What leader, what government, what country is getting right?

[Soggy in NOLA]

I yearn for the days when all we had to worry about was the U.S. Government tracking down and capturing terrorists.

Now? Iran.. no problem.... Jews? Big problem. And then there's that whole "man caused disaster" mentality. This Obama regime is quite the bunch.

 

[rightwinger]

The point is show me a better leader, a better government, a better country than our Obama led government.

It is easy to say in a theoretical sense you can do a lot better.

Show us some real world examples.

I am taking from your response you cannot name any.

We are America. We are unique. We don't need to follow the example of others. We were founded to be a beacon - a unique, free society for others to emulate.... not to emulate others. Have you never read our history?

What a fucking dumbassed question.

Show me a country that gives you more freedoms, more gun rights, more opportunity, a better taxation system.

SHOW ME.

The US has leadership challenges most countries do not; over 300 million people, a very diverse population, the highest standard of living to maintain.

This perfect government you want could be realized easier in a smaller less diverse country.

Show me something close.

Give it up..

They will bitch about this country 24-7, complain about how bad it has gotten.

But are unable to name a single country or leader that they want to emulate

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Yeah...balance..
1.Grant program for consumer assistance offices (Section 1002, p. 37)
2.Grant program for states to monitor premium increases (Section 1003, p. 42)
3.Committee to review administrative simplification standards (Section 1104, p. 71)
4.Demonstration program for state wellness programs (Section 1201, p. 93)
5.Grant program to establish state Exchanges (Section 1311(a), p. 130)
6.State American Health Benefit Exchanges (Section 1311(b), p. 131)
7.Exchange grants to establish consumer navigator programs (Section 1311(i), p. 150)
8.Grant program for state cooperatives (Section 1322, p. 169)
9.Advisory board for state cooperatives (Section 1322(b)(3), p. 173)
10.Private purchasing council for state cooperatives (Section 1322(d), p. 177)
11.State basic health plan programs (Section 1331, p. 201)
12.State-based reinsurance program (Section 1341, p. 226)
13.Program of risk corridors for individual and small group markets (Section 1342, p. 233)
14.Program to determine eligibility for Exchange participation (Section 1411, p. 267)
15.Program for advance determination of tax credit eligibility (Section 1412, p. 288)
16.Grant program to implement health IT enrollment standards (Section 1561, p. 370)
17.Federal Coordinated Health Care Office for dual eligible beneficiaries (Section 2602, p. 512)
18.Medicaid quality measurement program (Section 2701, p. 518)
19.Medicaid health home program for people with chronic conditions, and grants for planning same (Section 2703, p. 524)
20.Medicaid demonstration project to evaluate bundled payments (Section 2704, p. 532)
21.Medicaid demonstration project for global payment system (Section 2705, p. 536)
22.Medicaid demonstration project for accountable care organizations (Section 2706, p. 538)
23.Medicaid demonstration project for emergency psychiatric care (Section 2707, p. 540)
24.Grant program for delivery of services to individuals with postpartum depression (Section 2952(b), p. 591)
25.State allotments for grants to promote personal responsibility education programs (Section 2953, p. 596)
26.Medicare value-based purchasing program (Section 3001(a), p. 613)
27.Medicare value-based purchasing demonstration program for critical access hospitals (Section 3001(b), p. 637)
28.Medicare value-based purchasing program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 3006(a), p. 666)
29.Medicare value-based purchasing program for home health agencies (Section 3006(b), p. 668)
30.Interagency Working Group on Health Care Quality (Section 3012, p. 688)
31.Grant program to develop health care quality measures (Section 3013, p. 693)
32. Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (Section 3021, p. 712)
33.Medicare shared savings program (Section 3022, p. 728)
34.Medicare pilot program on payment bundling (Section 3023, p. 739)
35. Independence at home medical practice demonstration program (Section 3024, p. 752)
36.Program for use of patient safety organizations to reduce hospital readmission rates (Section 3025(b), p. 775)
37.Community-based care transitions program (Section 3026, p. 776)
38.Demonstration project for payment of complex diagnostic laboratory tests (Section 3113, p. 800)
39.Medicare hospice concurrent care demonstration project (Section 3140, p. 850)
40.Independent Payment Advisory Board (Section 3403, p. 982)
41.Consumer Advisory Council for Independent Payment Advisory Board (Section 3403, p. 1027)
42.Grant program for technical assistance to providers implementing health quality practices (Section 3501, p. 1043)
43.Grant program to establish interdisciplinary health teams (Section 3502, p. 1048)
44.Grant program to implement medication therapy management (Section 3503, p. 1055)
