What is it about Socialism that makes you want it here in the United States?

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What is it about Socialism that makes you want it here in the United States?

  1. Free healthcare.

    6 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Free college.

    4 vote(s)
    22.2%
  3. Free housing.

    2 vote(s)
    11.1%
  4. Dont have to work and still get paid.

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
  5. Can smoke dope and still get paid.

    2 vote(s)
    11.1%
  6. Have the government to take care of me from cradle to grave.

    3 vote(s)
    16.7%
  7. Socialism has never worked and never will work, it is failure of misery and poverty.

    12 vote(s)
    66.7%
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    If the outcome would be the exact same.... then there is no socialism. Free Market Capitalism, is just that.... free market capitalism. There is no socialism involved.

    You can't have it both ways. It either is operating like a market, or it is not. It can't be both.
     
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    You are just another voluntary ignorant side-stepping the onslaught of truth, sense, and logic heading your way.

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    I don't really have a problem with co-ops.... but generally co-ops are really only co-ops in name only. The employees have no real ownership of the company.

    What would you suggest as a successful co-op?

    The only co-ops I've seen have been niche businesses, that were small, and employed few people.
     
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    Don't you understand the basics of political economy? Factors of production are treated as independent of the market. Market socialism simply means that factors of production are organized socially as opposed to free market capitalism where the factors of production are owned and organized privately. Regardless of the way in which you organize the factors of production, the products can still be sold in the market.
     
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    Mondragon Corporation is a successful co-op.
     
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    The meaning is that people there don´t have much money. Nobody denies this. Because of reasonable measures taken by the government, stuff is still affordable. Places that really suck, like some in Africa suffer from a lack of of countermeasures and there is no proper alternative for the small bottle of water for 2 Dollars.
    Your logic is: The place sucks, this is why electricity ect is cheap. But actually, it is a good thing when stuff is cheap.
     
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    If it were only a matter of side-stepping it, I wouldn't have a problem with it. If socialists merely wanted to form collectives and communes - that would be great. But of course, they aren't satisfied with that and want to force their collectivism on everyone else.
     
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    Who told you that?
     
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    Socialists. Did someone try to convince you otherwise?
     
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    Are you out of your mind? I am from Sweden. During the Cold War I have been to the Soviet Union. I have been to Poland. I have been to East Germany. I have been to Hungary. I have been to Romania. I have been to Czechoslovakia. I have been to the Ukraine. I have been to Belarus. I have been to Yugoslavia. I have been to Albania. I have been to Latvia. I have been to Lithuania, I have been to Estonia. My wife is from Czechoslovakia. I guess your "Dick & Jane Easy Reader" didn't tell you that Socialism in this country, and that country, and the other country, and in the minds of the people who you've met, and in the minds of the people who I've met ........ are not the same. Why am I even trying to tell you anything? This is a waste of time.

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