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Right winger thanks for demonstrating your level of retardation. No one is claiming Obama Care will lead to death squads. For one thing you don't have to send out death squads to kill people with easily curable diseases that will die if they aren't treated. The point here is that once the government takes over health care they will whether anyone likes it or not become the agency that choses who will live and who will die.
Further, the Republican Party lost favor with the voters not becuase they became too conservative on social issues or anything else but because under Rove and Bush they became the party of me too on almost all domestic social spending.
Right winger thanks for demonstrating your level of retardation. No one is claiming Obama Care will lead to death squads. For one thing you don't have to send out death squads to kill people with easily curable diseases that will die if they aren't treated. The point here is that once the government takes over health care they will whether anyone likes it or not become the agency that choses who will live and who will die.
Further, the Republican Party lost favor with the voters not becuase they became too conservative on social issues or anything else but because under Rove and Bush they became the party of me too on almost all domestic social spending.
From the also ran for VP in the last presidential election cycle:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby | TPMDC
So, um, bullshit.
The party that espouses personal accountability and hard work are turning in to quitters.
Senator Mel Martinez, Senator Kay Baily and Govenor Sarah Palin all quit.
If we elect a modern day Republican in 2012 do we run the risk they may quit.
The party of family values has two of their leading candidates for the 2012 presidential nomination that do not value their families; Govenor Mark Stanford and Senator John Ensign.
The party of pragmatism that makes decisions with their brains rather than their heart like many liberals are not showing an intelligent constituency. The face of the Republican constituency are Joe the plumber and the overly emotional and uninformed protestors trying to stop any debate on healthcare reform.
The party of Lincoln is alienating the vast majority of minorities in our country.
What is going on?
It is frustrating to me, that so many are shocked at what our government has become. Holding your nose while voting, just to keep another person out that you don't want, along with putting political party first, is what brings about the results and consequences of what we are seeing today.
Instead of putting down the partisan Kool-Aid, and adopting a better modus operandi, many have fallen back into the Republican v Democrat mentality.
Freedom and Liberty is not about party politics. It is not about party loyalty. Party loyalty be damned.
Would you allow yourselves to be in and stay in abusive relationships? Hopefully not. And yet, you allow your employees to steal, lie, cheat, and rape the foundation of this Republic. And for what? So you can keep telling yourself, that party X crap doesn't stink as bad as party Y crap?
The best and only way to fight against an out of control government, is to admit to yourself, that in one way or another, we are all to blame for the current state of our Republic. How can people defend the foundation of this Republic, when they don't know what the foundation is, much less what it states?
According to the foundation of this Republic, the federal government has no business being in the business of universal healthcare. That should be the focus. People need to be educated unfortunately.
Posting on a message board can be constructive, informative, and fun. At the same time, it is not enough. If you are depending on your representatives to listen to you, and vote no on this crap, you are living in another world. The employees do not respect the employers, because the employers have given them no reason to. The employers ( as a whole ) have played the battered wife so long, that is all they know. They have come to see abuse as faithfulness etc.
"We The People" need to rise up and be a thorn in the side of the employees every single day. That takes work. It take dedication. It takes organization. It takes sacrifice. If you are too ambivalent or too busy for such, you deserve the government you get.
It is frustrating to me, that so many are shocked at what our government has become. Holding your nose while voting, just to keep another person out that you don't want, along with putting political party first, is what brings about the results and consequences of what we are seeing today.
Instead of putting down the partisan Kool-Aid, and adopting a better modus operandi, many have fallen back into the Republican v Democrat mentality.
Freedom and Liberty is not about party politics. It is not about party loyalty. Party loyalty be damned.
Would you allow yourselves to be in and stay in abusive relationships? Hopefully not. And yet, you allow your employees to steal, lie, cheat, and rape the foundation of this Republic. And for what? So you can keep telling yourself, that party X crap doesn't stink as bad as party Y crap?