45.Grant program to support emergency care pilot programs (Section 3504, p. 1061)
46.Grant program to promote universal access to trauma services (Section 3505(b), p. 1081)
47.Grant program to develop and promote shared decision-making aids (Section 3506, p. 1088)
48.Grant program to support implementation of shared decision-making (Section 3506, p. 1091)
49.Grant program to integrate quality improvement in clinical education (Section 3508, p. 1095)
50.Health and Human Services Coordinating Committee on Women’s Health (Section 3509(a), p. 1098)
51.Centers for Disease Control Office of Women’s Health (Section 3509(b), p. 1102)
52.Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Office of Women’s Health (Section 3509(e), p. 1105)
53.Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Women’s Health (Section 3509(f), p. 1106)
54.Food and Drug Administration Office of Women’s Health (Section 3509(g), p. 1109)
55.National Prevention, Health Promotion, and Public Health Council (Section 4001, p. 1114)
56.Advisory Group on Prevention, Health Promotion, and Integrative and Public Health (Section 4001(f), p. 1117)
57.Prevention and Public Health Fund (Section 4002, p. 1121)
58.Community Preventive Services Task Force (Section 4003(b), p. 1126)
59.Grant program to support school-based health centers (Section 4101, p. 1135)
60.Grant program to promote research-based dental caries disease management (Section 4102, p. 1147)
61.Grant program for States to prevent chronic disease in Medicaid beneficiaries (Section 4108, p. 1174)
62.Community transformation grants (Section 4201, p. 1182)
63.Grant program to provide public health interventions (Section 4202, p. 1188)
64.Demonstration program of grants to improve child immunization rates (Section 4204(b), p. 1200)
65.Pilot program for risk-factor assessments provided through community health centers (Section 4206, p. 1215)
66.Grant program to increase epidemiology and laboratory capacity (Section 4304, p. 1233)
67.Interagency Pain Research Coordinating Committee (Section 4305, p. 1238)
68.National Health Care Workforce Commission (Section 5101, p. 1256)
69.Grant program to plan health care workforce development activities (Section 5102(c), p. 1275)
70.Grant program to implement health care workforce development activities (Section 5102(d), p. 1279)
71.Pediatric specialty loan repayment program (Section 5203, p. 1295)
72.Public Health Workforce Loan Repayment Program (Section 5204, p. 1300)
73.Allied Health Loan Forgiveness Program (Section 5205, p. 1305)
74.Grant program to provide mid-career training for health professionals (Section 5206, p. 1307)
75.Grant program to fund nurse-managed health clinics (Section 5208, p. 1310)
76.Grant program to support primary care training programs (Section 5301, p. 1315)
77.Grant program to fund training for direct care workers (Section 5302, p. 1322)
78.Grant program to develop dental training programs (Section 5303, p. 1325)
79.Demonstration program to increase access to dental health care in underserved communities (Section 5304, p. 1331)
80.Grant program to promote geriatric education centers (Section 5305, p. 1334)
81.Grant program to promote health professionals entering geriatrics (Section 5305, p. 1339)
82.Grant program to promote training in mental and behavioral health (Section 5306, p. 1344)
83.Grant program to promote nurse retention programs (Section 5309, p. 1354)
84.Student loan forgiveness for nursing school faculty (Section 5311(b), p. 1360)
85.Grant program to promote positive health behaviors and outcomes (Section 5313, p. 1364)
86.Public Health Sciences Track for medical students (Section 5315, p. 1372)
87.Primary Care Extension Program to educate providers (Section 5405, p. 1404)
88.Grant program for demonstration projects to address health workforce shortage needs (Section 5507, p. 1442)
89.Grant program for demonstration projects to develop training programs for home health aides (Section 5507, p. 1447)
90.Grant program to establish new primary care residency programs (Section 5508(a), p. 1458)
91.Program of payments to teaching health centers that sponsor medical residency training (Section 5508(c), p. 1462)
92.Graduate nurse education demonstration program (Section 5509, p. 1472)
93.Grant program to establish demonstration projects for community-based mental health settings (Section 5604, p. 1486)
94.Commission on Key National Indicators (Section 5605, p. 1489)
95.Quality assurance and performance improvement program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 6102, p. 1554)
96.Special focus facility program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 6103(a)(3), p. 1561)
97.Special focus facility program for nursing facilities (Section 6103(b)(3), p. 1568)
98.National independent monitor pilot program for skilled nursing facilities and nursing facilities (Section 6112, p. 1589)
99.Demonstration projects for nursing facilities involved in the culture change movement (Section 6114, p. 1597)
100.Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (Section 6301, p. 1619)
101.Standing methodology committee for Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (Section 6301, p. 1629)
