What is an American?

[☭proletarian☭]

Sorry, Noose, but America's actions do have reprecussions

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Hitler declared war on us before we took military action against him, his declaration of war upon us made him partners with the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor thus by proxy involving Germany in that attack upon the U.S.

Not quite. In 1940, the US passed the Lend-Lease act, The US intention to support England with finances and materials in their war against Germany was clear. This meant the US was no longer neutral, but had declared war de facto upon Germany. We simply hadn't declared any intention of sending troops.

nope, no declaration of war had been made, consumer trade is very much different from combat operations.

Arms are not 'consumer goods'.

Of course, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if we were talking about sending money to Al Queda.

 

[uscitizen]

Hitler declared war on us before we took military action against him, his declaration of war upon us made him partners with the Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor thus by proxy involving Germany in that attack upon the U.S.

Not quite. In 1940, the US passed the Lend-Lease act, The US intention to support England with finances and materials in their war against Germany was clear. This meant the US was no longer neutral, but had declared war de facto upon Germany. We simply hadn't declared any intention of sending troops.

nope, no declaration of war had been made, consumer trade is very much different from combat operations.

didn't we provide pilots? Unoficially of course.

 

[noose4]

Not quite. In 1940, the US passed the Lend-Lease act, The US intention to support England with finances and materials in their war against Germany was clear. This meant the US was no longer neutral, but had declared war de facto upon Germany. We simply hadn't declared any intention of sending troops.

nope, no declaration of war had been made, consumer trade is very much different from combat operations.

Arms are not 'consumer goods'.

Of course, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if we were talking about sending money to Al Queda.

Great Britain was and is an established government, Al quaeda is not, funny having a commie defend nazi's, and arms being sold to a nation is indeed a consumer good and not an act of war.

 

[noose4]

Not quite. In 1940, the US passed the Lend-Lease act, The US intention to support England with finances and materials in their war against Germany was clear. This meant the US was no longer neutral, but had declared war de facto upon Germany. We simply hadn't declared any intention of sending troops.

nope, no declaration of war had been made, consumer trade is very much different from combat operations.

didn't we provide pilots? Unoficially of course.

They volunteered on their own not at the behest of the U.S. government, many pilots also volunteered in China to fight the Japanese.

 

[Toro]

welll... White land-owning men, anyway

Today, the ideals do not apply merely to white, land-owning men.

Let's ask China, India, Cuba, Venezuela...

Shall we?

Not really. We kept the Russians from getting stronger and left the Afghans with the aftermath.

And this is bad why? By your logic, preventing Hitler from getting stronger in 1934 would have been a bad thing.

right... we wanted to kill our old CIA opuppet because he turned on us. We never cared about the Afghans until 9/11, just like we never gave a shit about the Jews until Dec 7th, 1941

So, in other words America is bad because we intervene and is bad because we don't intervene? Which is it?

Let's open our textbooks and see how America treated the Chinese, Italians, Polish, Irish, and other immigrants in reality...

And in reality, all those people kept coming and all those people have built this country what it is today - the greatest in the world.

Immigrants almost always have had a difficult time assimilating into a new country. Holding America to higher standard than every other place in the world is not serious.

Hitler never attacked us.

He attacked our allies.

Only after we invaded- or did you never actually read a history book?

Invaded what? Japan? China? The USSR?

 

[Toro]

What?

America is the richest, most prosperous nation the world has ever seen.

See the stats earlier in the thread

America is the richest, most prosperous nation the world has ever seen.

Rank ↓ Country ↓ GDP (millions of USD) ↓
World World 60,917,477[4]
European Union 18,387,785[4]
1 United States 14,441,425
2 Japan 4,910,692
3 China 4,327,448h
4 Germany 3,673,105
5 France 2,866,951
6 United Kingdom 2,680,000
7 Italy 2,313,893
8 Russia 1,676,586
9 Spain 1,601,964
10 Brazil 1,572,839

 

[☭proletarian☭]

nope, no declaration of war had been made, consumer trade is very much different from combat operations.

Arms are not 'consumer goods'.

Of course, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if we were talking about sending money to Al Queda.

Great Britain was and is an established government, Al quaeda is not,

Fine, replace 'Al Queda' with 'The Taliban'. The FF were not an established government, either- they were terrorists and murderers.

 

[uscitizen]

nope, no declaration of war had been made, consumer trade is very much different from combat operations.

didn't we provide pilots? Unoficially of course.

They volunteered on their own not at the behest of the U.S. government, many pilots also volunteered in China to fight the Japanese.

And were unoficially sanctioned by the US govt.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

And this is bad why? By your logic, preventing Hitler from getting stronger in 1934 would have been a bad thing.

Not what I said. And if we killed all their leaders and washed our ahnds while a bloody civil war broke out, that would be on our hands.

And in reality, all those people kept coming and all those people have built this country what it is today - the greatest in the world.

By what measure?

Immigrants almost always have had a difficult time assimilating into a new country. Holding America to higher standard than every other place in the world is not serious.

