What is it about Socialism that makes you want it here in the United States?

[Care4all]

At least some people are brave enough to put up some Socialist Policies. Did you know in Scotland, where there is free healthcare and college, the citizens have to pay 75% of their income in taxes? Tell me, is that free?

I don't know if 75% income tax is accurate but if it is, it isn't solely to cover healthcare and college. I am from Sweden where taxes are considered high but Americans do not understand that with benefits and high standard wages we live better than the vast majority of Americans. BUT you are absolutely correct in saying that things are not really "free".

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich and living in some kind of luxury today....imo.

 

[progressive hunter]

... democrat socialism is still socialism,,,

That's true to a point. I guess you can say that it is the degree of democracy and the degree of socialism that separates them.

and america is a republic that rejected both democracy and socialism,,,

That's not true. The U.S. has a degree of Democracy as well as social elements although they might not be considered "socialist".

only in that we elect our representatives,,,

100% of the time democracies end in death,,and its creeping into our country and its killing us

 

[progressive hunter]

At least some people are brave enough to put up some Socialist Policies. Did you know in Scotland, where there is free healthcare and college, the citizens have to pay 75% of their income in taxes? Tell me, is that free?

I don't know if 75% income tax is accurate but if it is, it isn't solely to cover healthcare and college. I am from Sweden where taxes are considered high but Americans do not understand that with benefits and high standard wages we live better than the vast majority of Americans. BUT you are absolutely correct in saying that things are not really "free".

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich imo.

a car is not essential,,,

 

[depotoo]

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.

This is an exaggeration but it is true that our status as number one democracy is dropping at an alarming rate and that our medical services are becoming an embarrassment. Long queues is the biggest complaint. However, three weeks ago I keeled over and blacked out and it was discovered that my heart rhythm was in bad shape. So two weeks ago (one week after I blacked out) I was given a pacemaker. I feel fine now but I just got it so I don't know how it will be after some time. The point is that I am pleased with the Swedish cardiology department. As far as cancer goes .... I don't know, but yes rumours agree with you.

Here, if you blacked out, more than likely you would have received it in a matter of days, if you agreed. Glad you are ok.

 

[alang1216]

You claim the Nordic countries are NOT socialist. If that is correct, and most Dems claim they are Democratic Socialists and want to mimic the Nordic model here, by your logic there are NO Democratic Socialists. Can you show otherwise?

dems claim a lot of things that are not true,,,

and democrat socialism is still socialism,,,

You seem to have your own problems telling truth from fiction. The Dems model their Democratic Socialism after the Nordic countries. You claim the Dems are Socialist. You also claim the Nordic countries are not Socialist. Which is it?

DS is still socialist and nordics are not socialist,,,

So which Dem advocates for a socialist program that is not found in any of the Nordic countries?

Your whole premise is ridiculous.

I'm sure you can't explain how. Cognitive dissonance much?

 

[alang1216]

So which Dem advocates for a socialist program that is not found in any of the Nordic countries?

your question is twisted,,,ie a loaded question,,,

As in a question you've never thought about because it is easier to parrot what you've been told?

sounds like you would be happier living there,,,you should start a go fund me

RACIST!

 

[Care4all]

At least some people are brave enough to put up some Socialist Policies. Did you know in Scotland, where there is free healthcare and college, the citizens have to pay 75% of their income in taxes? Tell me, is that free?

I don't know if 75% income tax is accurate but if it is, it isn't solely to cover healthcare and college. I am from Sweden where taxes are considered high but Americans do not understand that with benefits and high standard wages we live better than the vast majority of Americans. BUT you are absolutely correct in saying that things are not really "free".

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich imo.

a car is not essential,,,

Of course it is, unless you live in a city with Mass Transit and if you plan on working and making it to a grocer for food to eat!

Owning a car does not mean you own a NEW CAR....

 

[progressive hunter]

At least some people are brave enough to put up some Socialist Policies. Did you know in Scotland, where there is free healthcare and college, the citizens have to pay 75% of their income in taxes? Tell me, is that free?

I don't know if 75% income tax is accurate but if it is, it isn't solely to cover healthcare and college. I am from Sweden where taxes are considered high but Americans do not understand that with benefits and high standard wages we live better than the vast majority of Americans. BUT you are absolutely correct in saying that things are not really "free".

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich imo.

a car is not essential,,,

Of course it is, unless you live in a city with Mass Transit and if you plan on working and making it to a grocer for food to eat!

Owning a car does not mean you own a NEW CAR....

man lived for thousand of yrs without them,,,

 

[depotoo]

At least some people are brave enough to put up some Socialist Policies. Did you know in Scotland, where there is free healthcare and college, the citizens have to pay 75% of their income in taxes? Tell me, is that free?

I don't know if 75% income tax is accurate but if it is, it isn't solely to cover healthcare and college. I am from Sweden where taxes are considered high but Americans do not understand that with benefits and high standard wages we live better than the vast majority of Americans. BUT you are absolutely correct in saying that things are not really "free".

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich and living in some kind of luxury today....imo.

Astonishing Numbers: America's Poor Still Live Better Than Most Of The Rest Of Humanity

 

[GLASNOST]

only in that we elect our representatives,,,

Except in Florida?

100% of the time democracies end in death,,and its creeping into our country and its killing us

I don't think that I understand what you are referring to. What I can say is what is killing you (the U.S.) is the 'nose dive' American Democracy has been taking, not 'an upswing'. So, according to my estimation, it is the lack of democracy that is your problem. This should be very clear.