102.Board of Governors for Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute (Section 6301, p. 1638)
103.Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Trust Fund (Section 6301(e), p. 1656)
104.Elder Justice Coordinating Council (Section 6703, p. 1773)
105.Advisory Board on Elder Abuse, Neglect, and Exploitation (Section 6703, p. 1776)
106.Grant program to create elder abuse forensic centers (Section 6703, p. 1783)
107.Grant program to promote continuing education for long-term care staffers (Section 6703, p. 1787)
108.Grant program to improve management practices and training (Section 6703, p. 1788)
109.Grant program to subsidize costs of electronic health records (Section 6703, p. 1791)
110.Grant program to promote adult protective services (Section 6703, p. 1796)
111.Grant program to conduct elder abuse detection and prevention (Section 6703, p. 1798)
112.Grant program to support long-term care ombudsmen (Section 6703, p. 1800)
113.National Training Institute for long-term care surveyors (Section 6703, p. 1806)
114.Grant program to fund State surveys of long-term care residences (Section 6703, p. 1809)
115.CLASS Independence Fund (Section 8002, p. 1926)
116.CLASS Independence Fund Board of Trustees (Section 8002, p. 1927)
117.CLASS Independence Advisory Council (Section 8002, p. 1931)
118.Personal Care Attendants Workforce Advisory Panel (Section 8002(c), p. 1938)
119.Multi-state health plans offered by Office of Personnel Management (Section 10104(p), p. 2086)
120.Advisory board for multi-state health plans (Section 10104(p), p. 2094)
121.Pregnancy Assistance Fund (Section 10212, p. 2164)
122.Value-based purchasing program for ambulatory surgical centers (Section 10301, p. 2176)
123.Demonstration project for payment adjustments to home health services (Section 10315, p. 2200)
124.Pilot program for care of individuals in environmental emergency declaration areas (Section 10323, p. 2223)
125.Grant program to screen at-risk individuals for environmental health conditions (Section 10323(b), p. 2231)
126.Pilot programs to implement value-based purchasing (Section 10326, p. 2242)
127.Grant program to support community-based collaborative care networks (Section 10333, p. 2265)
128.Centers for Disease Control Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
129.Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
130.Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
131.Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
132.Food and Drug Administration Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
133.Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services Office of Minority Health (Section 10334, p. 2272)
134.Grant program to promote small business wellness programs (Section 10408, p. 2285)
135.Cures Acceleration Network (Section 10409, p. 2289)
136.Cures Acceleration Network Review Board (Section 10409, p. 2291)
137.Grant program for Cures Acceleration Network (Section 10409, p. 2297)
138.Grant program to promote centers of excellence for depression (Section 10410, p. 2304)
139.Advisory committee for young women’s breast health awareness education campaign (Section 10413, p. 2322)
140.Grant program to provide assistance to provide information to young women with breast cancer (Section 10413, p. 2326)
141.Interagency Access to Health Care in Alaska Task Force (Section 10501, p. 2329)
142.Grant program to train nurse practitioners as primary care providers (Section 10501(e), p. 2332)
143.Grant program for community-based diabetes prevention (Section 10501(g), p. 2337)
144.Grant program for providers who treat a high percentage of medically underserved populations (Section 10501(k), p. 2343)
145.Grant program to recruit students to practice in underserved communities (Section 10501(l), p. 2344)
146. Community Health Center Fund (Section 10503, p. 2355)
147.Demonstration project to provide access to health care for the uninsured at reduced fees (Section 10504, p. 2357)
148.Demonstration program to explore alternatives to tort litigation (Section 10607, p. 2369)
149.Indian Health demonstration program for chronic shortages of health professionals (S. 1790, Section 112, p. 24)*
150.Office of Indian Men’s Health (S. 1790, Section 136, p. 71)*
151.Indian Country modular component facilities demonstration program (S. 1790, Section 146, p. 108)*
152.Indian mobile health stations demonstration program (S. 1790, Section 147, p. 111)*
153.Office of Direct Service Tribes (S. 1790, Section 172, p. 151)*
154.Indian Health Service mental health technician training program (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 173)*
155.Indian Health Service program for treatment of child sexual abuse victims (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 192)*
156.Indian Health Service program for treatment of domestic violence and sexual abuse (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 194)*
157.Indian youth telemental health demonstration project (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 204)*
158.Indian youth life skills demonstration project (S. 1790, Section 181, p. 220)*
159.Indian Health Service Director of HIV/AIDS Prevention and Treatment (S. 1790, Section 199B, p. 258)*

