What is the purpose of religion...?

[musicman]

Why don't you tell us which motives would justify stealing a television? That'll be more fun.

No shit. This, I've GOT to hear.

 

[freeandfun1]

what are your motives for taking the television?

translation: "what is your valid excuse for being a theif and taking what does not belong to you?"

There is NO place in this country (or MOST countries for that matter) where things are SO bad that stealing can be justified.

 

[ffafanatic]

The purpose of religion is simple-it is a futile attempt by humanity to explain the unexplainable and to achieve eternal peace. But because religion requires strict observance of law, it serves no purpose in the grand in the grand scheme of life but to create division and turmoil. People will always claim that their religion is superior to another. True Christianity is not a religion. It is faith, faith in an all-powerful, all-loving God, and faith in the Cross of Christ (meaning his sacrificial death) to set us free from sin and give us the gift of eternal life. No other "religion" offers that kind of gift. And no other religion requires nothing but faith. Christians know that a religion that requires strict observance of law will not save anyone because as imperfect humans, we cannot live to that perfection. We needed the mercy of god in the form of the death of his son, Jesus Christ, the perfect sacrifice.

 

[5stringJeff]

Welcome ffafanatic!

Deaddude, honestly, what circumstances can you think up in which stealing your TV would be justified?

Or, even better, since you refuse to accept that raping children is always morally wrong, in what situation would it be morally correct to do that?

 

[deaddude]

Welcome ffafanatic!

Deaddude, honestly, what circumstances can you think up in which stealing your TV would be justified?

Or, even better, since you refuse to accept that raping children is always morally wrong, in what situation would it be morally correct to do that?

A homeless kid steals my TV; fences it off and uses the money to buy some food.

I dont need the TV (and hell I can afford another one), he Needs food. If he were caught eating his meal and I understood the motives and circumstanses for his crime, I would not press charges, nor would I begrudge him the TV.

I already told you that I could not imagine a case where rapeing a child is not against my morals. I f you would kindly read my previous posts you would see that. That just proves that my personal moral state cannont concieve of a situation in which rapeing children was right.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

A homeless kid steals my TV; fences it off and uses the money to buy some food.

I dont need the TV (and hell I can afford another one), he Needs food. If he were caught eating his meal and I understood the motives and circumstanses for his crime, I would not press charges, nor would I begrudge him the TV.

You only allow the kid to develop bad habits with this sort of coddling. The next homeowner may blow a hole in him for entering his property. You're allowing him to continue habits which will only make his life worse. You're doing nobody a favor, except satan.

I already told you that I could not imagine a case where rapeing a child is not against my morals. I f you would kindly read my previous posts you would see that. That just proves that my personal moral state cannont concieve of a situation in which rapeing children was right.

So maybe child rape is a moral absolute. Ya think? there are sick nambla freaks who think it's just groovy.

 

[musicman]

By not pressing charges, you are merely forgiving him the wrong he's done because of extenuating circumstances. It doesn't make the act of stealing any less wrong. You're basically saying, "All right, he stole from me, BUT....".

 

[deaddude]

Now your getting into semantics, you can say that I thought it was wrong and for gave him and I can say I thought that he was not wrong to take the tv. It is now you say x and I say y, niether of us can prove either.


Also RWA, you cannot prove a moral absolute simply because niether of us can think of a situation in which the act of raping a child is not wrong. It is a very stong and effective moral guidline (which I equate to a well tested scientific theory)


and RWA I don't believe in Satan, much as I dont believe in God, this lack of belief prevents me from serveing either.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Now your getting into semantics, you can say that I thought it was wrong and for gave him and I can say I thought that he was not wrong to take the tv. It is now you say x and I say y, niether of us can prove either.


Also RWA, you cannot prove a moral absolute simply because niether of us can think of a situation in which the act of raping a child is not wrong. It is a very stong and effective moral guidline (which I equate to a well tested scientific theory)


and RWA I don't believe in Satan, much as I dont believe in God, this lack of belief prevents me from serveing either.

I swear, I think reading your posts will actually subract IQ points from a person.

Your willingness to accept crime if spread to many, will erode society at it's very foundation. I'm glad you libs will never be in power again.

 

[musicman]

Now your getting into semantics, you can say that I thought it was wrong and for gave him and I can say I thought that he was not wrong to take the tv. It is now you say x and I say y, niether of us can prove either.


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According to the Merriam Webster Dictionary:

steal - to take and carry away without right or permission.

I don't see anything about "relative to the thief's circumstances" in that definition. Or, is hard definition relative as well?

 

[deaddude]

"to take and carry away without right or permission"

Nice definition, but unless you are going to argue that the right used in the definition is the moral "right and wrong" right, it says nothing about morality.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

"to take and carry away without right or permission"

Nice definition, but unless you are going to argue that the right used in the definition is the moral "right and wrong" right, it says nothing about morality.

We're not really discussing a strict religious type of right and wrong. think of it this way: Should there be specific terms in the social contract? Or do you want the terms inconsistently applied i.e. "democratic voters should get welfare without working and republicans should have to work harder and harder to pay for everyone else." One standard or many?

 

[deaddude]

There are many standards, premeditated murder is punishable by death. murder in the heat of the moment is punishable by life in prison. killing someone in self defence is not punishable at all.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

There are many standards, premeditated murder is punishable by death. murder in the heat of the moment is punishable by life in prison. killing someone in self defence is not punishable at all.

But do the standards apply equally to all individuals, or are some groups absolved from responsibility or held to a different standard due to "history"?

Socialism depends on some individuals NOT being dependant on the state and actually working for a living, not stealing, not lying etc.

Libs only preach one side of the coin to marshall forces against the producers and raping them blind.

 

[Arabian]

What is the purpose of religion?
Hmmmm

I think without religion world will be a part from hell full with hate and war
Because religion tell us what to do and what not to do
I think religion is peace and love
Some people say that all my thought is impossible in this life cuz I always dream about peace and love
But I think with religion all of that could come true
We all know what happened to all countries who adjust the communism theory
It encourage the destructions and war
And we all know that it was base on (you must get rid of your religion) they burnt mosques and churches and any place where people practice their worships
And it also based on there is no place on family and took the children to put then in some kind of schools or firm
To teach them there is no place for family (family which the only true loving part in the whole world) they destroyed it

Communism dependent on materiality
Religion dependent on love and peace and high regard and consideration between people
So religion balances the whole world and protects it
Only if we deal with it and according to its directives

but we should bay attention to something
there are some people who use religion according to their needs and justify their bad doing according to it
and am not backing this kind of people
(religions which allah send with his messengers dont backing them too)