*What Makes Serving In Military You More Deserving To Political Opinion?

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Many times I have been accused of lying when I tell people that I served, it's almost like they cannot imagine that someone with liberal views could ever have been in, there is a good reason for that. The people who did the best were those who were accepting of arbitrary authority figures, like conservatives, I never could so I got out and and got a real job.

With an attitude like you display here.

Most likely you were chaptered out with either A Dishonorable Discharge or a General Discharge.

That you were kicked out for violating the DADT Policy would be my guess as the reason.

1. ^^^^^ One of the most guilty of dropping the *vet card*.
2. And look at his moniker, claims to be a muslim, that should make most real vets fuming mad!
3. Just amazing, and look at his rep points, another reason I disdain anything he has to say.
4. And his views on religion are just as stink-co.
5. Because islam isn't really a religion, but thats another topic eh folks???


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

What makes writing grammatically correct thread titles so difficult for you?

1. Oh crap *The English Teacher* just showed up.
2. Oh shit, we are *ALL* in trouble.
3. Move along *English Nazi*.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Dot Com]

1.What do you think of the "wall of separation" chesswarsnow?
2. You play chess too?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

how many democrats died for their country fighting in wars?

1. I think the last count was four.
2. Hehehehe,..just kidding, I don't think they keep count, but do you want to enlighten us?
3. Is it more than other party members?
4. Say it is, and then claim you badge for the *ultimate vet card* throw down.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

how many democrats died for their country fighting in wars?

Practically everyone from the south.

1. Unfounded and impossible.
2. That would be another topic too, lets not.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Photonic]

Sorry bout that,

What makes writing grammatically correct thread titles so difficult for you?

1. Oh crap *The English Teacher* just showed up.
2. Oh shit, we are *ALL* in trouble.
3. Move along *English Nazi*.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

So it's too much to ask to communicate properly in a way people can understand you?

Not that it invalidates your point, I'm just saying.

 

[pegwinn]

To answer the original question.....

This is an interesting read from Chairman, of the House Armed Services Committee,
Rep Buck McKeon. He puts this "Occupy Wall Street Protest" in a different light.

United States Congressman
Serving the 25th District of California

Our Armed Services Are The Real 1 Percent

In parks and city squares across the nation, America’s youth claim that
they are “the 99 percent.” That is, the 99 percent of Americans the Occupy
Wall Street group believes are struggling through economic hardships and
inequality.

Their villain is the 1 percent — the purveyors of power who the movement
holds accountable for our fiscal woes.

As chairman of the Armed Services Committee, I support a somewhat
different 1 percent. Despite ten years of war, we have been kept safe by 1
percent of Americans who have volunteered to wear the uniform, volunteered
to stand a post and volunteered to keep us safe.

At a time when our nation faces such grave financial challenges and we
debate vigorously over how to right our fiscal ship, we must remember that
we are a nation at war, and that every day our troops leave the wire, walk
long patrols across unforgiving terrain, keeping us free from harm, bearing
hardships in the name of our flag and our freedom.

The deeds and actions of Occupy Wall Street boast household recognition.
But how many households know Army Specialist Jesse Snow?

During a tough fight in Afghanistan, Snow crawled on his belly into
withering enemy fire, dragging two of his wounded teammates back towards a
friendly position using his body as a shield and giving his life to save his
comrades.

How many know Capt. Ademola Fabayo, an immigrant from Nigeria who was
awarded the Navy Cross for his heroic plunge into an intense firefight, in
an attempt in vain to save four of his Marines?

Several months ago, I visited Fort Jackson, S.C., to watch 500 new
recruits graduate from U.S. Army Basic training. They stood quietly and
proudly at attention, with adoring families looking on, having volunteered
to serve their nation during wartime. Eight of those young men and women
were immigrants, earning their citizenship through their service. I am very
proud that my granddaughter was among them.

They were among the 1 percent who volunteered to wear the uniform, so that
the 99 percent can assemble and speak out free from fear of the draft.

It is instructive to consider the stark differences between these two
different youth movements.

The 99 percent argues its poverty using $300 smart phones. The 1 percent
endures long hours, modest pay and the harshness of combat, but demands
nothing.

The 99 percent demands that the government pay back their student loans,
often for expensive degrees in academic fields not adequate to compete in
today’s tough employment market.

The 1 percent who wear the uniform enters into a social compact with the
government, offering four years of wartime service in exchange for a GI Bill
that will cover the cost of tuition at a state, not private, university.
Some soldiers attend night classes after a full day of work, disrupting
their education for long deployments to places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The 99 percent insist that they be provided full benefits, retirement and
health care, simply for being born a U.S. citizen.

