CDZ What kind of money maker is Trump

[Boss]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

 

[Elvis Obama]

Pfff. Nonsense, as is everything concerning Mr. Trump is nonsense.

1- His wealth is his sole qualification for the office he is seeking.
2- No one has any idea how much money he started out with. His inheritance is estimated to have been between 40-200 million dollars.
3- No one has any idea how much money he has now. Estimates range from less than a billion to his own, high-end, 10 billion dollars.
4- If the higher estimates of his inheritance are true, and the low end estimates of his current wealth are true, then he has done terribly, far below the S&P Index average. Flip those figures and he's done very well.

There is nothing stupider or more dangerous on this earth than certitude backed up with nothing but emotional bias. There is nothing stupider than people who don't know the difference between the things they know and the things they do not. Trump's gonna kick Hillary's butt! My dad can beat up your dad! Riiight. Very impressive.

The American electorate is astonishingly ignorant. As a consequence the electoral process has been dumbed down to where it is an appalling circus. Now we've taken a further step down. Instead of electing would-be ringmasters, we're electing the clowns. Temperament, maturity, gravitas, hell simple dignity, has been thrown on the ash heap of history. Let's elect Trump! After all, he's told us how huge his fortune and his penis are! What more could you want!

 

[Correll]

When Donald Trump was in college, his father gave him $1 million to purchase an apartment complex. He sold the complex 10 years later for $10 million. He has since had much more lucrative deals but that was where he got his start. He did inherit his father's assets upon his passing, as do most children, and it was a considerable amount but Trump was already very wealthy by then.

He did not "survive bankruptcy" at any time, personally. He chose to use bankruptcy laws four times to liquidate corporate assets. In one case, he literally bought a company one week, reviewed the books and filed for bankruptcy the next week. Business people use the bankruptcy law all the time to their advantage... it's not as "negative" as it sounds to us laymen.

Donald survived the economic collapse in Atlantic City by getting out while the getting was good. He sold his casino assets there because he saw the writing on the wall ahead of most. That's what you see a pattern of with Trump. He stays a step or two ahead of the game, as do most very successful people. This is why it's just patently boneheaded stupid to think you can ever "punish" the rich. You're just not smart enough or fast enough to do it... they are always a couple steps ahead of anything you try. By the time you implement whatever governmental scheme you come up with, they have already checked out. Who you end up hurting the most are those who are trying to gain an edge and become wealthy. They get caught in the cracks and left holding the bag.

Trump has had some failures... this happens sometimes when you're wheeling and dealing in the kinds of money deals he makes. But failure doesn't really bother successful people. They take it in stride and move on to the next deal. They don't face a failure by curling up in the fetal position and turning themselves into helpless victims. People like this do not listen to the negativity of others... when someone says.. Oh, you can never do that... or You can't make that happen... that's just a challenge to them. They don't take it to heart. You'd be very surprised at how many times they defy all odds and make things happen because they simply had the vision to make it happen regardless of the naysayers. It's 95% attitude.

I posted recently about my latest venture. I am happily retired but I like to stay busy... I had the opportunity to purchase a couple of old buildings in the "downtown" section of a small little ghost town where nothing was happening in terms of commerce. I traded some stock which will reach maturity next year and be worth about $20k. So I own these two old buildings outright... now what to do with them? I had some other deals going on the barter exchange and I ended up with about $10k worth of restaurant equipment, so I decided to open a Bistro. Now, I cannot tell you how many people looked at me as if I were crazy.. A bistro, in THIS economy? In a Podunk little dead town? YES! And I am going to serve upscale French, Italian and German cuisine!

Next month will be a year since I purchased the buildings and the bistro has been open for a few months. We're doing great business... around $2k per day, maybe a little more on weekends. There's no place else to go, nothing else to do there. We're the big fish in a little pond. People are coming in from 50-60 miles away because they've heard about us. We just hired an executive chef. We're getting 5-star reviews. In the second building (next door) I put, inside the building, an old trolley car. It's a small intimate music hall where we feature live music and host events. We got included in the National Dinning Car Registry and we've been getting people from all over coming in... we're about a mile off the interstate.

Last week, I had an offer to buy the place for $175k. I've not decided if I am going to sell or not... the point is, where would I have been if I had followed conventional wisdom? If I had listened to the naysayers who said it would never fly? We're across the street from the railroad tracks, a train comes blowing through about every 20 minutes... people love it! We can't serve alcohol, it's a dry county... but people flock to our place to listen to live music... again, there is nowhere else to go. We serve Irish coffee and artisan deserts... people love it!

