What is a proper waiting period.

[candycorn]

There is no waiting period now. You go to a gun show and apparently, you can walk out with a small arsenal.

The upshot is that the same dissident factions that tell you "If you ban guns, criminals will be able to get them" are the ones insisting on maintaining these gun show loopholes.

False, Have you ever been to a gun show?

So you can buy an unlimited number of guns, totally without a background check, totally without a waiting period, and totally if you're nuts; you just need to find a private seller at the gun show?

Right?

chirp chirp

 

[OODA_Loop]

So you can buy an unlimited number of guns, totally without a background check, totally without a waiting period, and totally if you're nuts; you just need to find a private seller at the gun show?

Right?

chirp chirp

A private seller anywhere.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And here I thought you wanted to have an adult conversation about this topic.

My bad.

What kind of additional questions do you now propose ? (at least for the immediate time being)

First it was why do you want the gun ? Target shooting.

What else ?

I never suggested one question. You did. I said "talk to". There's a difference.

But you don't care. You've already shown disdain for a rational attempt to limit mentally ill people from freely acquiring guns. I think your opinion is clear on the subject.

The mentally ill are already barred from buying firearms. Your problem is you think you should get to randomly decide who is and who is not competent. The law is clear. Mental incompetence must be officially declared by a competent authority, usually a Judge.

 

[buckeye45_73]

WAit a second, first I just want to make sure I've got that right, left wingers are actually "descriminating" against the mentally ill to prevent them from having weapons? is this true? You mean descrimination isnt ALWAYS a bad thing, next thing you know they'll be for profiling........my God, common sense may indeed win out....

chirp chirp

 

[buckeye45_73]

But you don't care. You've already shown disdain for a rational attempt to limit mentally ill people from freely acquiring guns. I think your opinion is clear on the subject.

No limit the mentally ill's rights.

Not the law abiding.

You have it backwards.

If Holmes required as much psych medication as has been indicated thus far why was he not adjudicated incompetent which under present law would have prevented the purchase of the weapons he used?

An excellent question. I would assume because there is shit poor focus in this country on keeping mentally ill people from acquiring weapons or helping them in general.

Well it helps when we dont declare eveyone mentailly ill. I mean 1 out ever 4 people have autism...blab blah blah....

We used to have institutions for mentally ill, but somepeople didnt like them (One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest ring a bell?)

Here is one
Inside The Nation's Largest Mental Institution : NPR
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/11/3/186.full.pdf

Then, a social movement aimed at freeing patients from big, overcrowded and often squalid state hospitals succeeded. Rather than leading to quality treatment in small, community settings, however, it often resulted in no treatment at all.

Now WHO is big in social movements that cause UNINTENDED consequence.....OOOOPS

or ADD or ADHA, those are not real problems, kids have energy and they dont like to be confined in class, you dont have to drug them for it.

So in essence liberals let mentally ill people OUT of the assylums and then bitch because they get guns, If your fucking social engineering didnt fuck it up the first time, we wouldnt have this problem......And yea that's also the same issue that cause the homeless....and somehow republicans were blamed for it.....Unfucking believable....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinstitutionalization

Community services that developed include supported housing with full or partial supervision and specialised teams (such as assertive community treatment and early intervention teams). Costs have been reported as generally equivalent to inpatient hospitalisation, even lower in some cases (depending on how well or poorly funded the community alternatives are).[6]
Although deinstitutionalisation has been positive for the majority of patients, it also has severe shortcomings.[11] Expectations that community care would lead to fuller social integration have not been achieved; many remain without work, have limited social contacts, and often live in sheltered environments.[citation needed]
New community services are often uncoordinated and unable to meet complex needs. Services in the community sometimes isolate the mentally ill within a new ghetto, where service users meet each other but have little contact with the rest of the public community. It has been said that instead of "community psychiatry", reforms established a "psychiatric community".[6]
Existing patients are often discharged without sufficient preparation or support. A greater proportion of people with mental disorders become homeless or go to prison.[6] Families can often play a crucial role in the care of those who would typically be placed in long-term treatment centres. However, many mentally ill people are resistant to such help due to the nature of their conditions. The majority of those who would be under continuous care in long-stay psychiatric hospitals are paranoid and delusional to the point that they refuse help, believing they do not need it, which makes it difficult to treat them.[12]


So we stopped listening to you dumb fucking ideas......your "equality" as you put it, is a joke and causes alot more problems than is solves

 

[OODA_Loop]

Serotonin,Dopamine and Norepinephrine Re-uptake Inhibitors are big contributors to the issue.

They say right on the package "may cause suicidal ideation".

You can get them like candy for the slightest bout of blues from most primary care physicians many of which are incapable of properly managing them.

 

[candycorn]

So you can buy an unlimited number of guns, totally without a background check, totally without a waiting period, and totally if you're nuts; you just need to find a private seller at the gun show?

Right?

chirp chirp

A private seller anywhere.

Which is my point...there actually IS NO WAITING PERIOD.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Which is my point...there actually IS NO WAITING PERIOD.

Not from a private seller if private sales are not otherwise prohibited by State law and you can find someone to sell you what you seek.

