What is so hard to understand?

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    The 2nd Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right. It is not contingent on a person being IN a militia. States have the right to form militias but that is irrelevant to the right to bear arms.

    Further what part of supposed assault weapons are specifically covered by the 2nd don't people understand? The Supreme Court has on several occasions stated or affirmed that a weapon is only covered by the 2nd Amendment if it is suitable to the Militia, which means in use by the military, of use to the military or in prior use by the military. See White Vs Texas in 1939 for the actual text.
     
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    It is hard to understand because it does not fit into some people’s ideology. It is similar to the failure to understand what the establishment clause means. It is a 2 way street.

    Simply put, most people only want to defend the constitution as long as it agrees with the world view they already have. It is not a case of what is hard to understand. It is a case of completely ignoring what things actually say/mean.
     
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    The constitution also kinda restricts the military to defensive actions.
     
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    It does no such thing. It provides that a military budget for ground forces can not exceed two years and it leaves to Congress the power to turn off the money if the President sends the troops where Congress does not want them.
     
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    Considering constitutional scholars nick-pick this issue, I would say its not quite so black and white.
     
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    What's that got to do with the 2nd Amendment?
     
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    You do realize that from 1776 up till 1812 we did not have a standing army per sie only state militias.
     
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    Considering the words used, I would say it is black and white. I don’t really care how muddled the ‘scholars’ want to make it. I have yet to hear a well-constructed case that makes the second some vaunted ‘collective’ right or connect it to the militia.
     
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    Many may not be aware the issue concerns self-defense:

    The firearm is thus the instrument used to facilitate that right.
     
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    But Milller v. US said the government CAN limit what kind of weapons you can have.

    Personally, I think gun laws are impractical... but the reasons gun fetishist give for owning guns are kind of silly.

    1) A gun in you home is more a danger to your family than bad guys...

    2) You will never own enough guns to take on the govenrment, and if it ever comes down to that, your neighbors willl be cheering the day the government takes you out because you were frightening their children...

    Just sayin'.
     
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