But when Washington discussed cutting military benefits, retirement, and
health care, the 1 percent in uniform sat quietly by, pressing on with their
service and their sacrifices.

The 99 percent insists our enemies are internal, loudly lamenting their
misfortune due the schemes of an ever-changing host of antagonists. But the
1 percent in uniform does not complain, does not lament, does not fall
victim to self pity or doubt.

They quietly fight a real enemy, one that would do great harm and bring
horrific violence to our fellow citizens if only afforded the opportunity.

Over the last several months, Washington has stalled over how to resolve
America’s debt crisis. In this debate, some have set up a series of false
choices, pretending that higher taxes and more domestic spending could make
our nation prosperous again and that cuts to our military will not make us
less safe.

In reality, the 1 percent in uniform have taken on an enormously tough job
in an increasingly dangerous world, one they continue to perform though
politicians in Washington threaten to cut their equipment and benefits
dramatically.

I have made it my mission to ensure that these false choices are exposed
and our obligations to those who serve — and those who have served before
them — are met first.

This week, we learned that the committee formed for and charged with
finding needed savings has failed to do its job, and now, unfortunately,
America’s military is facing cuts that will devastate the armed forces and
force us to break faith with service members. I do not accept that outcome.

Our military has already contributed nearly a half-trillion dollars to
deficit reduction. Those who have given us so much, have nothing more to
give.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has said he doesn’t want to be the
secretary who hollows out defense. Likewise, I will not be the armed
services chairman who presides over crippling our military. I will not let
these sequestration cuts stand. I will be introducing legislation in the
coming days to prevent cuts that will do catastrophic damage to our men and
women in uniform and our national security

We should not seek to disparage legitimate concerns about the tough
economic hardships plaguing our nation. But nor should we look to this
protest movement as a viable exponent of recovery or revitalization.

It is the 1 percent, not the 99 percent, that will bring its integrity and
its character into law, government and business and spread it to all corners
of society. They are our greatest hope, and they are our way forward.

Let’s pause and remember that this special class of citizen, this 1
percent, is the model for citizenship, service and salvation from our
despair and our woes.

Buck McKeon
Member of Congress

 

[Sunni Man]

1. ^^^^^ One of the most guilty of dropping the *vet card*.
2. And look at his moniker, claims to be a muslim, that should make most real vets fuming mad!
3. Just amazing, and look at his rep points, another reason I disdain anything he has to say.

You are so jealous of me that you can't stand it.

 

[Photonic]

*snip*

You know, I find that entire thing to be insulting bullshit. It insinuates that you can't support this country in ANY other way other than getting shot at.

What about the women that worked in the factories in WWII?

What about all the civilian scientists and engineers that keep the US ahead of the rest of the world? (The real reason we win our wars, btw)

I find that to be incredibly disturbing that the achievements of these people are considered 2nd rate to the armed forces.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

Just because there weren't any wars doesn't mean your military service is less. The possibility is always there.

I get so sick of people bashing the military and the police and firefighters. All these guys put their lives on the line. They aren't joining for the money. They are doing it out of a sense of duty. So naturally, what they think means more to me, because it means more to them. Being a veteran, I know what I'm talking about. I would never say, "So some of you bastards can simply blow it out your fucking asses." to people willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Sure, there are a few bad apples.

In fact, if this is your position towards people who served the nation, you just might be one of those "bad apples".

1. Thats the point, the folks who served always listen more to others who served, even if that person has no ground to stand on in a debate on this site, one vet throws the *vet card* then all these other vets *high five* yeah thats right!!!
2. Then we get into the classic *cluster fuck* with all the vets coming out of the wood work to agree with the vet who threw down the *vet card*.
3. Its going to stop NOW, because I'm going to have to stop it!
4. That is all, now *dismissed*!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

I think there should be a constitutional amendment forbidding draft dodging chickenhawks from campaigning for POTUS on a platform of unilateral foreign war. Not that our foreign wars aren't already unconstitutional but maybe it needs to be reemphasized before someone starts WWIII.

1. More of what I'm talking about.
2. Bullshit.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[xotoxi]

Some have been out of this country, been in war, experienced other cultures and the experience gives them a unique point of view that those whom haven't served just cannot understand.

"Unique point of view" doesn't mean "more important".

 

[Full-Auto]

Sorry bout that,

Just because there weren't any wars doesn't mean your military service is less. The possibility is always there.

I get so sick of people bashing the military and the police and firefighters. All these guys put their lives on the line. They aren't joining for the money. They are doing it out of a sense of duty. So naturally, what they think means more to me, because it means more to them. Being a veteran, I know what I'm talking about. I would never say, "So some of you bastards can simply blow it out your fucking asses." to people willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Sure, there are a few bad apples.