 

[progressive hunter]

only in that we elect our representatives,,,

Except in Florida?

100% of the time democracies end in death,,and its creeping into our country and its killing us

I don't think that I understand what you are referring to. What I can say is what is killing you (the U.S.) is the 'nose dive' American Democracy has been taking, not 'an upswing'. So, according to my estimation, it is the lack of democracy that is your problem. This should be very clear.

our problem is the democrat and republican parties,,,

 

[depotoo]

At least some people are brave enough to put up some Socialist Policies. Did you know in Scotland, where there is free healthcare and college, the citizens have to pay 75% of their income in taxes? Tell me, is that free?

I don't know if 75% income tax is accurate but if it is, it isn't solely to cover healthcare and college. I am from Sweden where taxes are considered high but Americans do not understand that with benefits and high standard wages we live better than the vast majority of Americans. BUT you are absolutely correct in saying that things are not really "free".

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich imo.

a car is not essential,,,

Of course it is, unless you live in a city with Mass Transit and if you plan on working and making it to a grocer for food to eat!

Owning a car does not mean you own a NEW CAR....

Just because one doesn’t own a new car doesn’t mean he is poor either.

 

[depotoo]

only in that we elect our representatives,,,

Except in Florida?

100% of the time democracies end in death,,and its creeping into our country and its killing us

I don't think that I understand what you are referring to. What I can say is what is killing you (the U.S.) is the 'nose dive' American Democracy has been taking, not 'an upswing'. So, according to my estimation, it is the lack of democracy that is your problem. This should be very clear.

We are a Republic, not a democracy. True, the Dems wish to make us a democracy.

 

[GLASNOST]

Here, if you blacked out, more than likely you would have received it in a matter of days, if you agreed.

It took one week. That is days. Seven of them.

Glad you are ok.

Thank you very much.

 

[Care4all]

I don't know if 75% income tax is accurate but if it is, it isn't solely to cover healthcare and college. I am from Sweden where taxes are considered high but Americans do not understand that with benefits and high standard wages we live better than the vast majority of Americans. BUT you are absolutely correct in saying that things are not really "free".

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich imo.

a car is not essential,,,

Of course it is, unless you live in a city with Mass Transit and if you plan on working and making it to a grocer for food to eat!

Owning a car does not mean you own a NEW CAR....

man lived for thousand of yrs without them,,,

as if today is like a thousand years ago....

 

[progressive hunter]

'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
And have some of the highest cancer rates.
View attachment 269922

Stats on America’s poor, from a few years ago-

• Forty-three percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
• Eighty percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
• Only 6 percent of poor households are overcrowded. More than two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.
• The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
• Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.
• Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
• Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or DVD player; 62 percent have cable or satellite TV reception.
• Eighty-nine percent own microwave ovens, more than half have a stereo, and more than a third have an automatic dishwasher.

Most of those things are considered basic essentials today, and are cheap, because they come from China or Japan on cars!!!

i.e.
A Car is an essential
A color television can be had for $79 bucks on Black Friday vs over $600 in the 70's when each dollar was worth so much more...
A bedroom air conditioner can be had for $99 vs several hundred dollars in the 70's
A VCR was $650 bucks in the 80's and can be $99 today...

The list is such a deceptive means to make it look like the poor of today are rich imo.

a car is not essential,,,

Of course it is, unless you live in a city with Mass Transit and if you plan on working and making it to a grocer for food to eat!

Owning a car does not mean you own a NEW CAR....

man lived for thousand of yrs without them,,,

as if today is like a thousand years ago....

true,,,it was a lot better back then,,,

 

[GLASNOST]

only in that we elect our representatives,,,

Except in Florida?

100% of the time democracies end in death,,and its creeping into our country and its killing us

I don't think that I understand what you are referring to. What I can say is what is killing you (the U.S.) is the 'nose dive' American Democracy has been taking, not 'an upswing'. So, according to my estimation, it is the lack of democracy that is your problem. This should be very clear.

our problem is the democrat and republican parties,,,

Well, the problem isn't so much those two ... rather than those are the only two you have so they can screw the shit out of you and get away with it. So yeah, I guess you're sort of right.

 

[boedicca]

The poll choices are inadequate. Those who want Socialism in the U.S. want POWER over others. Period. End of Story.

 

[depotoo]

Here, if you blacked out, more than likely you would have received it in a matter of days, if you agreed.

It took one week. That is days. Seven of them.

Glad you are ok.

Thank you very much.

Here it would be less. If needed immediately, you would receive it immediately, a case of just that-

I'm ten weeks post pacemaker implant, and doing well. I was diagnosed with atrial fibrillation several years ago. First indication of a problem was that I passed out while walking on my treadmill. I recovered within a few minutes and told my wife (we thought it was a fluke). It happened again just 90 minutes later while getting a bite to eat. My wife got me to the emergency room. I was scheduled for pacemaker implant less than 6 hours later. I went home the following day. Restriction is not to lift left arm (elbow) above shoulder level for 30 days. I returned to most normal activities after 30 days. I had reduced heavy yard work; added that back after a while as well. Happy to still be here.

 

[GLASNOST]

We are a Republic, not a democracy..

That doesn't mean anything. Some level of Democracy is found in every country on earth. What your country calls itself is irrelevant. Here in Sweden we are officially a monarchy and yet until recently we were the top number one Democracy in the world .... and we are still right up there. Titles mean nothing and being a Republic does not mean there is no democratic principles in use.