What is Zionism?

[MrAlwaysRight]

Some will try to tell you that Zionism is merely the right of Israel to exist.
Is there anyone who disagrees?

But, "by their actions they shall be judged":

Words of the Zionists - Today's Quote
David Ben Gurion
Ben Gurion is considered one of the three founding figures of Zionism beside Chaim Weizmann and Herzl.

A month after the Nazi pogrom against Germany's Jews, famously known as Kristallnacht, he stated on December 7, 1938: "If I knew it was possible to save all [Jewish] children of Germany by their transfer to England and only half of them by transferring them to Eretz-Yisrael, I would choose the latter----because we are faced not only with the accounting of these [Jewish] children but also with the historical accounting of the Jewish People."
Righteous Victims, p. 162

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As my original post states, the quote is from Righteous Victims, found on p. 162.

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[Ariux]

Zionism is a kind of nazism, a belief in a nationalist, socialist utopia for one specific race -- complete with brutality against and exploitation of all other races.

 

[jillian]

Zionism is a kind of nazism, a belief in a nationalist, socialist utopia for one specific race -- complete with brutality against and exploitation of all other races.

no.

but keep trolling the board, anti-semite

 

[Truthseeker420]

The meaning of the word Zionism or the true intentions of Zionism and Zionists?

 

[Jos]

Traditional Jews Are Not Zionists

Although there are those who refuse to accept the teachings of our Rabbis and will continue to support the Zionist state, there are also many who are totally unaware of the history of Zionism and its contradiction to the beliefs of Torah-True Jews.

True Torah Jews Against Zionism

 

[MrAlwaysRight]

Zionism is a kind of nazism, a belief in a nationalist, socialist utopia for one specific race -- complete with brutality against and exploitation of all other races.

no.

but keep trolling the board, anti-semite

As a board moderator, you shouldn't be harrassing people - especially when they tell the truth!

 

[Ariux]

Zionism is a kind of nazism, a belief in a nationalist, socialist utopia for one specific race -- complete with brutality against and exploitation of all other races.

no.

but keep trolling the board, anti-semite

...said a lapdog of jewish nazism.

 

[irosie91]

Zionism is a kind of nazism, a belief in a nationalist, socialist utopia for one specific race -- complete with brutality against and exploitation of all other races.

In REALITY-----The most totalitarian ideologies also "UTOPIAN" and fully responsible for virtually all the people murdered by genocide are the ideology of the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE of constantine and its offshoot sects and the ideology of the RAPIST PIG OF MECCA For a study of the world's filth----read the JUSTINIAN CODE----THE PACT OF OMAR and the NUREMBURG LAWS-------they are virtually identical in regard to the treatment of those people who refuse to worship their concept of "god"

Judaism and zionism also describe a UTOPIA but it is virtually the ONLY UTOPIA that is inclusive rather than exclusive In the jewish "utopia" all people of all nations are entitled to share in world peace etc brought about in the "days after..." For a description of zionism and the jewish concept of utopia -----READ ISAIAH 2:4 (one of the prophets of the bible) That particular "prophecy" or poem----describes both zionism and the issue of UTOPIA in a period of time described a bit vaguely as something like "after"---some "happening" The idea of some future happening is common to utopian ideologies-----the communists used to say "comes the revolution" A very prominent aspect of the "prophecy" is that "ALL NATIONS" take part------but it does not describe the ERRADICATION of the concept of different nations as do the ideologies of the fascists-----such as CONSTANTINE, NAZIS, COMMUNISTS, MECCAISTS

 

[Ariux]

Judaism and zionism also describe a UTOPIA but it is virtually the ONLY UTOPIA that is inclusive rather than exclusive

Thanks for a textbook demonstration of The Big Lie. From wikipedia, The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.

The more shitheads like you talk, the more they show the nazi nature of zionism. Zionism by definition is a national homeland for the jewish race. But, in a colossal lie, you say zionism is inclusive.

In the jewish "utopia" all people of all nations are entitled to share in world peace etc brought about in the "days after..." For a description of zionism and the jewish concept of utopia -----READ ISAIAH 2:4

Isaiah 2:4 describes a Jew-free world. Let me know when Israel dismantles their weapons of war.

 

[there4eyeM]

Jewish race?

You mean, like in the Olympics?

 

[there4eyeM]

I have always considered the US as a very good homeland for Jews; also, everyone else.

 

[irosie91]

I have always considered the US as a very good homeland for Jews; also, everyone else.