 

[Oddball]

If I were of the mindset of the Obama critics I would say Haiti.

We are talking minimal government.

If you do not want government interfering in your life, Haiti would be a great place to go.

Jeez...You have to be this stupid on purpose!

 

[Oddball]

Shut me up.

Show me a real world example.

Show me a couple of examples.

America, during the Coolidge administration.

Though I don't expect that will stop you from playing your silly little game.

There are people talking revolution because Obama has turned our nation in a tyrannical, socialist government.

He has not. An Obama led US government balances freedom, opportunity and government better than any country in the world. And the US has some of the toughest leadership challenges of any country in the world.

If he was as bad as so many are saying you would be able to rattle off many countries that are doing a better job right now.

He is merely the one who is stomping on the throttle toward a tyrannical, socialist gubmint.

He isn't balancing jack squat...He's an authoritarian tyrant of the highest order, being abetted in congress by a bunch of useful idiot tyrants.

And I already gave one example, which you conveniently ignored because you're such a brain dead knee-jerk worshiper of the Boyking that you can't get your head out of your ass.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What's the point of this stupid thread?

The point is show me a better leader, a better government, a better country than our Obama led government.

It is easy to say in a theoretical sense you can do a lot better.

Show us some real world examples.

I am taking from your response you cannot name any.

I can name about 100 without taking a breath.

Americans reject Obama's Neo-National Socialists governance and frankly, I don't give a single solitary fuck about any other government anywhere on the planet.

Obama and the Dems are rewriting the Constitution and we're going to have to work for the next 30 years to undo the damage Dems have done.

 

[Richard-H]

I am hearing many who feel Obama is creating a socialist state, taking our rights away, basically creating a tyrannical government.

To those individuals I ask what real world leader, leading a real world government in a real country is better than a Obama led government in the USA.

I am guessing you will have several countries based on the total dissatifaction with Obama.

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

Um, there were no socialists Democracies in Europe 200 years ago.

There were Monarchies. People left Europe to escape from rule by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that owned everything.

Now, liberals are fighting to prevent the complete takeover of this country by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Conservatives are fighting for a complete take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Modern democratic government is the best mechanism to stop the take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

You have things a bit backwards.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I am hearing many who feel Obama is creating a socialist state, taking our rights away, basically creating a tyrannical government.

To those individuals I ask what real world leader, leading a real world government in a real country is better than a Obama led government in the USA.

I am guessing you will have several countries based on the total dissatifaction with Obama.

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

Um, there were no socialists Democracies in Europe 200 years ago.

There were Monarchies. People left Europe to escape from rule by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that owned everything.

Now, liberals are fighting to prevent the complete takeover of this country by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Conservatives are fighting for a complete take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Modern democratic government is the best mechanism to stop the take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

You have things a bit backwards.

You may be the dumbest person in this thread and with Elmer as the OP, that's quite a feat

 

[Oddball]

I am hearing many who feel Obama is creating a socialist state, taking our rights away, basically creating a tyrannical government.

To those individuals I ask what real world leader, leading a real world government in a real country is better than a Obama led government in the USA.

I am guessing you will have several countries based on the total dissatifaction with Obama.

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

Um, there were no socialists Democracies in Europe 200 years ago.

There were Monarchies. People left Europe to escape from rule by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that owned everything.

Now, liberals are fighting to prevent the complete takeover of this country by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Conservatives are fighting for a complete take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Modern democratic government is the best mechanism to stop the take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

You have things a bit backwards.

Haven't heard so much pure unadulterated bunk in one place for quite some time now.

Democracy and one-party rule is the prime tool of socialists and other authoritarian tyrants ,who ARE the super-wealthy, you simp.

 

[JBeukema]

I am hearing many who feel Obama is creating a socialist state, taking our rights away, basically creating a tyrannical government.

To those individuals I ask what real world leader, leading a real world government in a real country is better than a Obama led government in the USA.

I am guessing you will have several countries based on the total dissatifaction with Obama.

