What is the justification for forcing anyone to financially provide for anyone else?

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    Are we as a country legislating morality because people are naturally too selfish to voluntarily help each other ?
     
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    You will have to ask a liberal Democrat that question. It's their way of doing business.
     
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    "Justification?" As in what? Alimony? Child support? Social programs?
     
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    I think it depends on what you're referring to. In a case like child support, no we shouldn't have to force a parent to provide for their child. But since so many parents fail to do so willingly, the other parent is forced to rely on the court system forcing the irresponsible parent to do what's right.

    I can't really think of another situation in which it would be appropriate to force someone to financially provide for someone else. Providing for someone else, other than your child, should really be a choice. My boyfriend chooses to work hard to provide for me and the kids, but no one forces him to. If he decided he didn't want to provide for me, I would get a job and provide for myself.

    I think there are situations in which it would be appropriate, when possible, to provide for someone else, such as aging parents, disabled siblings, things like that. But those shouldn't be required. It's one of those things where if you're a good person, and you can afford it, you should and would do it, but no one can or should make you.
     
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    Anything. What is the justification for taxing me and using that money to spend on anyone else ?
    Why am I forced to provide for those who are deemed unable to provide for themselves ?
     
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    So I am required to help finance a system that forces a parent to take care of his/her own child ?
     
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    Are you a "self made" man?
    Were there public roads that took you to school, public schools to attend, public water your household had access to (publicly regulated to make sure you were protected from disease) that you brushed your teeth, showered, and cooked with? Did the buses or other automobiles that you rode in (or that your mode of transportation shared the public roads with) have to live up to public safety standards (the regulation of which is publicly funded)?

    Were the doctors you went to subject to (publicly funded) oversight and state regulation?

    Clearly, you came to your success in life within American society, one upheld by the economic structure that lent at least to some degree to the atmosphere within which you prospered.What if you were born instead in, I dunno, Darfur? You think your God given talent and rugged individuality would have made it likely that you would have even survived to adulthood, much less attained the status you have here in the US? Odds aren't that great. My point is, of course, that the social and economic structures that supported you also supports others.

    The conservative complaint is a complaint as old as time

     
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    We should never have built Hoover dam. We would have lots less Las Vegans and southern caliprunians that way.

    rural elictrification was a mess as well.
    Let those hicks get electricity and communications and the next thing you know they will be running the world from Facebook.
     
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    No, we as a country are not too selfish to be charitable. We used to be, until Woodrow Wilson, our first major progressive elitist president with a Ph.D, became president. He developed a program of progressive reform and asserted international leadership in building a new world order. Then in 1917 he proclaimed American entrance into World War I a crusade to make the world "safe for democracy.

    He took it upon himself to make America into a nanny state and FDR and LBJ really liked that idea and carried this so-called benevolent mission forward, thus depriving Americans of being self-sufficent, beause the government would save their asses. This way Americans could become as irresponsible as they wished, because we're from the government and we are here to bail you out. Americans had handed their power over to elected representatives who wanted it. And now lookie...."can we say Greece?"
     
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    What's your fuckin' problem, dillo?

    Can't get with the program?

    Stop taking care of your kids, so the system can do it for you, bitch!
     
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