what is an American?

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    I'm interested to know:

    1. how do 'mericans define themselves
    2. separate themselves from other 'mericans
    3. define/view the majority of americans

    for the Canadians, Mexicans and other Americans who aren't of the united states, I don't mean to offend. It's just nobody even tries to say they're a united statesian:D Act as if I were referring to all 'mericans if you like. If you hate being lumped in with the us on the basis of geography, feel free to state that.

    for true geographic non-Americans who have never been to America or the US, what do we really look like from over there?

    For everybody:

    1.What would you think of an 'American Union'?
    2.Would it be less or more offensive if it were simply called the United States?
    3.didn't an 'american union' already happen a while ago? If so why did it fail?
    4.Is the EU more like the United States or the UN?
     
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    1) As an American. My bloodline comes from many European countries, for the most part German, but I am American. My family has fought in every war fought by the USA since the Revolutionary War.

    2) I work my butt off every day, and it pisses me off to see wealthy Democrats / Liberals whining about people that have not. They love talking about 'wealth redistribution' and promote class warfare. What a crock! They're socialists / communists, they just haven't come out of the weeds yet.

    If you want to succeed, get off your ass and work for it! No one owes them a damn thing, but they believe it is owed. How many people do you know of that rose to true greatness by having a free ride? The great ones struggled for years and were fiercely competitive. How much competition do you see with welfare?

    3) I believe the majority of Americans are decent, caring people. I believe most of them are weary of the ignorant liberals that do nothing but piss and moan about how terrible this great country is. I think there is a 'Silent Majority' - I used to be one of them. Next year will tell the story in the elections.
     
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    I am An American
    by Elias Lieberman



    I am an American.
    My father belongs to the Sons of the Revolution;
    My mother, to the Colonial Dames.
    One of my ancestors pitched tea overboard in Boston Harbor;
    Another stood his ground with Warren;
    Another hungered with Washington at Valley Forge.
    My forefathers were America in the making:
    They spoke in her council halls;
    They died on her battlefields;
    They commanded her ships;
    They cleared her forests.
    Dawns reddened and paled.
    Stanch hearts of mine beat fast at each new star
    In the nation's flag.
    Keen eyes of mine foresaw her greater glory:
    The sweep of her seas,
    The plenty of her plains,
    The man-hives in her billion-wired cities.
    Every drop of blood in me holds a heritage of patriotism.
    I am proud of my past.
    I am an American.

    I am an American.
    My father was an atom of dust,
    My mother a straw in the wind,
    To his serene majesty.
    One of my ancestors died in the mines of Siberia;
    Another was crippled for life by twenty blows of the knout;
    Another was killed defending his home during the massacres.
    The history of my ancestors is a trail of blood
    To the palace gate of the Great White Czar.
    But then the dream came
    The dream of America.
    In the light of the Liberty torch
    The atom of dust became a man
    And the straw in the wind became a woman
    For the first time.
    "See," said my father, pointing to the flag that fluttered near,
    "That flag of stars and stripes is yours;
    It is the emblem of the promised land,
    It means, my son, the hope of humanity.
    Live for it die for it!"
    Under the open sky of my new country I swore to do so;
    And every drop of blood in me will keep that vow.
    I am proud of my future.

    I am an American.
     
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    1) As an American. My bloodline comes from many European countries, for the most part German, but I am American. My family has fought in every war fought by the USA since the Revolutionary War.

    2) I work my butt off every day, and it pisses me off to see wealthy Democrats / Liberals whining about people that have not. They love talking about 'wealth redistribution' and promote class warfare. What a crock! They're socialists / communists, they just haven't come out of the weeds yet.

    If you want to succeed, get off your ass and work for it! No one owes them a damn thing, but they believe it is owed. How many people do you know of that rose to true greatness by having a free ride? The great ones struggled for years and were fiercely competitive. How much competition do you see with welfare?

    point # 2: Most poor people who make 6-10 dollars an hour and work hard at crappy jobs are not slackers or commies, but see that there is inequality built in to the system. If you're rich, its easy to stay rich, if you're poor, it's damn hard to get rich.
    Without inventing a new product or winning the lottery, most people can make a modest income but this whole "pull yourself up with your bootstraps" motiff is not realistic. Too many hard working people who have to do that just to scrape by, and too many middle class people who had every sense of opportunity and education since they were kids moaning about the welfare Mom's who are dragging the economy down. please. try spending a day with a single parent who works 70 hours a week at some dive and her kids cry because they didn't get a $50 toy other kids got (that cost $1 to make) and explain to them this free ride they are on.

    Sorry for the rant... but this is what forums are for, ne c'est pas?
     
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    You have somewhat of a point there scourge about the trouble with being poor and getting rich. It can be quite difficult for a person to dig themselves out of that hole. It has been my observation though that many people in that situation dug the hole themselves.

    Secondly most of the rich people in this country got rich by exactley the means u mention. that had some sort of unique idea, yet you say it like it's a bad thing.

    The whole "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" theme isn't unrealistic at all. There are very few exorbitantley rich peopel in this country and they got that way by doing exactley that. Essentially they have been paid for the use of their minds. it isn't a matter of how "hard" you work. Really there aren't a lot of jobs in this country that are truly taxing on the brain. Those jobs that do pay the most.

    There are boundless opportunities in this country, but it seems that many forget what an opportunity is. They must be siezed not given.

    I had something else rather righteous to say, but have forgotten.
     
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    You have somewhat of a point there scourge about the trouble with being poor and getting rich. It can be quite difficult for a person to dig themselves out of that hole. It has been my observation though that many people in that situation dug the hole themselves.

    Secondly most of the rich people in this country got rich by exactley the means u mention. that had some sort of unique idea, yet you say it like it's a bad thing.

    WHOA! According to you most of the rich people got rich because of inventing something or winning the lottery? Wait, what about all those born into privilege and handed everything they have (sorry Mr. president!) it doesn't take ethics or hard work or ingenuity to come from a wealthy family or be brought up with only elite opportunities available. A lot of good, harworking people who aren't stupid (even if the don't invent the next Rubic's Cube) will have to deal with layoffs/temp work/medical issues and other things the wealthy elite have little concept of. Layoffs to a CEO mean more profits!
     
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    It would help if you used the quote function built into the board, as I've just done, so readers can tell what words are yours and what you are quoting.
     
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    My bad, sorry brother.
    My Commodore is fast, I just don't know how to use it.
     
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    No problem, it's just much better when highlighted apart from the rest of the text.

    Thanks :)
     

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