He chose to use bankruptcy laws four times to liquidate corporate assets.
This is inaccurate, he filed chapter 11 four times. He did not liquidate assets and pay off his debts, he had the debts restructured to bail his sorry ass out. And it's not like he had a choice, he was buried in debt that he could not otherwise pay back, debt that was largely the result of issuing junk bonds in the case of the Taj Mahal.

In one case, he literally bought a company one week, reviewed the books and filed for bankruptcy the next week.
? I must have missed that one, can you elaborate.

He sold his casino assets there because he saw the writing on the wall ahead of most.
He lost most of his casino assets in the four different chapter 11 processes.

That's what you see a pattern of with Trump. He stays a step or two ahead of the game, as do most very successful people.
I see a pattern alright but it isn't a good one. He started a mortgage company just as the housing bubble was about to pop. Genius.

Business people use the bankruptcy law all the time to their advantage... it's not as "negative" as it sounds to us laymen.
But the business person in question is running for the highest office in the land. To say that four chapter 11s in the span of 25 years is not a negative on the resume of someone who touts their business acumen as worthy of presidential consideration is a bit disingenuous. The case of the Taj Mahal on its own merit should raise alarm concerning Trump's intuitions.

I thought the Party Line was that business experience is irrelevant to the job of running a government?

Have you run this alternate attack past the local Party Boss?

 

[Tehon]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

I'm not here to paint Trump as an evil capitalist pig. I am here to set the record straight about his failures as a business executive, which wouldn't even be necessary if you were to have characterized the man's dealings in a less biased manner. You posted a fairy tale....of course you are going to get called on it. The guy wants to be president, an honest discourse about the man's business acumen and character should be welcome by all voters. So it is fair to point out that the Taj Mahal went into bankruptcy due largely to the issuance of junk bonds. Just as it is fair to point out that in 2002 the SEC slapped him on the wrist for filing a fraudulent earnings report in '99. Trump Hotels and Casinos was a perennial under performer on the stock exchange, so he attempted to make his earnings look rosier than they were and got caught, oops.
Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, Inc.: Admin. Proc. Rel. No. 34-45287 / January 16, 2002

 

[Boss]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

I'm not here to paint Trump as an evil capitalist pig. I am here to set the record straight about his failures as a business executive, which wouldn't even be necessary if you were to have characterized the man's dealings in a less biased manner. You posted a fairy tale....of course you are going to get called on it. The guy wants to be president, an honest discourse about the man's business acumen and character should be welcome by all voters. So it is fair to point out that the Taj Mahal went into bankruptcy due largely to the issuance of junk bonds. Just as it is fair to point out that in 2002 the SEC slapped him on the wrist for filing a fraudulent earnings report in '99. Trump Hotels and Casinos was a perennial under performer on the stock exchange, so he attempted to make his earnings look rosier than they were and got caught, oops.
Trump Hotels & Casino Resorts, Inc.: Admin. Proc. Rel. No. 34-45287 / January 16, 2002

Hey, if that's all you have it ain't much.... Can we talk "cattle futures" and "whitewater land deals" here? Again... I am NOT a Trump fan... I am currently arguing my ass off in another thread with idiotic Trump supporters who are smearing and slimming Cruz, who I admire and support. But that said... IF Trump wins the nomination and faces Hillary... you better find another strategy. You do not want an honest discourse on business acumen and character.... believe me.

 

[320 Years of History]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

What's unethical is always debatable, but FWIW, here are two examples:

• DONALD TRUMP v. TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN
• Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex

There is, of course, also the pending Trump University matter.

It's worth noting that it's somewhat difficult to pin "stuff" on Mr. Trump, IMO, because he tends to bring cases against others rather than the other way round. Other than the Trump U. matter, I don't know of any alleged misdoings, but that one pretty squarely meets the standard of "illegal and unethical" in my opinion.

 

[Boss]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

What's unethical is always debatable, but FWIW, here are two examples:

• DONALD TRUMP v. TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN
• Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex

There is, of course, also the pending Trump University matter.

