What is a 'real' conservative?

[amrchaos]

Taken from

What is a real conservative these days Yahoo Answers

"I have heard a number of people claim that such-and-such a candidate is the "real" or "true" conservative. But there are so many flavors of conservatism these days that I am not sure what "real" means anymore. There are neoconservatives, social conservatives, the religious right, Libertarian conservatives, etc.--all stake the claim to being the real deal.

As someone who leans left, can someone define for me "conservatism" and explain why their brand of conservatism is the legitimate form of it? Thanks." by bluevent47


I think that is a great question!! What exactly is a real conservative? Are there fake conservatives? What do they believe in? How do you identify them? What is their political focus?

For a long time, I thought a conservative was someone who took a conservative stance on some issues. But it seems like that is not the case.

Are you a 'REAL' conservative? If so, tell us what it means to be 'Real' and why the others are not.

 

[The Rabbi]

What is a "troll thread"?

 

[amrchaos]

A troll thread is a thread that invites arguments

Like "Do you miss him yet" and "Hillary supporter back repealing Bill of Rights"

However, this thread does not invite argument, since the discussion of who are real conservatives and who are not is a common theme on this board.

Unlike asking support for an unpopular president or promoting a lie.

 

[Correll]

In my opinion it comes down to if your positions are based on Enlightenment Principles as was our Constitution.

 

[The Rabbi]

A troll thread is a thread that invites arguments

Like "Do you miss him yet" and "Hillary supporter back repealing Bill of Rights"

However, this thread does not invite argument, since the discussion of who are real conservatives and who are not is a common theme on this board.

Unlike asking support for an unpopular president or promoting a lie.

OK that's a fail.
So far your argument has been: A conervative believes in conservative stuff. Which is circuular reasoning.

 

[BluesLegend]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

 

[TheOldSchool]

A troll thread is a thread that invites arguments

Like "Do you miss him yet" and "Hillary supporter back repealing Bill of Rights"

However, this thread does not invite argument, since the discussion of who are real conservatives and who are not is a common theme on this board.

Unlike asking support for an unpopular president or promoting a lie.

 

[amrchaos]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Do you want to know what I think those terms mean?
or
Do you want me to google the definition of those terms for you?

I will say one thing about those labels. Social conservatives tend to identify themselves as social conservatives. Like Huckabee and Santorum. Religious right is most likely a liberal term.

 

[amrchaos]

A troll thread is a thread that invites arguments

Like "Do you miss him yet" and "Hillary supporter back repealing Bill of Rights"

However, this thread does not invite argument, since the discussion of who are real conservatives and who are not is a common theme on this board.

Unlike asking support for an unpopular president or promoting a lie.

OK that's a fail.
So far your argument has been: A conervative believes in conservative stuff. Which is circuular reasoning.

I did not say "A conervative believes in conservative stuff." you said that.

I said I thought a conservative was someone who supported some conservative issues. I left the issue of belief alone. Can you support a conservative issue but do not believe in 'conservative stuff'. I think so. I think that makes a person a conservative on that issue. Is that the wrong way way to apply the label 'conservative'?

 

[TheOldSchool]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Neoconservative - wants to piss off the world, send our children to die in far away places, and piss away trillions of dollars

Social Conservative - hates brown people, hates nonchristians, terrified of new ideas, terrified of the world outside the U.S., wants to establish social laws similar to those in Iran

Religious Right - evangelical Social Conservatives; can be used as a label for most social conservatives

 

[BluesLegend]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Do you want to know what I think those terms mean?
or
Do you want me to google the definition of those terms for you?

I will say one thing about those labels. Social conservatives tend to identify themselves as social conservatives. Like Huckabee and Santorum. Religious right is most likely a liberal term.

Its your thread, I think its reasonable to ask you to define what you feel each of those stereotype labels mean since you threw them on the table. Then we conservatives will mock you.

 

[BluesLegend]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Neoconservative - wants to piss off the world, send our children to die in far away places, and piss away trillions of dollars

Social Conservative - hates brown people, hates nonchristians, terrified of new ideas, terrified of the world outside the U.S., wants to establish social laws similar to those in Iran

Religious Right - evangelical Social Conservatives; can be used as a label for most social conservatives

Seems rational /eyeroll

 

[TheOldSchool]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Neoconservative - wants to piss off the world, send our children to die in far away places, and piss away trillions of dollars

Social Conservative - hates brown people, hates nonchristians, terrified of new ideas, terrified of the world outside the U.S., wants to establish social laws similar to those in Iran

Religious Right - evangelical Social Conservatives; can be used as a label for most social conservatives

Seems rational /eyeroll

I could dress it up in flowery words like "traditional" and "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" but I thought it'd be better to keep it short and cut out the BS.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Someone that defends the family, the culture and the heritage of this nation.

 

[MACAULAY]

The classic Conservative is someone who is pretty happy with the way things are; and the classic Liberal is one who never looks at a situation without wanting to change it.

A love of Habit as opposed to a love of Novelty.