The best and only way to fight against an out of control government, is to admit to yourself, that in one way or another, we are all to blame for the current state of our Republic. How can people defend the foundation of this Republic, when they don't know what the foundation is, much less what it states?
According to the foundation of this Republic, the federal government has no business being in the business of universal healthcare. That should be the focus. People need to be educated unfortunately.
Posting on a message board can be constructive, informative, and fun. At the same time, it is not enough. If you are depending on your representatives to listen to you, and vote no on this crap, you are living in another world. The employees do not respect the employers, because the employers have given them no reason to. The employers ( as a whole ) have played the battered wife so long, that is all they know. They have come to see abuse as faithfulness etc.
"We The People" need to rise up and be a thorn in the side of the employees every single day. That takes work. It take dedication. It takes organization. It takes sacrifice. If you are too ambivalent or too busy for such, you deserve the government you get.
I find some agreement with You BGG. I do disagree about the Foundation and how far back this rift goes. I support The Constitution, though I do not see it as a perfect Document. Neither did the founders. That is why they provided for Constitutional Amendment, which is the only means of remedy I support.
From my perspective, Hamilton had sinister characteristics within himself, and within his contribution to the terminology of the Constitution. He was more Imperialist, than a supporter of free will and self determination. He did reverse himself on three major issues, after getting the Constitution Ratified. Enumerated Powers and General Health and Welfare were two of the reversals. Two of which we are still fighting over today.
I recommend a good read for you. "Reclaiming The American Revolution", by William J Watkins Jr.. I may not agree with everything in it, but I respect it and am thankful for the insight.
The party that espouses personal accountability and hard work are turning in to quitters.
Senator Mel Martinez, Senator Kay Baily and Govenor Sarah Palin all quit.
If we elect a modern day Republican in 2012 do we run the risk they may quit.
The party of family values has two of their leading candidates for the 2012 presidential nomination that do not value their families; Govenor Mark Stanford and Senator John Ensign.
The party of pragmatism that makes decisions with their brains rather than their heart like many liberals are not showing an intelligent constituency. The face of the Republican constituency are Joe the plumber and the overly emotional and uninformed protestors trying to stop any debate on healthcare reform.
The party of Lincoln is alienating the vast majority of minorities in our country.
What is going on?
Is it one party or party politics in general that is failing this country and "We the People". Of course we the people do have the power to take away the stranglehold the "good old boys" party networks have on us and this country. But do we have the guts?
Right winger thanks for demonstrating your level of retardation. No one is claiming Obama Care will lead to death squads. For one thing you don't have to send out death squads to kill people with easily curable diseases that will die if they aren't treated. The point here is that once the government takes over health care they will whether anyone likes it or not become the agency that choses who will live and who will die.
Further, the Republican Party lost favor with the voters not becuase they became too conservative on social issues or anything else but because under Rove and Bush they became the party of me too on almost all domestic social spending.
From the also ran for VP in the last presidential election cycle:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby | TPMDC
So, um, bullshit.
Such a statement from a supposedly credible candidate to lead our nation is reprehensible. If it came from Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter you could understand...but why someone with an eye towards higher office would spout such filth is despicable
Moderates are people with no real conviction other than that they wish one party or the other would just go away and leave them in peace. And they don't really care which party that is. Most of the time they vote against the party of the incumbents because they get more air time and bug them more. They represent the 20% swing vote in almost every election and go far to explaining why the last thing American politics does is reflect any sort of rational consistancy over the last fifty odd years.
A biker the fact of the matter is that you can't get a kidney transplant in France after sixty and after 67 you get to die of kidney failure because they wont give you dialysis either. That is what Palin and a host of other well informed conservatives are talking about. No one is saying that Obama will send out death squads to kill old people. It isn't necessary simple denial of care results in the same thing without the need to buy bullets.
The party that espouses personal accountability and hard work are turning in to quitters.
