What is this thing about "Blame it on Canada"?

I agree, when the U.S. takes another hit from the extremists (God forbid), I myself wouldn't be shocked to hear they entered the states through Canada to begin with, we are putting the nations safety to the side for the sake of being politically correct. ;)
rtwngAvngr said:
Is defining yourselves as something "other than" america worth the future cost of allowing western freedoms and ideals to be subverted from within your own borders?
 
greeneyez1029 said:
I agree, when the U.S. takes another hit from the extremists (God forbid), I myself wouldn't be shocked to hear they entered the states through Canada to begin with, we are putting the nations safety to the side for the sake of being politically correct. ;)

How is Canada's security being compromised by adopting multiculturalism?

It would seem to me that a multi-ethnic population where no one group feels oppressed would be preferential from a stability point of view, to one where an ethnic minority feels oppressed. I don't think I've ever heard of a happy terrorist.

Security does not occur by selecting which ethnic group should be allowed in Canada, security occurs with stronger port of entry and border controls, intelligence spending as well as increased immigration background screening.
 
greeneyez1029 said:
I agree, when the U.S. takes another hit from the extremists (God forbid), I myself wouldn't be shocked to hear they entered the states through Canada to begin with, we are putting the nations safety to the side for the sake of being politically correct. ;)


Yes. Welcome to the board greeneyez1029. I had been wondering if there were any reasonable canadians. My faith is restored!
 
Isaac Brock said:
How is Canada's security being compromised by adopting multiculturalism?
Multiculturalism says Muslims at the airport should not receive more scrutiny than white natives. They call it profiling and make it a crime. Any nitwit knows if you were serious about fighting terror you would profile.
It would seem to me that a multi-ethnic population where no one group feels oppressed would be preferential from a stability point of view, to one where an ethnic minority feels oppressed. I don't think I've ever heard of a happy terrorist.
That "feeling" of being oppressed is too subjective. People are hypersensitized to being offended, by the pc movement as a matter of fact. People are taught by libs to feel offended at the very mention of or sight of ideas or symbols deemed politically undesirable. It's crappy liberalism, socialist thought control, groupthink, it's doubleplusungood.
 
Speaking as a grandaughter of Italian immigrants, I agree it's a good thing in many ways, however extremists that are gaining entry to this country are abusing what it was meant for, and out of political correctness we are giving far too much access to this country, and not enough focus is going into our own security, and that lack of effort is exactly what these extremists count on when operating within a terrorist cell..
Isaac Brock said:
Terrorism dressed up as multiculturalism? Hardly. Canadian multiculturalism is the backbone of our country. Were Canada to forgo it, we might as well just join the United States, as the cultural and societal differences between would be too little for any of our citizens to know it.

Inr reality it works remarkably well. We have nowhere near the ethnic tensions of other countries. Our minorities generally add to the Canadian economy filling in both high tech, academic jobs as well as low end positions. The wide variety of different backgrounds improves has become the fabric of our culture including culinary traditions, entertainment and art. While no system is perfect, I've seen the alternatives and, frankly, they're somewhat un-Canadian.

I ask you what would Canada be without people like David Suzuki, Michael Odaatje, Portia White and countless others? Or without the Kensington and Grandville Market? Or the Chinese restaurant that is in almost every small town that followed the CN/CP rail? Or the Filipino nurses that represent a significant portion of our medical profession?

I don't wish my point to come across to you with a chip on my shoulder, but the Canada in which you describe, doesn't seem to me like Canada at all.
 
No, security occurs when we question who it is asking for access to our country.
A happy terrorist is an undisturbed terrorist....
Isaac Brock said:
How is Canada's security being compromised by adopting multiculturalism?

It would seem to me that a multi-ethnic population where no one group feels oppressed would be preferential from a stability point of view, to one where an ethnic minority feels oppressed. I don't think I've ever heard of a happy terrorist.

Security does not occur by selecting which ethnic group should be allowed in Canada, security occurs with stronger port of entry and border controls, intelligence spending as well as increased immigration background screening.
 
Thank you, I am not saying to throw Muslims clean out of Canada, I just feel more effort should be made to flush the ones that mean us and our neighbors harm out. Why wait for another 9/11 to occur? Everyone knows it's coming it's just a matter of when.
rtwngAvngr said:
Yes. Welcome to the board greeneyez1029. I had been wondering if there were any reasonable canadians. My faith is restored!
 
I agree , we are allow their rights to supercede our national safety, and that is wrong on all levels. There are moderate Muslims that live here and live in peace, questioning ones coming into the country for our safety benefits them as well.
rtwngAvngr said:
Multiculturalism says Muslims at the airport should not receive more scrutiny than white natives. They call it profiling and make it a crime. Any nitwit knows if you were serious about fighting terror you would profile.

