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Discussion in 'Israel and Palestine' started by pbel, Nov 18, 2012.

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    O.K.! The IDF can easily defeat the Hamas stick and stone Army...they have done that before and yet no submission...

    The answer is simple: It is an endless quagmire like Iraq, Afghanistan or any country who’s civilian population is being attacked in their home turf...

    The answer to this quandary is also simple: Israel must make peace with Fatah which recognizes Israel's right to exist, then give Fatah a state, share Jerusalem...and they need not include Gaza...

    This simple solution with Israel's Economic help to the new state would show the Gaza the fruits of Peace.
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    Unfortunately, the only language Gazans know is WARFARE.
     
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    No, the solution is to do to the leaderships of the terrorist gangs in Gaza what Sharon did to the PLO in the West Bank. Sharon's actions established peaceful relations between Israel and the West Bank Arabs for the first time in nearly a century. The question is, are there any current leaders in Israel who are smart enough, tough enough and bold enough to do this in Gaza?
     
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    Your analysis reminds me of an Einstein summation of insanity when he said: "insanity is when you keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result."

    Sharon created the present Gaza...and the West Bank?...even Arafat recognized Israel's right to exist that's why they killed him. No one in Israel wanted peace, they also killed Rabin...The Right Wing Zionists were now in control.

    Even Sharon knew the right wingers went too far and left Gaza hoping for a peace deal.


    With all due respect...the World demmands a Peace...Israelis I hope endorse a peace in Jan. elections.
     
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    It is odd that my post reminds you of what Einstein said about insanity since Sharon's actions in the West Bank did work and established peaceful relations between Israel and the West Bank Arabs for the first time in nearly a century. Whatever Arafat may have said, Sharon's actions were in response to the second intifada, the worst period of violence between Israel and the West Bank Arabs, and they turned it into the most peaceful period.

    You may be right that the withdrawal from Gaza was part of a Sharon plan to bring about a final settlement, but, largely due to the corruption and incompetence of the Abbas government, the withdrawal led to a division of the Palestinian Arabs that makes any negotiated two state solution impossible for the foreseeable future.

    If you are really serious about wanting to see a negotiated two state solution, you should be rooting for Israel to take control of Gaza again and then to turn it over to Abbas in the hope that realistic negotiations can begin, but the Israelis are not about to spend their blood and treasure to give Gaza back to Abbas when he has proven he is incompetent to hold on to it.

    Presently, the only hope for peaceful relations between Israel and the Gaza Arabs is for Israel to do to the leaderships of the terrorist gangs what Sharon did to the PLO, so that the Gaza leaders who brought this humiliation and defeat and immense suffering to the people of Gaza will be replaced by new leaderships that will be more accommodating, as the Arafat government was replaced by the more accommodating Abbas government.
     
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    I agree with this analysis, except for the sharing of Jerusalem.
     
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    Islamic mentality. The most savage barbaric terrorist animal gets to be prophet. They respond only to strength and power. Negotiations and "peace treaties" are seen as a sign of weakness.
     
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    Palestinian Jews, Muslims, and Christians enjoyed "peaceful relations" for centuries before European Jews decided to inflict a Jewish State upon the majority of the population of Palestine.
     
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    I think pbel is talking about the longer-term prospects for peace, AFTER the Gazan terrorists are beaten into submission. When the West-Bankers see what rebelling cost the Gazans, they will be even more moderate than they are now. Abbas has already said that he has no desire to get Safed back, only to visit. But if Gaza loses in warfare AND Abbas loses by peaceful means in the UN, the Palestinians will catch on to the fact that this is all just bullshit.
     
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    Israel exists, and we all must move forward.
     

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