What Makes Indiana's Religious-Freedom Law Different? Mostly TWO Provisions!

[orogenicman]

All you have to do is look back at the Jim Crow south to see where this and any law like it is leading us. Do I need to draw you a picture?

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

All you have to do is look back at the Jim Crow south to see where this and any law like it is leading us. Do I need to draw you a picture?

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

All you have to do is look back at the Jim Crow south to see where this and any law like it is leading us. Do I need to draw you a picture?

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

All you have to do is look back at the Jim Crow south to see where this and any law like it is leading us. Do I need to draw you a picture?

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

The primary objection in America regarding the issue's relating to LGBT's are protections against backwards thinking unhappy scared cretins like yourself.

Nothing backwards thinking about protecting Americans from sex perverts and their ludicrous attempts to gain acceptance. The perverts are every bit as perverted now as they were 50 or 100 years ago. They are every bit as unable to reproduce, and thus see the need to proselytize youngsters. And you can throw as many negative words around as you like ("unhappy", "scared" - is that all you can think of ?) - it doesn't change a thing. Neither does the laughable attempt to portray normal people, Christians, and protectionists as cretins. These are all age-old tactics of the queer lobby, which America just laughs at. Ho hum.

One has to wonder what your employer thinks about your opinion, assuming that you are mentally capable (or old enough) of holding one

 

[protectionist]

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

The primary objection in America regarding the issue's relating to LGBT's are protections against backwards thinking unhappy scared cretins like yourself.

Nothing backwards thinking about protecting Americans from sex perverts and their ludicrous attempts to gain acceptance. The perverts are every bit as perverted now as they were 50 or 100 years ago. They are every bit as unable to reproduce, and thus see the need to proselytize youngsters. And you can throw as many negative words around as you like ("unhappy", "scared" - is that all you can think of ?) - it doesn't change a thing. Neither does the laughable attempt to portray normal people, Christians, and protectionists as cretins. These are all age-old tactics of the queer lobby, which America just laughs at. Ho hum.

I was not portraying normal people as cretins. The reference was made specifically to and about you. I do not consider you a normal person or a typical Christian.

What a coincidence! I feel the same about you.

 

[protectionist]

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

No need for pictures. We can easily see that you are trying very hard (fruitlessly) to equate the NON-civil rights issue of gays, with the real civil rights issues of Blacks, which existed over 50 years ago.

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

The primary objection in America regarding the issue's relating to LGBT's are protections against backwards thinking unhappy scared cretins like yourself.

Nothing backwards thinking about protecting Americans from sex perverts and their ludicrous attempts to gain acceptance. The perverts are every bit as perverted now as they were 50 or 100 years ago. They are every bit as unable to reproduce, and thus see the need to proselytize youngsters. And you can throw as many negative words around as you like ("unhappy", "scared" - is that all you can think of ?) - it doesn't change a thing. Neither does the laughable attempt to portray normal people, Christians, and protectionists as cretins. These are all age-old tactics of the queer lobby, which America just laughs at. Ho hum.

One has to wonder what your employer thinks about your opinion, assuming that you are mentally capable (or old enough) of holding one

I'm retired after 50 years in the workforce, and why do you wonder about what an employer thinks ? Employers and employees both are entitled to their views, and in the USA, are entitled to voice their views as well. So ?

 

[protectionist]

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays, they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

 

[protectionist]

Indiana gives in to LGBT protections.

LGBT Protections Added To Indiana Religious Freedom Law

That is an act of idiocy and cowardice. Pence should be thinking about the people who voted for him and got him elected, not a bunch of sex perverts who form crowds with megaphones.

 

[protectionist]

If it can't then it is NOT an RFRA law at all. Either gays or Christians must be discriminated against. Both cannot be accomodated. If the Indiana governor has chosen to accomodate gays, then he has also chosen to discriminate (very seriously) against Christians, and will forever be known as one of the biggest cowards (and fool) ever to be a governor in America.

 

[orogenicman]

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays, they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

Who or what, may I ask, do you believe you are protecting? Your right to be a bigot? What gives you that right?

 

[orogenicman]

If it can't then it is NOT an RFRA law at all. Either gays or Christians must be discriminated against. Both cannot be accomodated. If the Indiana governor has chosen to accomodate gays, then he has also chosen to discriminate (very seriously) against Christians, and will forever be known as one of the biggest cowards (and fool) ever to be a governor in America.

Not true. Christians are well within their rights to intolerance with regard to gays (or birds, or chirping antelopes), (there are, after all, over 400,000 churches, synagogues, temples, and monasteries exist from which they can espouse their hatred). But when that hatred extends to the public sector, that's where their right to intolerance stops.

 

[PratchettFan]

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays, they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

Who or what, may I ask, do you believe you are protecting? Your right to be a bigot? What gives you that right?

The first amendment.

 

[PratchettFan]

Indiana gives in to LGBT protections.

LGBT Protections Added To Indiana Religious Freedom Law

Did you read the proposed change?

 

[Kondor3]

Thirty law professors who are experts in religious freedom wrote in February that the Indiana law does not “mirror the language of the federal RFRA” and “will… create confusion, conflict, and a wave of litigation that will threaten the clarity of religious liberty rights in Indiana while undermining the state’s ability to enforce other compelling interests.

