What is the first thing you think of when you look at this?

[Truthmatters]

If truth matters you shouldn't be posting at all. Go read a history book.

Now tell us how the civil war would have happened without slavery?


You cant because its not true.

You dont get to rewrite histroy for political purposes

You really do need to read some history, tell us (for example) just how many black slave owners were there?

Its you how are trying to rewrite the history.

If slavery had NOT exsisted in the states the civil war would have NEVER taken place.


LYING about history for political purposes is NOT acceptable in any educated society

 

[masquerade]

yankee haters

state's rights

the need to hold onto the past

 

[Truthmatters]

No one gets to rewrite history for political purposes.

The right has been trying to do it for decades now.

 

[Mad Scientist]

Its you how are trying to rewrite the history.
If slavery had NOT exsisted in the states the civil war would have NEVER taken place. LYING about history for political purposes is NOT acceptable in any educated society

The Civil War didn't start because of slavery. LYING about history for political purposes is NOT acceptable in any educated society.
Do a little research about the Civil War, you may unwillingly learn something. Look up "Indian Slave Owners" and how Morgan Freeman got his name just as a start.

 

[Truthmatters]

The civil war was about slavery and if slavery had not exsisted in the US at the time the civil war would not have happened.

Outline for us how it would have happened without the slavery component?

 

[WillowTree]

No one is going to hurt my feelings on this one, so don't hold back (I'm Cherokee, so I think ALL of you are fucked in the head, regardless of which side you were on).

 

[SFC Ollie]

Once again Truthmatters reminds us that truth does not matter.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The civil war was about slavery and if slavery had not exsisted in the US at the time the civil war would not have happened. Outline for us how it would have happened without the slavery component?

I will outline events as they actually happened, not on your historically revisionist wishful thinking:
Time Line of The Civil War - 1861

March 1861 -- Lincoln's Inauguration. At Lincoln's inauguration on March 4, the new president said he had no plans to end slavery in those states where it already existed, but he also said he would not accept secession. He hoped to resolve the national crisis without warfare.

Let's review shall we?
1. Lincoln elected
2. Lincoln not interested in ending slavery.
3. Lincoln resists states seceeding.
4. Shots fired at Fort Sumpter not related to slavery but States Rights.

In summation: The Civil War would have happened even without the slavery component. Maybe not at the exact same time or manner but it would have happened.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I remember learning in school that the Civil War wasn't about slavery and that was in Boston Public Schools which is filled with commies and Marxists like Liesmatter

 

[Truthmatters]

January 1861 -- The South Secedes.
When Abraham Lincoln, a known opponent of slavery, was elected president, the South Carolina legislature perceived a threat


The first fucking line of your timeline link asshole

 

[Truthmatters]

I love it when facts begin to matter

 

[Jeremy]

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[Truthmatters]

The right will NEVER get away with the rewrites of history they are attempting.

 

[Truthmatters]

Everytime you people LIE about history and science you will meet cold hard facts.

Get used to it

 

[Truthmatters]

I win you lost

 

[Jeremy]

I win you lost

Who the fuck are you talking too?

 

[Truthmatters]

The people who are trying to rewrite history for political purposes

 

[Jeremy]

The people who are trying to rewrite history for political purposes

That really narrows it down.

Let me rephrase the question. Who aren't you talking to?

 

[Truthmatters]

Read the fucking thread you dumb assed hack

 

[Ravi]

This wars main cause was slavery.

No, it was about states rights.

Slavery was just a side show.

Bullshit.

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Cornerstone Speech by Alexander H. Stephens