What is the Conservative view of the Iraqi Adventurism

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    What are the true military expenses? What are the expenditures of the "contractors?" How does all this reflect in American taxation? What Americans stand to gain or lose the most in this financial fiasco? How are the families of our troops fairing under these enormous burdens being placed upon them? How do we protect and care for our veterans while we cut their benefits and deny their claims? Are the profiteering corporations going to pay for all this or are the common Americans going to bend over once again to absorb the full thrust of these projections of corporate and military brass greed?


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    All costs mentioned are reasonable, considered against the cost of allowing the mideast to fester as a terrorist incubation system.

    What do you want to do about jihad? Nothing. Tolerate it, because of the crusades?
     
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    Questions that are framed with descriptions such as "fiasco", "enormous burdens", "cut benefits and deny claims", are not questions at all, but is a guise or rouse of a LIAR who wishes to impose his beliefs upon others using terrorism and lies and deceit.

    Your post is deceitful. It is not surprising, as someone with the mindset as you have demonstrated over and over, must have a long history of self delusion, resulting in arrogance, hatred and a vile disregard for real truth.

    Self loathing is not attractive.
     
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    So you're basically claiming that the war is too expensive and you're asking who's going to pay for it. Well, first off, it's the taxpayers, large and small. As to your question about the greedy corporations, go look at my post about how corporations don't pay taxes. Each individual citizen of the United States pays for this war. However, it is idiotic to say it's too expensive. Is your safety something you can put a price tag on? I, personally, would be willing to pay whatever cost was there to ensure that my family is safe from terrorists.
     
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    Not all conservatives think the "Iraqi adventurism," as you call it, is a good thing. In fact, some find it calamitous.

    A good argument could be made that NO TRUE conservative thought invading Iraq was a good idea --- but all "neocons" did. True conservatives stand for a foreign policy that puts America, not Israel, first. Neoconservatives put Israel over America, and let their decisions be guided thusly. Many would say this makes them traitors to our country, but heavens me, that is a serious charge, isn't it? They always respond that anyone who opposes them is secretly an "anti-Semite" or an "isolationist." Hmmm. Yes, when we were "isolated," we had no problems with Muslims. Only when we decided to become Israel's bitch did that happen.

    If you want the REAL conservative view on Iraq, you need to read "Whose War?" by Pat Buchananan.

    http://www.amconmag.com/03_24_03/cover.html
     
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    Ahhh, so you guys are the only TRUE conservatives. Problem is, this is a democracy, as formulated by your white heros. Now, since you TRUE conservatives are a distinct minority, your views are not going to be dictating policy.

    Because one may support Israel doesnt mean one puts them AHEAD of the US. But your white colored shades dont allow you to see anything but, "you either hate Israel like I do" or "You love Israel more than the US".

    Pat Buchanan has a few good ideas, is a zealot on some which gives him enough of a following, but most of his ideas are idiotic.

    You have never answered my question, "Do you think it shoud be banned that I could marry my wife, who is a Filipina"?
     
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    Ahh, the tried-and-true "The voters have spoken! We have a mandate!" routine. I can remember a time when it was the Clintonites using that line, and Conservatives (rightly) bashing it. How times have changed.

    Democracy is not a cure-all for making responsible government policy, and it is not necessarily a protection against tyranny. That's why the founding fathers had such utter disdain for it.
     
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    WHile a pure democracy IS just glorified mob rule, that is not what we are, nor is iraq one. We're both constitutional republics with democratically elected legislators and executives.

    But yet, and still, pure mob rule would be preferable to the totalitarianism you lefties espouse. The mob CAN be reasoned with. Im sure the communists are upset about how many americans have been able to see the evils of the absurd levels of collectivism the left favors.
     
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    Tsk tsk .... and you started off so well. I agree that traditional conservatives and "neo-cons" do not hold identical beliefs. Your statement goes downhill after that LuvRPgirl put it perfectly ....

    The US is protecting its source of oil and trying to keep it out of the hands of militant extremist Islamists. That IS putting the US and our hungry, fossil fuel driven world FIRST.
     
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    We aren't a democracy, but we're sure moving in that direction. Want free health care? Voila, both parties support it! Polls show that the average american wants to kick someone's ass after 9/11? Hey, look at that country over there, it's full of people who vaguely resemble the 9/11 hijackers!

    There is a huge difference between defending totalitarianism (which quite a few on the left do support, if it's the right kind of totalitarianism), and being opposed to interventionism, as "lefties" (lolz) like me and Joyce are. We cannot set the entire world free at the point of a gun. There are many, many societies in which the average man on the street emphatically does not want freedom. If given the vote, they will vote for hard-line religion, or a dictator, or a militant socialist. The tradition of freedom took several centuries to develop in the western world before it peaked in the 1800's.
     

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