This was first identified in English polity during the Long Parliament in the 1640's and the two different groups worked together to build great civilizations--the English and the American Societies, one or the other, neither perfect---but they have set the standard on this planet for how to do things right for centuries.

The Liberals pulled the Conservatives along on things that truly needed change and society progressed; and the Conservatives kept the reckless emperics from running everyone off a cliff...like Hitler did Germany and Mussolini did Italy--they being just 2 examples of what can happen when Change just for Change's sake becomes all the rage.

In America, the Liberals learned that borrowing money kept the consequences of recklessness from becoming immediately evident---they did what de Tocqueville warned might happen--they learned that they could bribe the people with their own money....only the Left-Wing Loons have morphed into such outrageous Socialists that they are buying votes now with our children's money.

So, today, when a good faith Conservative like Paul Ryan makes a well considered proposal to save Social Security and Medicare (which will go broke just like Detroit did---just like Chicago and Baltimore and other Libero-Socialists-run rotting cities in the North will do)--what do we get?

We get a Ryan look-a-like throwing an old woman off a cliff---to this day the lowest trick the damn Bolsheviks have played.

Because of the Welfare State, and the influx of illegals to that Welfare State TiT, the Liberals have found many allies who have no use for the English-American Ethic--except to suck off of it while there is something left to suck.

The Classic Liberal is gone. Today's Liberal just wants: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".

Today's Liberal just wants the Free Stuff to keep coming--and they want more of it. That's the change they want today. More Free Stuff.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Someone that defends the family, the culture and the heritage of this nation.

Ah glad your here Matthew you are a perfect example.

Matthew is an economic liberal; and a social conservative. I believe he votes Democrat am I correct Matthew?

 

[BluesLegend]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Neoconservative - wants to piss off the world, send our children to die in far away places, and piss away trillions of dollars

Social Conservative - hates brown people, hates nonchristians, terrified of new ideas, terrified of the world outside the U.S., wants to establish social laws similar to those in Iran

Religious Right - evangelical Social Conservatives; can be used as a label for most social conservatives

Seems rational /eyeroll

I could dress it up in flowery words like "traditional" and "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" but I thought it'd be better to keep it short and cut out the BS.

Your post is well, ridiculous and destroys your credibility.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Wrote this on another thread:

A conservative understands taxation, government regulation, isolationism, immigration, legal and illegal, the need for social welfare, the need for an educated populace, anything that begins with the word Public, the balance between progress and tradition, and the balance between rights and responsibilities. Not a one of those can be found here. Here there are American Taliban and Nazis, reactionaries of all stripes, xenophobes, Fox News addicts, and Ayn Rand kids too stupid to even deal with.

A conservative is an adult who deals with the the real world, their worldview, their guiding philosophy, by respecting solutions that have worked in the past, what we have already built and hopefully paid for. They are well aware that this is, and always has been, a liberal nation founded on the principles of liberalism, which grants to us liberty, a thing easily misused by the immoral, the selfish, and the uneducated. A conservative speaks out for reform, not screams like a child for things to be torn down. A conservative would be a welcome addition to a site and a society in which they are no longer found. A conservative looks at the modern GOP, and shakes their head if not lowers it in disgrace. A conservative knows that being lumped together with someone like Sarah Palin is shameful, and should never have been allowed since she speaks only for herself, not a something a true conservative would ever do.

A true conservative knows and respects the past but they are neither blind nor attempt to hold back the future. A true conservative does what they can with what they have. They do not want to turn back the clock, they want to take the time necessary to make sure that going forward this way or that isn't not only going to make things worse, but waste time and money in the process. Find me one of those guys and the real debate begins.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Neoconservative - wants to piss off the world, send our children to die in far away places, and piss away trillions of dollars

Social Conservative - hates brown people, hates nonchristians, terrified of new ideas, terrified of the world outside the U.S., wants to establish social laws similar to those in Iran

Religious Right - evangelical Social Conservatives; can be used as a label for most social conservatives

Seems rational /eyeroll

I could dress it up in flowery words like "traditional" and "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" but I thought it'd be better to keep it short and cut out the BS.

Your post is well, ridiculous and destroys your credibility.

Yet you keep replying

 

[amrchaos]

Please define the following liberal stereotypes "neoconservative", "social conservative", and "religious right" then 'maybe' there can be a discussion.

Do you want to know what I think those terms mean?
or
Do you want me to google the definition of those terms for you?

I will say one thing about those labels. Social conservatives tend to identify themselves as social conservatives. Like Huckabee and Santorum. Religious right is most likely a liberal term.

Its your thread, I think its reasonable to ask you to define what you feel each of those stereotype labels mean since you threw them on the table. Then we conservatives will mock you.

Actually, I did not.

I asked what a real conservative was, the source that inspired the question, blueevent47, used those terms.

I do not think I have to google those definitions for you. Nor do I think I have to provide definitions for terms that were introduced by the source to illustrate the different types of conservatisms out there.

In other words, I don't need to have a discussion with you. There are lots of conservatives out there that are willing to discuss what a 'real' conservative means to them without a test.