That "feeling" of being oppressed is too subjective. People are hypersensitized to being offended, by the pc movement as a matter of fact. People are taught by libs to feel offended at the very mention of or sight of ideas or symbols deemed politically undesirable. It's crappy liberalism, socialist thought control, groupthink, it's doubleplusungood.
 
greeneyez1029 said:
I agree , we are allow their rights to supercede our national safety, and that is wrong on all levels. There are moderate Muslims that live here and live in peace, questioning ones coming into the country for our safety benefits them as well.

I think muslims are under more scrutiny and racial profiling than most Canadians would be willing to admit. This is a largely unpublicized fact which seems to scare people for some reason. Canadians tend to be afraid of offending people,leaving them able to pull the race card out when given the opportunity.

We are far to compliant towards certain groups living within the country, especially since their sole purpose seems to be in establishing themselves, then isolate themselves from Canadian society. In doing this we are literally letting them have their cake and eat it too. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the Arars of the world, but I live 5 min away from the Peace Tower, I could be killed by flying depris.
 
Multiculturalism says Muslims at the airport should not receive more scrutiny than white natives. They call it profiling and make it a crime. Any nitwit knows if you were serious about fighting terror you would profile.

If Canada was to seriously adopt profiling, i don't think we would have much room for the average 'gun totting' American.

That "feeling" of being oppressed is too subjective. People are hypersensitized to being offended, by the pc movement as a matter of fact. People are taught by libs to feel offended at the very mention of or sight of ideas or symbols deemed politically undesirable. It's crappy liberalism, socialist thought control, groupthink, it's doubleplusungood.

You always have a way of jumping from one thread to another with this same crap. We've argued it blue in two other threads already, and everytime, you leave to start it again in another one. I'm going to find you RWA, you can run, but you can't hide.

Greeneyes,

Mulitculturalism, is Canada's strongest ideal. It is what makes us great. To clamp down on immigration, and profile a certain group of the population out would be against everything our nation stands for. I'm all for security but we don't need deny access to our country in order to be secure. We keep being told that we are a safe haven for terrorists, but i've never really seen any evidence of that, just speculation. To deny our roots, and future is wrong, why change because the big guy down there says we should?
 
:beer: I agree with you, there is a difference between politeness and submission.
Said1 said:
I think muslims are under more scrutiny and racial profiling than most Canadians would be willing to admit. This is a largely unpublicized fact which seems to scare people for some reason. Canadians tend to be afraid of offending people,leaving them able to pull the race card out when given the opportunity.

We are far to compliant towards certain groups living within the country, especially since their sole purpose seems to be in establishing themselves, then isolate themselves from Canadian society. In doing this we are literally letting them have their cake and eat it too. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the Arars of the world, but I live 5 min away from the Peace Tower, I could be killed by flying depris.
 
MrMarbles said:
If Canada was to seriously adopt profiling, i don't think we would have much room for the average 'gun totting' American.



You always have a way of jumping from one thread to another with this same crap. We've argued it blue in two other threads already, and everytime, you leave to start it again in another one. I'm going to find you RWA, you can run, but you can't hide.

Greeneyes,

Mulitculturalism, is Canada's strongest ideal. It is what makes us great. To clamp down on immigration, and profile a certain group of the population out would be against everything our nation stands for. I'm all for security but we don't need deny access to our country in order to be secure. We keep being told that we are a safe haven for terrorists, but i've never really seen any evidence of that, just speculation. To deny our roots, and future is wrong, why change because the big guy down there says we should?
I did not say to deny, don't twist my words please. What I said was that people looking to gain entry to this country need to be scrutinized about who they are and what their business is in this country, if they have nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about. If I was travelling abroad, they certainly want to know who I am, and what my business is in their country.
 
MrMarbles said:
If Canada was to seriously adopt profiling, i don't think we would have much room for the average 'gun totting' American.
You cannot contain your antiamericanism, can you?
You always have a way of jumping from one thread to another with this same crap. We've argued it blue in two other threads already, and everytime, you leave to start it again in another one. I'm going to find you RWA, you can run, but you can't hide.
Please don't threaten me.
Greeneyes,

Mulitculturalism, is Canada's strongest ideal. It is what makes us great.
Isaak already admitted that defining yourself against america is the primary reason you feel socialism should be your main goal. Otherwise you'd "might as well become americans" or however he said it. And yes, multiculturalism is a thin sheath over an attempt to erode values which stand in the way of implementing socialism.
To clamp down on immigration, and profile a certain group of the population out would be against everything our nation stands for. I'm all for security but we don't need deny access to our country in order to be secure. We keep being told that we are a safe haven for terrorists, but i've never really seen any evidence of that, just speculation. To deny our roots, and future is wrong, why change because the big guy down there says we should?