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

The American War for Independence was rebellion against a socialist nation? Or America today has a king?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I am hearing many who feel Obama is creating a socialist state, taking our rights away, basically creating a tyrannical government.

To those individuals I ask what real world leader, leading a real world government in a real country is better than a Obama led government in the USA.

I am guessing you will have several countries based on the total dissatifaction with Obama.

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

Um, there were no socialists Democracies in Europe 200 years ago.

There were Monarchies. People left Europe to escape from rule by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that owned everything.

Now, liberals are fighting to prevent the complete takeover of this country by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Conservatives are fighting for a complete take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

Modern democratic government is the best mechanism to stop the take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything.

You have things a bit backwards.

Wrong...any idiot can see that country's evolve and their government changes. You have your fricken head up your ass if you think "Conservatives are fighting for a complete take over by a super-wealthy dictatorial elite that own everything". That's NOT what our Constitution allows for...and it certainly doesn't allow Eurotrash socialism....as will be seen in the upcoming elections.

 

[JBeukema]

What's the point of this stupid thread?

The point is show me a better leader, a better government, a better country than our Obama led government.

It is easy to say in a theoretical sense you can do a lot better.

Show us some real world examples.

I am taking from your response you cannot name any.

We are America. We are unique. We don't need to follow the example of others. We were founded to be a beacon - a unique, free society for others to emulate.... not to emulate others. Have you never read our history?

What a fucking dumbassed question.

unique how?

We're not the only democracy

we're not the only republic

we're not the only nation with a secular government

we're not the only multiracial nation

we're not the only one with nukes

many of our civil laws are based on those we inherited from British common law

unique how?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

I am hearing many who feel Obama is creating a socialist state, taking our rights away, basically creating a tyrannical government.

To those individuals I ask what real world leader, leading a real world government in a real country is better than a Obama led government in the USA.

I am guessing you will have several countries based on the total dissatifaction with Obama.

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

The American War for Independence was rebellion against a socialist nation? Or America today has a king?

What is a monarchy?

 

[JBeukema]

I am hearing many who feel Obama is creating a socialist state, taking our rights away, basically creating a tyrannical government.

To those individuals I ask what real world leader, leading a real world government in a real country is better than a Obama led government in the USA.

I am guessing you will have several countries based on the total dissatifaction with Obama.

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

The American War for Independence was rebellion against a socialist nation? Or America today has a king?

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So The British Empire was a socialist nation?

And here I thought we were fighting against a king!

You'd better tell all the world's historians they got it wrong, pete.

 

[JBeukema]

I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

The American War for Independence was rebellion against a socialist nation? Or America today has a king?

What is a monarchy?

Not a representative democracy like the U.S.

Or are you claiming that Bush is still the King?

 

[bucs90]

What's the point of this stupid thread?

The point is show me a better leader, a better government, a better country than our Obama led government.

It is easy to say in a theoretical sense you can do a lot better.

Show us some real world examples.

I am taking from your response you cannot name any.

Would you settle for an a la carte example? Bits from other nations:

Israel on self defense. Everyone knows Israel does not f**k around. They defend themselves fiercly, regardless of the political correctness. They are brutal at self defense. We should mimic that. And, in the past, we often have.

Borders? How about 2: Arizona and MEXICO. Arizona state government is heroic for what they just did. For a country? Try Mexico. They are fierce at defending their Southern border. Sometimes people can be killed by Mexican military for attempting to smuggle into Mexico from the South (ironic, isn't it?). We should mimic that, and secure our borders as fiercly as Mexico does it's Southern border.

Taxes? Well, last I hear we were about #10-15 on list of least taxed nations. But the big daddy socialist movement is widespread, so not sure who is better than us on taxes. But after 8 years of Obama are over, I'd say there will be 40-50 nations with lower tax rates.

Infrastructure? This is one area I'd say we are behind one. Our roadways and bridges are crippled. A few Euro nations have far better conditioned roadways. Of course, they drive less, and since we protect them they can use tax money on that rather than defense. If we could cut some of our welfare entitlement programs, more could go to roads.

Education? Pick one. China. Japan. England. South Korea. Our public, government run education system is a failure. It should be privatized immediately, and is a perfect example of why the government cannot do anything well except train men with guns to defend us.

And honestly, defense, borders, modest taxes and infrastructure are about the only government functions I really believe should exist.

 

[Mr Natural]

If I were of the mindset of the Obama critics I would say Haiti.

We are talking minimal government.