In fact, if this is your position towards people who served the nation, you just might be one of those "bad apples".

1. Thats the point, the folks who served always listen more to others who served, even if that person has no ground to stand on in a debate on this site, one vet throws the *vet card* then all these other vets *high five* yeah thats right!!!
2. Then we get into the classic *cluster fuck* with all the vets coming out of the wood work to agree with the vet who threw down the *vet card*.
3. Its going to stop NOW, because I'm going to have to stop it!
4. That is all, now *dismissed*!


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

Listen to a fellow vet more then anyone else? Some may. Whether someone served doesnt have any bearing on the topic. I have given passes for some questionable things posted. Part of the gig I guess.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Lincoln and Roosevelt II never saw military service. Lincoln was elected the captain of his local militia, but it went no where and did nothing but try and lynch a random indian that wandered too close to their camp. Lincoln talked them out of it.

Roosevelt II served as secretary of the Navy in the Wilson Administration.


Some folks with very good service records left a lot to be desired in politics. George McGovern did 30+ bombing raids during WWII before being shot down. Him being president... I am so glad he lost. Bush 1 was another aviation hero till he was also shot down. Record as POTUS was not so good.

I believe Ulysses S. Grant, one of the most famous generals in American history, was considered to be a terrible President, precisely because he couldn't grasp the difference between the military and civilian political departments.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Some have been out of this country, been in war, experienced other cultures and the experience gives them a unique point of view that those whom haven't served just cannot understand.

Which doesn't make them any more entitled to voice political opinions than anyone else, and had best be actively demonstrated if they want me to give more weight to the opinions they voice. I'm certainly not going to just assume this to be the case.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

I don't believe my opinion should count for more than anyone else's, and I suspect most other vets don't either. When it comes to military issues though, we do have some experience to draw on.

1. No one wants to believe it, I sure do not.
2. But I hear from a huge portion of vets using the *vet card* as a habit.
3. Maybe you don't see it because you are too busy getting and giving a *high five*?
4. I don't follow you around here so I couldn't say for *sure*.
5. You are not saying the *vet card* does or does not get used a lot either are you?
6. Do you use it much?
7. And if you did, or do use it often, do you or could you think it some how supports your arguement, being a vet?
8. Really???



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Cecilie1200]

I don't believe my opinion should count for more than anyone else's, and I suspect most other vets don't either. When it comes to military issues though, we do have some experience to draw on.

Depends on what you're talking about regarding military issues. If the topic is the everyday lives and jobs of regular soldiers, then okay. If the topic is overall military policy, then unless you were on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, you don't have any more than anyone else. Saying otherwise is like saying that because I was an administrative assistant in a department of the University of Arizona, that means I know what it takes to be the President of the U of A and run the whole freaking university. Not hardly.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Just because there weren't any wars doesn't mean your military service is less. The possibility is always there.

I get so sick of people bashing the military and the police and firefighters. All these guys put their lives on the line. They aren't joining for the money. They are doing it out of a sense of duty. So naturally, what they think means more to me, because it means more to them. Being a veteran, I know what I'm talking about. I would never say, "So some of you bastards can simply blow it out your fucking asses." to people willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Sure, there are a few bad apples.

In fact, if this is your position towards people who served the nation, you just might be one of those "bad apples".

It's not that veterans have a greater insight into politics. They have a greater insight into the ramifications of what it means to go to war. War should be the last option. Republicans see it as the first.

They do? Really? Because . . . what, you're incapable of understanding the concept of death? What the hell kind of retard ARE you?

 

[Cecilie1200]

thats ok Slick, i think there should be a constitutional ammendment that only veterens can vote.

a person should HAVE to have put it on the line to get a say so in how the show works as far as I am concerned.

I think there should be a constitutional amendment forbidding draft dodging chickenhawks from campaigning for POTUS on a platform of unilateral foreign war. Not that our foreign wars aren't already unconstitutional but maybe it needs to be reemphasized before someone starts WWIII.

And you're going to do what about those people who are unable to serve for one reason or another? What, the handicapped are second-class citizens who should have no opportunity to participate as full citizens?

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,

I don't believe my opinion should count for more than anyone else's, and I suspect most other vets don't either. When it comes to military issues though, we do have some experience to draw on.

I nominate this man for most intelligent post of today.

1. It was a good post, if ofcourse he doesn't always throw down the *vet card* like others do here.
2. Although I haven't read all the posts on this site today.



Regards,
SirJamesofTexas