It's worth noting that it's somewhat difficult to pin "stuff" on Mr. Trump, IMO, because he tends to bring cases against others rather than the other way round. Other than the Trump U. matter, I don't know of any alleged misdoings, but that one pretty squarely meets the standard of "illegal and unethical" in my opinion.

Except that it's a civil case and he is going to win. It's big news because it's still a pending case that he hasn't settled and doesn't plan to settle. The other example is a long-recanted story by his ex wife who was after more money and pretty much admitted that's what it was. So again... you're left with nothing much.

I'll say it again... you better start thinking up a new strategy. Attacking Trump on ethics and character is a loser for Hillary.

 

[Agit8r]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

What's unethical is always debatable, but FWIW, here are two examples:

• DONALD TRUMP v. TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN
• Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex

There is, of course, also the pending Trump University matter.

It's worth noting that it's somewhat difficult to pin "stuff" on Mr. Trump, IMO, because he tends to bring cases against others rather than the other way round. Other than the Trump U. matter, I don't know of any alleged misdoings, but that one pretty squarely meets the standard of "illegal and unethical" in my opinion.

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

 

[320 Years of History]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

What's unethical is always debatable, but FWIW, here are two examples:

• DONALD TRUMP v. TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN
• Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex

There is, of course, also the pending Trump University matter.

It's worth noting that it's somewhat difficult to pin "stuff" on Mr. Trump, IMO, because he tends to bring cases against others rather than the other way round. Other than the Trump U. matter, I don't know of any alleged misdoings, but that one pretty squarely meets the standard of "illegal and unethical" in my opinion.

Except that it's a civil case and he is going to win. It's big news because it's still a pending case that he hasn't settled and doesn't plan to settle. The other example is a long-recanted story by his ex wife who was after more money and pretty much admitted that's what it was. So again... you're left with nothing much.

I'll say it again... you better start thinking up a new strategy. Attacking Trump on ethics and character is a loser for Hillary.

I believe for three main reasons that it's a difficult case for Mrs. Clinton to make successfully in the "court of public morals/ethics."

• Mrs. Clinton has enough of her own ethically complex "issues" that the general public is too ignorant of ethical systems to judge them.
• Regardless of whether she's committed ethical misdeeds or not, there's no way all the relevant details of those issues can be presented in the public forum she's in, namely a political election. There's no way in hell she'd have the opportunity to present her case in anything resembling an thoughtfully organized manner, say, as a dialectic argument, yet that's what it would take to arrive at a well considered and predominantly accurate conclusion for such matters.
• Any "back and forth" between her and her GOP opponent would devolve into their "doin' the dozens" and talking about "who struck John," and she's lousy at both.

 

[320 Years of History]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

What's unethical is always debatable, but FWIW, here are two examples:

• DONALD TRUMP v. TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN
• Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex

There is, of course, also the pending Trump University matter.

It's worth noting that it's somewhat difficult to pin "stuff" on Mr. Trump, IMO, because he tends to bring cases against others rather than the other way round. Other than the Trump U. matter, I don't know of any alleged misdoings, but that one pretty squarely meets the standard of "illegal and unethical" in my opinion.

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

Off Topic:
I'm not convinced most Trumpeteers do much deep thinking in the first place. That doesn't address Boss' point for he's said he's not a Trumpeteer.

 

[jwoodie]

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

Keep guessing. One of these times you're going to get it right.

 

[Correll]

Not interested in your rhetoric. Not going to be baited into a personal tit-for-tat in a CDZ thread. You can post links to evidence that Trump broke some law or did something unethical and corrupt if you have anything like that... I've not ever seen it. What I keep hearing from you and people like you is a bunch of left-wing trumped up nonsense that plays on your continuing meme of "hate the capitalist pigs" because you want us to be a Socialist government.

I think your jig is up, everyone knows what you're doing and how you're doing it. You can keep trying to push this sort of thing.. I actually hope you will if Hillary wins the nomination because Trump will bury her in such a campaign. She is so up to her eyeballs in REAL crony capitalist scandal that you're going to get that sick feeling in your stomach when it starts getting revealed in the general. And I'm going to relish every single humiliating second of that.

What's unethical is always debatable, but FWIW, here are two examples:

• DONALD TRUMP v. TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN
• Ex-Wife: Donald Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex

There is, of course, also the pending Trump University matter.

It's worth noting that it's somewhat difficult to pin "stuff" on Mr. Trump, IMO, because he tends to bring cases against others rather than the other way round. Other than the Trump U. matter, I don't know of any alleged misdoings, but that one pretty squarely meets the standard of "illegal and unethical" in my opinion.