The Big Lie The Media Tells About Indiana’s New ‘Religious Freedom’ Law

Thirty law professors who are experts in religious freedom should know what they're talking about. Read their letter.

And who pulled these Law Professors together under one roof for such purposes?

Was it a Liberal, or a Liberal-leaning organization, or an element of the Gay Mafia?

It's a good guess, that for every 30 Law Professors, well versed in Religious Freedom issues, who so declare, that you can find another 30 who will opine differently.

MEH.

 

[orogenicman]

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays, they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

Who or what, may I ask, do you believe you are protecting? Your right to be a bigot? What gives you that right?

The first amendment.

The 1st amendment protects the religious rights of individuals. It does not protect the religious rights of businesses because they are not people. And more to the point, it does not give businesses free reign to discriminate. The fact that both the Indiana and Arkansas governors have pulled back and reconsidered this issue is a good thing for all involved.

 

[dblack]

It does not protect the religious rights of businesses because they are not people.

Sub-people? Demi-people?

 

[PratchettFan]

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays, they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

Who or what, may I ask, do you believe you are protecting? Your right to be a bigot? What gives you that right?

The first amendment.

The 1st amendment protects the religious rights of individuals. It does not protect the religious rights of businesses because they are not people. And more to the point, it does not give businesses free reign to discriminate. The fact that both the Indiana and Arkansas governors have pulled back and reconsidered this issue is a good thing for all involved.

That is not the question you asked.

 

[Lakhota]

Mike Pence tried putting some lipstick on his bigot pig - but it's still a bigot pig.

 

[orogenicman]

It does not protect the religious rights of businesses because they are not people.

Sub-people? Demi-people?

A business is not a person, not a human being. You didn't know this? Huh.

 

[orogenicman]

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

Who or what, may I ask, do you believe you are protecting? Your right to be a bigot? What gives you that right?

The first amendment.

The 1st amendment protects the religious rights of individuals. It does not protect the religious rights of businesses because they are not people. And more to the point, it does not give businesses free reign to discriminate. The fact that both the Indiana and Arkansas governors have pulled back and reconsidered this issue is a good thing for all involved.

That is not the question you asked.

Erm, what?

 

[protectionist]

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays, they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

Who or what, may I ask, do you believe you are protecting? Your right to be a bigot? What gives you that right?

I am protecting Christians and all the American people from the queer facists who are fighting against these RFRA laws, and who have demanded the amendments to it, which then discriminate against Christians and normal people. You can forget your stupid bigot card. You are being an anti-Christian bigot/hypocrite.
As for rights, ALL Americans have the right to speak out for what they believe, didn't you know ? The Constitution gives that right.

 

[orogenicman]

When gays are beaten, murdered, refused accommodations, and treated like second class citizens by religious folk and businesses alike, how is that NOT a civil rights issue? If you believe that this country has achieved the goal of equality/civil rights, you've been asleep at the wheel.

When Affirmative Action is banned in all 50 states (presently banned in only 8), then we will have equality civil rights. Until then, White people will continue to be discriminated against, as they have been for 51 years. NO other group really has much of any civil rights problem.
As for gays, they should be discriminated against for jobs in teaching, counseling, coaching, politics, clergy, and any job involving decision making for the public and being around children. The primary objective is PROTECTION of the public, not support for sex perversion.

^^^^^^
Feel the hate, people.

It isn't "hate". It is protectionism. And the reason why you call it "hate" is to try to villainize those whom you disagree with, because you're incapable of standing up to the truth, and debating it fair and square. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
PS - I have seen some real hate in this thread. It is from gay supporters, who hate Christians (to the point of mocking Jesus in their avatar)

Who or what, may I ask, do you believe you are protecting? Your right to be a bigot? What gives you that right?

I am protecting Christians and all the American people from the queer facists who are fighting against these RFRA laws, and who have demanded the amendments to it, which then discriminate against Christians and normal people. You can forget your stupid bigot card. You are being an anti-Christian bigot/hypocrite.
As for rights, ALL Americans have the right to speak out for what they believe, didn't you know ? The Constitution gives that right.

Did you ask these Christians and Americans if they, in fact, needed your protection, or did you take it upon yourself to impose your "protection" without their consent?

 

[protectionist]

If it can't then it is NOT an RFRA law at all. Either gays or Christians must be discriminated against. Both cannot be accomodated. If the Indiana governor has chosen to accomodate gays, then he has also chosen to discriminate (very seriously) against Christians, and will forever be known as one of the biggest cowards (and fool) ever to be a governor in America.

Not true. Christians are well within their rights to intolerance with regard to gays (or birds, or chirping antelopes), (there are, after all, over 400,000 churches, synagogues, temples, and monasteries exist from which they can espouse their hatred). But when that hatred extends to the public sector, that's where their right to intolerance stops.

This post (# 188) is completely refuted by the post that it responded to (Post # 186). And your post is extremely stupid. Intolerance certainly does NOT stop at the public sector. Thousands of laws on the books in America are intolerance of various behaviors in the public sector (ex murder, robbery, arson, rape, reckless driving, etc), and people are arrested for these every day. Get some sleep.