 

[candycorn]

This must be where the criminals would be able to get their bazillion round mags if we ban their legitimate sale. I'm glad we can all agree that we should ban these private sellers too.

 

[CMike]

What do you feel should be the proper waiting period to buy a gun.
1- 3 days
2- 5 days
3- 7 days
4- 9 days

There shouldn't be one.

Someone may get a gun because he/ she feels that his life is in imminent danger.

 

[DontBeStupid]

What kind of additional questions do you now propose ? (at least for the immediate time being)

First it was why do you want the gun ? Target shooting.

What else ?

I never suggested one question. You did. I said "talk to". There's a difference.

But you don't care. You've already shown disdain for a rational attempt to limit mentally ill people from freely acquiring guns. I think your opinion is clear on the subject.

The mentally ill are already barred from buying firearms. Your problem is you think you should get to randomly decide who is and who is not competent. The law is clear. Mental incompetence must be officially declared by a competent authority, usually a Judge.

Right. And when does the judge decide that? When a person goes to buy a gun? No.

So, if we don't want the mentally ill buying guns, why are we not checking for mentally ill people who are buying guns? That's my point.

 

[Dr Grump]

What do you feel should be the proper waiting period to buy a gun.
1- 3 days
2- 5 days
3- 7 days
4- 9 days

Depends on the efficiency of a state's bureaucracy. Enough time to find out if the person is a convicted felon or is looney as a tune...

 

[OODA_Loop]

So, if we don't want the mentally ill buying guns, why are we not checking for mentally ill people who are buying guns? That's my point.

We need more effective processing of the mentally ill thru adjudication to strip them of their right to own firearms. Break down the doctor / patient privilege of the mentally ill, not the law abiding enjoying Constitutional freedoms.

Diagnosis supported by due process is the fast lane to disarmament.

 

[LeftofLeft]

What do you feel should be the proper waiting period to buy a gun.
1- 3 days
2- 5 days
3- 7 days
4- 9 days

For in-person purchases:
Present a valid carry permit...go home with a gun.

Do not have a carry permit? Go home with a gun.

There is no need for a waiting period.

There is a brief waiting period inherent in on-line and mail order weapons. You have to wait until it arrives.

Lee Harvey Oswald needed his gun yesterday.
James Earl Ray needed his gun yesterday.
Sirhan Sirhan needed his gun yesterday.
Squeaky Fromme needed her gun yesterday.
John Hinkley Jr. needed his gun yesterday.
Major Nadal Hassan needed his gun yesterday.
Jared Laughner needed his gun yesterday.

John and Mary Q Public must wait for their firearms to protect themselves.

 

[DontBeStupid]

So, if we don't want the mentally ill buying guns, why are we not checking for mentally ill people who are buying guns? That's my point.

We need more effective processing of the mentally ill thru adjudication to strip them of their right to own firearms. Break down the doctor / patient privilege of the mentally ill, not the law abiding enjoying Constitutional freedoms.

Diagnosis supported by due process is the fast lane to disarmament.

Or in other words ... you don't want us checking.

 

[OODA_Loop]

So, if we don't want the mentally ill buying guns, why are we not checking for mentally ill people who are buying guns? That's my point.

We need more effective processing of the mentally ill thru adjudication to strip them of their right to own firearms. Break down the doctor / patient privilege of the mentally ill, not the law abiding enjoying Constitutional freedoms.

Diagnosis supported by due process is the fast lane to disarmament.

Or in other words ... you don't want us checking.

Sound, lawful Americans are not going to a doctor to get clearance to buy a gun.

Why would you not want a doctor to step out of confidentialty and be able to fast track disarmament of the mentally ill thru due process ?

 

[DontBeStupid]

We need more effective processing of the mentally ill thru adjudication to strip them of their right to own firearms. Break down the doctor / patient privilege of the mentally ill, not the law abiding enjoying Constitutional freedoms.

Diagnosis supported by due process is the fast lane to disarmament.

Or in other words ... you don't want us checking.

Sound, lawful Americans are not going to a doctor to get clearance to buy a gun.

Why would you not want a doctor to step out of confidentialty and be able to fast track disarmament of the mentally ill thru due process ?

Because in this country, the mentally ill don't need to go to a doctor to buy a weapon. So by putting the burden on the doctor, you allow any mentally ill person to buy a weapon.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Put the fucking crazies back in assylum.....problem solved.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Put the fucking crazies back in assylum.....problem solved.

Or treat them, but either way none of you want to even check!!

 

[CrazedScotsman]

What do you feel should be the proper waiting period to buy a gun.
1- 3 days
2- 5 days
3- 7 days
4- 9 days

Back in the 90's I had a 7 day waiting period until I could get my Stainless Colt .45 1911 with a 6 inch barrel. It's a huge handgun but it's so freaking nice to shoot. It has less kick than the Berretta 9mm I have, but that's because it's so big and heavy.

Now, when I bought my Remminton 870 pump that I started trap shooting with, I went in, dropped $250.00 on the counter and walked out with it. The same goes for my Remmington 1100 competition trap gun.

I suck at trap though, but it's still fun.