I know it hurts to see your countryman succumb to powers of reason and logic. You should try it. We're talking about profiling, not complete exclusion. To pretend muslims with foreign names shouldn't be give a more thorough look is idiocy.
 
You cannot contain your antiamericanism, can you?

We are talking about profiling. You want to profile people because of their skin, and country of origin. Ok, then we will do that. Most handguns on Canadin streets, and involved with crime are from the States. So in order to protect our citizens we will stop, and scrutinize the 'group' of people that are most likely to bring their guns to Canada, white Americans. Ya profiling!

Please don't threaten me.

You just have ways of abruptly ending your arguments, only to try and re-start them on different threads, whats up with that?

Isaak already admitted that defining yourself against america is the primary reason you feel socialism should be your main goal. Otherwise you'd "might as well become americans" or however he said it. And yes, multiculturalism is a thin sheath over an attempt to erode values which stand in the way of implementing socialism.

This is what he said.

Terrorism dressed up as multiculturalism? Hardly. Canadian multiculturalism is the backbone of our country. Were Canada to forgo it, we might as well just join the United States, as the cultural and societal differences between would be too little for any of our citizens to know it.

Multiculturalism is the main difference between US and Canada. Our socialist values are not implemented in order to define ourselves form you. They're implemented because this is what we believe in, and this is what works. It is a way of telling an American from Canadian. But thats not why we do it, it being the right thing to do is the reason why we do it.


I know it hurts to see your countryman succumb to powers of reason and logic. You should try it. We're talking about profiling, not complete exclusion. To pretend muslims with foreign names shouldn't be give a more thorough look is idiocy.

Again, why stop at Muslims, why not protect ourselves from all evils. Profile those most likely to bring harm to us, white Americans.

I did not say to deny, don't twist my words please. What I said was that people looking to gain entry to this country need to be scrutinized about who they are and what their business is in this country, if they have nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about. If I was travelling abroad, they certainly want to know who I am, and what my business is in their country.

Ok. Um... Sounds all right to me. But again, scrutinize everyone, because you don't have to be Muslim to be a jerk.
 
MrMarbles said:
We are talking about profiling. You want to profile people because of their skin, and country of origin. Ok, then we will do that. Most handguns on Canadin streets, and involved with crime are from the States. So in order to protect our citizens we will stop, and scrutinize the 'group' of people that are most likely to bring their guns to Canada, white Americans. Ya profiling!
That's simply a crime problem, not an active attempt to destabilize the state as terrorism is. Therefore, it does not warrant profiling.
You just have ways of abruptly ending your arguments, only to try and re-start them on different threads, whats up with that?
That abrupt ending you feel is called losing, get used to it. Me "restarting them on other threads" is also known as me whipping other liberals.
This is what he said.
Isaac Said
Were Canada to forgo it, we might as well just join the United States, as the cultural and societal differences between would be too little for any of our citizens to know it.
Sounds like an identity issue to me. It's citing the main reason to support "multiculturalism" is simply to be different. That's a not a good reason to adopt a genocide producing system like socialism.
Multiculturalism is the main difference between US and Canada. Our socialist values are not implemented in order to define ourselves form you. They're implemented because this is what we believe in, and this is what works. It is a way of telling an American from Canadian. But thats not why we do it, it being the right thing to do is the reason why we do it.
It's not right because it stifles innovation, decouples reward from effort and eventually ruins markets, and leads to genocide.
Again, why stop at Muslims, why not protect ourselves from all evils. Profile those most likely to bring harm to us, white Americans.
If you really feel that's best.
Ok. Um... Sounds all right to me. But again, scrutinize everyone, because you don't have to be Muslim to be a jerk.

Yet, and still, the biggest threat to world stability is Jihad motivated terrorism.
 
That's simply a crime problem, not an active attempt to destabilize the state as terrorism is. Therefore, it does not warrant profiling.

Or you just don't like it if it were to happen to you.

That abrupt ending you feel is called losing, get used to it. Me "restarting them on other threads" is also known as me whipping other liberals.

Right, okay there. You do realize that you never really answer questions or reply to ones in which a personally state examples of how liberal ideals work. You just go on another thread and start again, and the cycle begins again.

Sounds like an identity issue to me. It's citing the main reason to support "multiculturalism" is simply to be different. That's a not a good reason to adopt a genocide producing system like socialism.

Canada has an identity problem, no kidding. Nothing new there. It's not to be different, it's to be us. It works, its great. Try it sometime. And if we were to tally up the amount of dead, killed by their own gov't, your precious neo-con country will way out weigh ours.