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

Off Topic:
I'm not convinced most Trumpeteers do much deep thinking in the first place. That doesn't address Boss' point for he's said he's not a Trumpeteer.

Query: Doesn't anyone really believe he thought about it "deeply" before he came to the "conclusion" that Trump supporters don't do much deep thinking?

Liberals. All the self awareness of a turnip.

 

[Agit8r]

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

Keep guessing. One of these times you're going to get it right.

Have you taken a poll?

Trump distances himself from top aide's rape comment - CNNPolitics.com

 

[320 Years of History]

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

Off Topic:
I'm not convinced most Trumpeteers do much deep thinking in the first place. ...

Query: Doesn't anyone really believe he thought about it "deeply" before he came to the "conclusion" that Trump supporters don't do much deep thinking?

Liberals. All the self awareness of a turnip.

Off Topic:
Well that just goes to show you how much you didn't think about what you shared. Read what I wrote and you'll find that I didn't express conclusiveness; I expressed uncertainty.

Yours is now the second post in as many days that I've encountered that issues from one who has misinterpreted really simple words/phrases ("not convinced" in this case), taking them as though they mean something they do not. That behavior pattern, I suspect, is correlated either to Internet forums in general or to USMB specifically. I don't know which or why. I know that in "the real world" I encounter people whose views differ from mine, but almost never do I come by folks who just misunderstand/misinterpret what I say.

FWIW, one cannot conclude upon "whatever" until one is convinced, until one is certain.

• Conclusion
• Convince
• Certain

It may take more evidence for one person to conclude than it does for another to do so, but neither arrives at a conclusion until they are certain, until they are convinced.

 

[Correll]

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

Off Topic:
I'm not convinced most Trumpeteers do much deep thinking in the first place. ...

Query: Doesn't anyone really believe he thought about it "deeply" before he came to the "conclusion" that Trump supporters don't do much deep thinking?

Liberals. All the self awareness of a turnip.

Off Topic:
Well that just goes to show you how much you didn't think about what you shared. Read what I wrote and you'll find that I didn't express conclusiveness; I expressed uncertainty.

Yours is now the second post in as many days that I've encountered that issues from one who has misinterpreted really simple words/phrases ("not convinced" in this case), taking them as though they mean something they do not. That behavior pattern, I suspect, is correlated either to Internet forums in general or to USMB specifically. I don't know which or why. I know that in "the real world" I encounter people whose views differ from mine, but almost never do I come by folks who just misunderstand/misinterpret what I say.

FWIW, one cannot conclude upon "whatever" until one is convinced, until one is certain.

• Conclusion
• Convince
• Certain

It may take more evidence for one person to conclude than it does for another to do so, but neither arrives at a conclusion until they are certain, until they are convinced.

Are you claiming to actually be open to the idea that Trump supporters ACTUALLY DO "DEEP THINKING"?

 

[320 Years of History]

Do Trump supporters consider spousal rape to be a crime? I'm going to guess that most do not.

Off Topic:
I'm not convinced most Trumpeteers do much deep thinking in the first place. ...

Query: Doesn't anyone really believe he thought about it "deeply" before he came to the "conclusion" that Trump supporters don't do much deep thinking?

Liberals. All the self awareness of a turnip.

Off Topic:
Well that just goes to show you how much you didn't think about what you shared. Read what I wrote and you'll find that I didn't express conclusiveness; I expressed uncertainty.

Yours is now the second post in as many days that I've encountered that issues from one who has misinterpreted really simple words/phrases ("not convinced" in this case), taking them as though they mean something they do not. That behavior pattern, I suspect, is correlated either to Internet forums in general or to USMB specifically. I don't know which or why. I know that in "the real world" I encounter people whose views differ from mine, but almost never do I come by folks who just misunderstand/misinterpret what I say.

FWIW, one cannot conclude upon "whatever" until one is convinced, until one is certain.

• Conclusion
• Convince
• Certain

It may take more evidence for one person to conclude than it does for another to do so, but neither arrives at a conclusion until they are certain, until they are convinced.

Are you claiming to actually be open to the idea that Trump supporters ACTUALLY DO "DEEP THINKING"?

I must necessarily be open to that idea seeing as I am not certain about whether they do so.