So we're not so exceptional?

He attacked our allies.

Invaded what? Japan? China? The USSR?

Cuba, Vietnam...

 

[☭proletarian☭]

America is the richest, most prosperous nation the world has ever seen.

See the stats earlier in the thread

America is the richest, most prosperous nation the world has ever seen.

Rank ↓ Country ↓ GDP (millions of USD) ↓
World World 60,917,477[4]
European Union 18,387,785[4]
1 United States 14,441,425
2 Japan 4,910,692
3 China 4,327,448h
4 Germany 3,673,105
5 France 2,866,951
6 United Kingdom 2,680,000
7 Italy 2,313,893
8 Russia 1,676,586
9 Spain 1,601,964
10 Brazil 1,572,839

more population is all it is. Look ast the PER CAPITA GDP

HIGHEST GDP PER CAPITA1 (PPP in U.S. dollars): 2008
1. Qatar $87,600
2. Luxembourg 79,400
3. Kuwait 55,900
4. Norway 53,300
5. Brunei 51,000
6. Singapore 49,900
7. Ireland 46,600
8. United States 45,800
8. Iceland 40,400
9. Switzerland 40,100
10. Austria 39,300[

 

[uscitizen]

And this is bad why? By your logic, preventing Hitler from getting stronger in 1934 would have been a bad thing.

Not what I said. And if we killed all their leaders and washed our ahnds while a bloody civil war broke out, that would be on our hands.

And in reality, all those people kept coming and all those people have built this country what it is today - the greatest in the world.

By what measure?

Immigrants almost always have had a difficult time assimilating into a new country. Holding America to higher standard than every other place in the world is not serious.

So we're not so exceptional?

He attacked our allies.

Invaded what? Japan? China? The USSR?

Cuba, Vietnam...

Letsa not forget Grenada and Nicaragua (for the upteenth time).

 

[Truthmatters]

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Peter Ferrarar wrote this.

 

[noose4]

Arms are not 'consumer goods'.

Of course, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if we were talking about sending money to Al Queda.

Great Britain was and is an established government, Al quaeda is not,

Fine, replace 'Al Queda' with 'The Taliban'. The FF were not an established government, either- they were terrorists and murderers.

And the Soviet Union invaded their land unprovoked, shit happens.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Great Britain was and is an established government, Al quaeda is not,

Fine, replace 'Al Queda' with 'The Taliban'. The FF were not an established government, either- they were terrorists and murderers.

And the Soviet Union invaded their land unprovoked, shit happens.

Awesome, so it's okay if the US does shit because the Russians did it first? The irony expressed here is delicious

 

[noose4]

Fine, replace 'Al Queda' with 'The Taliban'. The FF were not an established government, either- they were terrorists and murderers.

And the Soviet Union invaded their land unprovoked, shit happens.

Awesome, so it's okay if the US does shit because the Russians did it first? The irony expressed here is delicious

We didnt invade Afghanistan unprovoked.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

And this is bad why? By your logic, preventing Hitler from getting stronger in 1934 would have been a bad thing.

Not what I said. And if we killed all their leaders and washed our ahnds while a bloody civil war broke out, that would be on our hands.


By what measure?


So we're not so exceptional?

He attacked our allies.

Invaded what? Japan? China? The USSR?

Cuba, Vietnam...

Letsa not forget Grenada and Nicaragua (for the upteenth time).

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to uscitizen again.

The International Court of Justice found that the U.S. had violated international law by supporting Contra guerrillas in their war against the Nicaraguan government and by mining Nicaragua's harbors. The United States refused to participate after the Court rejected its argument that the ICJ lacked jurisdiction to hear the case. The US later blocked enforcement by the Security Council, making Nicaraguan attempts at obtaining compliance futile.[2]

Nicaragua v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grenada, for those at home, was another former European colony (British)

 

[☭proletarian☭]

And the Soviet Union invaded their land unprovoked, shit happens.

Awesome, so it's okay if the US does shit because the Russians did it first? The irony expressed here is delicious

We didnt invade Afghanistan unprovoked.

The nation of Afghanistan attacked the US? Did they use Weapons of Mass Destruction from Iraq? Did this guy lead the charge?

 

[noose4]

Awesome, so it's okay if the US does shit because the Russians did it first? The irony expressed here is delicious

We didnt invade Afghanistan unprovoked.

The nation of Afghanistan attacked the US? Did they use Weapons of Mass Destruction from Iraq? Did this guy lead the charge?

The nation of Afghanistan provided safe haven to those responsible for the attacks on 9/11, they have gotten what they deserve, Iraq is an unnecessary war.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

So first Iraq was a response to attack... then it was about WMDs... now it's just 'necessary'? Can you idiot right-wingers just pick one story and stick with it?

And they had more ties to Iran than Afghanistan. But the US is scared to fight Iran- I get that. Just try being honest for a change. Aren't you people supposed to think lying is a sin?