It's not right because it stifles innovation, decouples reward from effort and eventually ruins markets, and leads to genocide.

How? Wait i already heard it all. And your wrong. Again, look north, and to europe, liberal ideals help all.

Yet, and still, the biggest threat to world stability is Jihad motivated terrorism.

Or maybe the largest owner of WMD's, and the only one that has and is ready and willing to use them again. Any guess's who?
 
MrMarbles said:
Or you just don't like it if it were to happen to you.
It's simply unwarranted, considering there is no overtly stated, state sponsored movement on the part of white americans to destroy canada.
Right, okay there. You do realize that you never really answer questions or reply to ones in which a personally state examples of how liberal ideals work. You just go on another thread and start again, and the cycle begins again.
I always answer questions and always reply to the best of my ability. You just wish I would quit this thread.
Canada has an identity problem, no kidding. Nothing new there. It's not to be different, it's to be us. It works, its great. Try it sometime. And if we were to tally up the amount of dead, killed by their own gov't, your precious neo-con country will way out weigh ours.
Embracing socialism just to have an identity is something americans grow out of at age 20. Your nation is stuck in an adolescent mindset, apparently.
How? Wait i already heard it all. And your wrong. Again, look north, and to europe, liberal ideals help all.
onerous taxation and/ or income redistribution eliminates incentive and innovation. It's true. Economies begin to fail. No new jobs are created. The economy shrinks. Genocide begins. But killing evil westerners and the abominable forms of government we've created is the goal of lefties. I forgot. Please excuse me.
Or maybe the largest owner of WMD's, and the only one that has and is ready and willing to use them again. Any guess's who?

It's the USE of the power we should be judged upon. What would osama do with a few football fields of ICBMs? You should think about these things. Where would canada be without the international system of trade created by and underwritten by the promise of political stability guaranteed by the U.S. military? You really need to think a bit deeper on many issues.
 
The people who attacked the U.S.S. Cole, the first and second, not to mention successful attacks on the world trade centers, as well as various embassies were not black Hispanic, Italian, Jewish or Dutch or Christian or Buddihist, they were whether you like to admit it or not Muslim, they are the ones grinding their axe at the west right now. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make it any less real a fact.
MrMarbles said:
We are talking about profiling. You want to profile people because of their skin, and country of origin. Ok, then we will do that. Most handguns on Canadin streets, and involved with crime are from the States. So in order to protect our citizens we will stop, and scrutinize the 'group' of people that are most likely to bring their guns to Canada, white Americans. Ya profiling!



You just have ways of abruptly ending your arguments, only to try and re-start them on different threads, whats up with that?



This is what he said.



Multiculturalism is the main difference between US and Canada. Our socialist values are not implemented in order to define ourselves form you. They're implemented because this is what we believe in, and this is what works. It is a way of telling an American from Canadian. But thats not why we do it, it being the right thing to do is the reason why we do it.




Again, why stop at Muslims, why not protect ourselves from all evils. Profile those most likely to bring harm to us, white Americans.



Ok. Um... Sounds all right to me. But again, scrutinize everyone, because you don't have to be Muslim to be a jerk.
 
rtwngAvngr said:
It's simply unwarranted, considering there is no overtly stated, state sponsored movement on the part of white americans to destroy canada.

I always answer questions and always reply to the best of my ability. You just wish I would quit this thread.

Embracing socialism just to have an identity is something americans grow out of at age 20. Your nation is stuck in an adolescent mindset, apparently.

onerous taxation and/ or income redistribution eliminates incentive and innovation. It's true. Economies begin to fail. No new jobs are created. The economy shrinks. Genocide begins. But killing evil westerners and the abominable forms of government we've created is the goal of lefties. I forgot. Please excuse me.


It's the USE of the power we should be judged upon. What would osama do with a few football fields of ICBMs? You should think about these things. Where would canada be without the international system of trade created by and underwritten by the promise of political stability guaranteed by the U.S. military? You really need to think a bit deeper on many issues.

I'll cut to the chase here. We are really debating liberalism here. Liberal and social ideals are used all around the world, and they are working pretty damn good. America has embraced such ideals, when your ultra-capitalist ways failed in the 30's, liberalism was embraced and saved your country. Where would it be without it?

Our economy has not failed, netheir has other liberal states. They all sway back and forth like Americas.


Your are the only super power left, in an age that dosen't need them. Your greatest strength was your dollar. Everyone use to have to do trade with it, but no anymore, the EU is and will see a change in that. As for your jingoist ways, we do not need your military to protect us. It does not dictate any type of stability. So where would Canada be? Thats the fun of the 'what if' game. But a very good possiblity would be a much more diverse, and less dependable system. One that would be able to take hits better, and wouldn't dive everytime the US did.
 

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