Senator Mel Martinez, Senator Kay Baily and Govenor Sarah Palin all quit.
If we elect a modern day Republican in 2012 do we run the risk they may quit.
The party of family values has two of their leading candidates for the 2012 presidential nomination that do not value their families; Govenor Mark Stanford and Senator John Ensign.
The party of pragmatism that makes decisions with their brains rather than their heart like many liberals are not showing an intelligent constituency. The face of the Republican constituency are Joe the plumber and the overly emotional and uninformed protestors trying to stop any debate on healthcare reform.
The party of Lincoln is alienating the vast majority of minorities in our country.
What is going on?
Is it one party or party politics in general that is failing this country and "We the People". Of course we the people do have the power to take away the stranglehold the "good old boys" party networks have on us and this country. But do we have the guts?
Right winger thanks for demonstrating your level of retardation. No one is claiming Obama Care will lead to death squads. For one thing you don't have to send out death squads to kill people with easily curable diseases that will die if they aren't treated. The point here is that once the government takes over health care they will whether anyone likes it or not become the agency that choses who will live and who will die.
Further, the Republican Party lost favor with the voters not becuase they became too conservative on social issues or anything else but because under Rove and Bush they became the party of me too on almost all domestic social spending.
From the also ran for VP in the last presidential election cycle:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."
Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby | TPMDC
So, um, bullshit.
Elmer, There is a time and place for compromise, it is not always appropriate. If I stole $100.00 from you and gave $50.00 back, would that be appropriate? I think that by violating your right to property, I violated a moral code, I violated a Civil Law. When compromise brings Violation, Loss of Life, loss of Liberty, Loss of Property, I Truly have to Justify the Decision and compare the value of what is lost to what is gained. When my decision or vote compromises others against their will and better judgement, I carry a greater burden. I need to Justify more, not less the purpose behind what I do, as much as the Method. Nobody has moral justification signing anything into law that they have neither read nor understand, or support. That is a Breach of Trust.
Moderates are people with no real conviction other than that they wish one party or the other would just go away and leave them in peace. And they don't really care which party that is. Most of the time they vote against the party of the incumbents because they get more air time and bug them more. They represent the 20% swing vote in almost every election and go far to explaining why the last thing American politics does is reflect any sort of rational consistancy over the last fifty odd years.
A biker the fact of the matter is that you can't get a kidney transplant in France after sixty and after 67 you get to die of kidney failure because they wont give you dialysis either. That is what Palin and a host of other well informed conservatives are talking about. No one is saying that Obama will send out death squads to kill old people. It isn't necessary simple denial of care results in the same thing without the need to buy bullets.
Biker, the truth about today's "moderates" is what Gary is saying, though.Moderates are people with no real conviction other than that they wish one party or the other would just go away and leave them in peace. And they don't really care which party that is. Most of the time they vote against the party of the incumbents because they get more air time and bug them more. They represent the 20% swing vote in almost every election and go far to explaining why the last thing American politics does is reflect any sort of rational consistancy over the last fifty odd years.
A biker the fact of the matter is that you can't get a kidney transplant in France after sixty and after 67 you get to die of kidney failure because they wont give you dialysis either. That is what Palin and a host of other well informed conservatives are talking about. No one is saying that Obama will send out death squads to kill old people. It isn't necessary simple denial of care results in the same thing without the need to buy bullets.
Provide a link where that is the truth ya pussy or shut the fuck up.
You're probably one of those Palin kool aid followers who think that Obama is going to send Trig in front of a death panel as well eh?
You were too much of a pussy to stay in the military, yet you tell me what an expert you are............three years and zero leadership doesn't make you an expert on gays in the military.
Neither does watching FAUX News and quoting Palin without anything to back it up.
Try again asshole.
Me? I consider him a dumb token image that the Repubs use. I don't care if he's moderate, right, left, pragmatic, whatever.Question..........what would you consider the RNC chairman Steele?
