake is made by a man of the cloth and a respected, revered Rev. So if he thinks it's Cooomo, then on this program, it's Cooomo, and that is an act of compassion.
 
An understanding of the political climate in Germany post WW I, explains the quote in the OP in context. The points listed in the link have been used by the RW fringe (see, above) to prove what came to be called Fascism is leftist movement.
Anyone who has done any reading of this time understands that the NAZI movement was Nationalisitic first and foremorst, and reference by Hitler to socialism was a populist strategy used to garner support from the suffering of the German workers.
The link attributed to Hitler was dated from the period before the Reichstag elections of 1928, and much like today those pushing their agenda pre-eleciton cycle appealed to as many voters as possible; Hitler was evil but few doubt his political will.
The Socialists Party was gaining a large following of workers in the mid 1920's and in fact in 1928 (May) so strengthened their numbers in the Reichstag they had to be included in the Government. The Nationalists lost heavily.
[ I might go on, but the willfully ignorant will not be moved to think, so why bother. Those interested in current events ought to read some history, there are lessons to be learned. Aguments about economic practice in a totalitarian state is what it is, i.e. the leadership in such a government says and does what it needs to, to maintain power ].
Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous.
What a load of crap! Anyone who claims Right Wing extremist CON$ervoFascists like Hitler etc., were Leftists is dishonest.
But what else would anyone expect from people who can RATIONALIZE that insults are "terms of endearment" and "acts of compassion."

April 1, 2008
RUSH: New York governor Mario Cooomo who was on -- where was this? -- The Situation Room. For those of you new to the program, "Rush, it's Cuo-mo." I know that. But a long time ago, I heard the Reverend Jackson pronounce his name "Cooomo." You know, it's not stylish and it's not classy to correct somebody's pronunciation of things, especially when the mistake is made by a man of the cloth and a respected, revered Rev. So if he thinks it's Cooomo, then on this program, it's Cooomo, and that is an act of compassion.

Ed, did I actually say "acts of compassion"?
:eusa_whistle:
 
I believe they have cut and run; facts have a way of chasing the RW fringe away, but, much like ant/roach spray, they come back again and again and again.

What facts have you presented?

Have you clearly demonstrated that he was not a creature of the left?
Have you shown that the Dismantling of the free market system by any kind of gov't will not end in the destruction of individual economic and personal freedom. ?
Have you shown that statism is not a problem?

No you have not


Again,

No matter how good the intentions. It is cliche but true, the "road to hell is paved with good intentions".

Unless, of course you want to argue that the left will get it right this time

Good luck with that

Didn't the Democratic Socialist party of the US endorsed Obama for President? - most have been left enough for them
Maybe they saw some potential.

In fact, Sam Webb (chairs the Communist Party USA. ) said in a speech delivered at a People's Weekly World event in Cleveland, Ohio (1/31/2009).

"We can disagree with the Obama administration without being disagreeable. Our tone should be respectful. We now have not simply a friend, but a people's advocate in the White House." and "In any case, we have our work cut out for us. But I think we can confidently say that change is coming. And we will build a more perfect union. Yes We Can! " and ""An era of progressive change is within reach, no longer an idle dream. Just look at the new lay of the land: a friend of labor and its allies sits in the White House,"

Strange how that support does not bother you? Do you save your concern for pulls of a party when it only goes one way?

Funny how that works
:eusa_whistle:


PS

It does not help you when you have Ed riding "shotgun" with you
:eusa_angel:

Of course, your use of derogatory names shows that your argument is weak
But you already knew that...
:eusa_shhh:

If you don't respond because you may be busy or not interested then I will not imply you are cockroach
Funny you would use that term, similar terms were used by people before in the past to describe others

odd coincidence- ironic in way
:redface:
 
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Fascism has roots in the left movement: to deny or try to blame on the right is disingenuous.
What a load of crap! Anyone who claims Right Wing extremist CON$ervoFascists like Hitler etc., were Leftists is dishonest.
But what else would anyone expect from people who can RATIONALIZE that insults are "terms of endearment" and "acts of compassion."

April 1, 2008
RUSH: New York governor Mario Cooomo who was on -- where was this? -- The Situation Room. For those of you new to the program, "Rush, it's Cuo-mo." I know that. But a long time ago, I heard the Reverend Jackson pronounce his name "Cooomo." You know, it's not stylish and it's not classy to correct somebody's pronunciation of things, especially when the mistake is made by a man of the cloth and a respected, revered Rev. So if he thinks it's Cooomo, then on this program, it's Cooomo, and that is an act of compassion.

Ed, did I actually say "acts of compassion"?
:eusa_whistle:
While you have anointed yourself to SPEAK for all PEOPLE, you are still only ONE PERSON!
 
What a load of crap! Anyone who claims Right Wing extremist CON$ervoFascists like Hitler etc., were Leftists is dishonest.
But what else would anyone expect from people who can RATIONALIZE that insults are "terms of endearment" and "acts of compassion."

April 1, 2008
RUSH: New York governor Mario Cooomo who was on -- where was this? -- The Situation Room. For those of you new to the program, "Rush, it's Cuo-mo." I know that. But a long time ago, I heard the Reverend Jackson pronounce his name "Cooomo." You know, it's not stylish and it's not classy to correct somebody's pronunciation of things, especially when the mistake is made by a man of the cloth and a respected, revered Rev. So if he thinks it's Cooomo, then on this program, it's Cooomo, and that is an act of compassion.

Ed, did I actually say "acts of compassion"?
:eusa_whistle:
While you have anointed yourself to SPEAK for all PEOPLE, you are still only ONE PERSON!


Unlike you Ed, I did not call you a liar
Nor do I believe that I have found the Achilles heel to bring down the left
(Obama is doing a fine job of that)
:eusa_angel:
 

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