If you do not want government interfering in your life, Haiti would be a great place to go.

At least they don't have any of those pesky government mandated building codes.

 

[California Girl]

The point is show me a better leader, a better government, a better country than our Obama led government.

It is easy to say in a theoretical sense you can do a lot better.

Show us some real world examples.

I am taking from your response you cannot name any.

We are America. We are unique. We don't need to follow the example of others. We were founded to be a beacon - a unique, free society for others to emulate.... not to emulate others. Have you never read our history?

What a fucking dumbassed question.

Show me a country that gives you more freedoms, more gun rights, more opportunity, a better taxation system.

SHOW ME.

The US has leadership challenges most countries do not; over 300 million people, a very diverse population, the highest standard of living to maintain.

This perfect government you want could be realized easier in a smaller less diverse country.

Show me something close.

There are no examples of what America could or should be, idiot. Because there is no country like us on earth. How stupid can you be?

I have heard not one person speak of a 'perfect' government, just a Constitutional one - a limited one and.... an HONEST one. Is that too much to ask? That our nation function on its founding principles and not to emulate a bunch of no-mark nations in the EU?

 

[JBeukema]

Show me a country that gives you more freedoms

1 Hong Kong 89.7 -0.3 2 Singapore 86.1 -1.0 3 Australia 82.6 0.0 4 New Zealand 82.1 0.1 5 Ireland 81.3 -0.9 6 Switzerland 81.1 1.7 7 Canada 80.4 -0.1 8 United States 78.0 -2.7 9 Denmark 77.9 -1.7 10 Chile 77.2 -1.1

Index of Economic Freedom: Link Between Economic Opportunity and Prosperity | The Heritage Foundation


World Press Freedom Index 2009 - The rankings
Rank Country Note
1 Denmark 0,00 􀀁􀀁
_ Finland 0,00 􀀁
_ Ireland 0,00 􀀁
_ Norway 0,00 =
_ Sweden 0,00 􀀁
6 Estonia 0,50 􀀁
7 Netherlands 1,00 􀀁
_ Switzerland 1,00 =
9 Iceland 2,00 􀀁
10 Lithuania 2,25 􀀁
11 Belgium 2,50 􀀁
_ Malta 2,50 NC
13 Austria 3,00 􀀁
_ Latvia 3,00 􀀁
_ New Zealand 3,00 􀀁
16 Australia 3,13 􀀁􀀁
17 Japan 3,25 􀀁􀀁
18 Germany 3,50 􀀁
19 Canada 3,70 􀀁
20 Luxembourg 4,00 􀀁􀀁
_ United Kingdom 4,00 􀀁
_ United States of America

http://en.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/classement_en.pdf

, more gun rights,

somalia?

more opportunity

see the first point

, a better taxation system.

Please define the characteristics that mark a desirable tax system in your opinion
SHOW ME.

The US has leadership challenges most countries do not; over 300 million people, a very diverse population,

mole sua

the highest standard of living to maintain.

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Norway 0.971 ▲ 0.001 2 ▬

Australia 0.970 ▲ 0.002 3 ▬

Iceland 0.969 ▲ 0.002 4 ▬

Canada 0.966 ▲ 0.001 5 ▬

Ireland 0.965 ▲ 0.001 6 ▲ (1)

Netherlands 0.964 ▲ 0.003 7 ▼ (1)

Sweden 0.963 ▲ 0.002 8 ▲ (3)

France 0.961 ▲ 0.003 9 ▬

Switzerland 0.960 ▲ 0.001 10 ▬

Japan 0.960 ▲ 0.002 11 ▼ (3)

Luxembourg 0.960 ▲ 0.001 12 ▲ (1)

Finland 0.959 ▲ 0.004 13 ▼ (1)

United States

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I think you may have missed this point. Americans left Europe more than 200 years ago to escape that form of government. Now we are trying to become just like them and America doesn't want a Socialist Democracy....we want a Republic!!!

The American War for Independence was rebellion against a socialist nation? Or America today has a king?

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So The British Empire was a socialist nation?

And here I thought we were fighting against a king!

You'd better tell all the world's historians they got it wrong, pete.

Yes...the British Empire was socialist in nature...all one has to do is look at what a monarchy is and then see the many parallels between the 2 forms of government. I may be guilty of a poor choice of words but my original post wasn't even close to deserving the neg rep that you sent me before I returned the favor. You don't like getting it back? Too fucking bad whiny ass crybaby.