The US is a very good land for all people------I agree with you----there is no need for a MECCA it is a fascist vestige of a barbaric people -----the world has no need of it

 

[there4eyeM]

Not fascist (the word is over-used).

No more barbaric than any other group(s) in history (some people consider it barbaric that the richest nation in all time has starving and uncared-for citizens in its ranks).

What country does the world 'need'?

It seems like a very dangerous situation that many people who consider themselves Jewish have placed themselves in.

 

[irosie91]

Not fascist (the word is over-used).

No more barbaric than any other group(s) in history (some people consider it barbaric that the richest nation in all time has starving and uncared-for citizens in its ranks).

What country does the world 'need'?

It seems like a very dangerous situation that many people who consider themselves Jewish have placed themselves in.

you are a bit confused I have described MECCA as "fascist" I do not "overuse" the word Perhaps you do not know-----NO NON-MUSLIM is permitted to set foot in MECCA. One has to PROVE he is a muslim in order to go to that city. Is this point significant? In fact it is---historically ---Mecca was a very important city in the all important trade routes ----west to east and east to west. It was---back then VERY ETHNICALLY DIVERSE ------Interestingly enough----Jerusalem was an important city in trade----but not even close to MECCA in impact The comprehensive ethnic cleansing of Mecca----and PERSISTENT STRICT ENFORCEMENT thereof is the EPITOME of FASCISM for the entire planet -----as a symbol------of course today mecca is not important to trade at all--------the only thing Mecca is good for is as a nidus for pathogens and world epidemics -----but as a symbol of FASCISM----nothing beats it

No other people support or enforce such a symbol In fact there are laws in jewish jursiprudence which OUT LAW----exclusion from Jerusalem Benares is a city holy to Hindus------I can go there and so can you Anyone can jump into the Ganges for a holy bath

 

[there4eyeM]

Sorry!

The use of the term 'a Mecca' threw me. I took the post to be criticizing Israel. If it had simply been the name of the city, I would have understood.

Saudi Arabia is a monarchy. That form of government is already bad enough; no need to stretch another word over it.

 

[irosie91]

The use of the term 'a Mecca' threw me. If it had simply been the name of the city, I would have understood.

Saudi Arabia is a monarchy. That form of government is already bad enough; no need to stretch another word over it.

The fact that Saudi arabia is a MONARCHY is no issue at all Kuwait is a monarchy too and so is England Saudi arabia is the "HOLY LAND OF ISLAM" and its place of origin It is SHARIAH LAW ADHERENT If you do not wish to know anything about islam-----you can ignore Saudi arabia If you wish to know anything at all about what an MUSLIM SOCIETY IS------you need to know something about Saudi arabia You can also get to know something about YEMEN----which is also a Shariah adherent land-----if there is anything you want to know----ask me-----my husband was born there. Yemen did have a king fairly recently-----but he was deposed------now they have "presidents" President Saleh was recenly deposed-----actually he fled for his life

The exclusion of all non muslims from Mecca has nothing to do with the Saudi king. It is SHARIAH and KORANIC LAW The word FASCIST is very useful if used correctly

 

[there4eyeM]

Fascist means power and force represented by the state. A religious dictatorship might use the state for force, but its ultimate reference would be to its moral code, not the state.

 

[irosie91]

Fascist means power and force represented by the state. A religious dictatorship might use the state for force, but its ultimate reference would be to its moral code, not the state.

You know nothing about Islamic law or its history ---and you are quite vague about
a definition of moral code. The moral code of islam is based on the concept of A TOTALITARIAN STATE The CALIPH is successor to MUHUMMAD and virtually infallible. Rebellion against the CALIPH in word or deed (no matter how slight---like spitting on the ground after saying his name) is the CAPITAL CRIME OF BLASPHEMY.

Have you never wondered why critisizing the government in shariah adherent societies is consider a CRIME ? now you know---it is something like BLASPHEMY.

 

[there4eyeM]

You confirm what I said; the ultimate authority is a religion, not an ideology. The effect may be the same, agreed, but it is 'the word of the creator' and, so, 'right' (according, of course, to those who adhere). The state may be totalitarian, monarchic or otherwise. True, today not all monarchies are authoritarian, merely 'silly'.
I am certainly not endorsing any religious extremism and am part of no religion.

 

[Billo_Really]

In the jewish "utopia" all people of all nations are entitled to share in world peace

Yeah, we can tell from your posts, all people are welcome.