What is a "Deathbed Vision"?

☭proletarian☭;2084455 said:
☭proletarian☭;2084308 said:
I can 'see' with my eyes closed. I do so all the time. Usually at night.

Ah yes... the mind's eye. But could you prove that what your mind's eye is seeing is real?

Can you prove that what your eye is seeing is real?

No, you can't.

Oh contrar... yes I can. Hypothetically, if I stood in front of you and showed a baseball bat, and then hit you in the head with it, I would have indeed, proven it is as real as you and I both saw... right before you were knocked out.
 
☭proletarian☭;2084455 said:
Ah yes... the mind's eye. But could you prove that what your mind's eye is seeing is real?

Can you prove that what your eye is seeing is real?

No, you can't.

Oh contrar... yes I can. Hypothetically, if I stood in front of you and showed a baseball bat, and then hit you in the head with it, I would have indeed, proven it is as real as you and I both saw... right before you were knocked out.

Fail.

I could have been hit by a truck while dreaming.

I suggest to go back to school or your local library and ask about positivism. It is impossible to know what is true. One can only know whether a given model or hypothesis 'works' and adequately describes the observable universe as it is experienced. That's why even Atomic Theory is still called a theory.
 
When a family member is close to death or has immediately passed on, other family members may experience dreams or visions where the person close to death "visits" them to reassure them or comfort them. Sometimes, the person near death will report that they have seen relatives who have already passed on or that they see angels. Accounts are that they are there to escort the dying person to "the other side".

The person may make restless and repetitive motions such as pulling at sheets or clothing or calling out repetitively. He or she may groan, scream, or mumble loudly. The person may have visions or call out to people long dead and become increasingly confused about his or her identity and the identity of loved ones.

I don't know about all that but I read something once that when you are dying, you will try to find any source of light available. Even if the room is dark and only a sliver of light under the door, Your eyes will seek it out.

I've heard of spirit guides, family members who have passed, coming to help you cross over but not sure if it is at all true. I do hope it is something more than just this then you're gone.

that's interesting...

My Italian Grandfather was in his 90's when he passed on....and even that was a surprise because he was walking 2 miles a day and not senile in the least, when he had a mild stroke, that lead to some idiot in the rehab center doing something idiotic that lead him to getting pneumonia and passing on from that...long story... :(

I lived about 4 hours away from my parents and grandparents and got a call from my mother that my grandfather had taken a turn for the worse. Matt and I left work, (we worked for the same company) and drove like the dickens straight to the hospital....I prayed the whole way, that I could be there and see him one more time, before he died.

I got my wish.

He lived for several more hours before he took his last deep, yet gasping, breath. It was very much like some of what froggy described.....

WELL, when his vitals took a turn for the worse, yet he was hanging on still and not giving up living, the nurse came in and told us all, to "Tell your grandfather to look for/at the light"..."Gurarde la Luce, Nonno" look at the light, grandpa....

This went on for about an hour, I held his hand the whole time...

then he took a deep breath, he sat up, he opened his eyes...(and the room was dark)and looked upwards, and his eyes got so bright, so so so bright like there really was light shining in to them, he smiled and gasped letting out his last breath, and leaned back down on to the bed.

I swear, with all honesty, my grandfather, saw that light. I saw him, see it. I really did.

Care
 
We're energy, we're not a pile of organized chemicals; the organized chemicals parts of us is incidental to us being energy that is self-aware.

How many times do I have to explain this to you?
 
We're energy, we're not a pile of organized chemicals; the organized chemicals parts of us is incidental to us being energy that is self-aware.

How many times do I have to explain this to you?

Do you ever feel that energy wanting to burst out of your body.
 
When a family member is close to death or has immediately passed on, other family members may experience dreams or visions where the person close to death "visits" them to reassure them or comfort them. Sometimes, the person near death will report that they have seen relatives who have already passed on or that they see angels. Accounts are that they are there to escort the dying person to "the other side".

The person may make restless and repetitive motions such as pulling at sheets or clothing or calling out repetitively. He or she may groan, scream, or mumble loudly. The person may have visions or call out to people long dead and become increasingly confused about his or her identity and the identity of loved ones.

I don't know about all that but I read something once that when you are dying, you will try to find any source of light available. Even if the room is dark and only a sliver of light under the door, Your eyes will seek it out.

I've heard of spirit guides, family members who have passed, coming to help you cross over but not sure if it is at all true. I do hope it is something more than just this then you're gone.

that's interesting...

My Italian Grandfather was in his 90's when he passed on....and even that was a surprise because he was walking 2 miles a day and not senile in the least, when he had a mild stroke, that lead to some idiot in the rehab center doing something idiotic that lead him to getting pneumonia and passing on from that...long story... :(

I lived about 4 hours away from my parents and grandparents and got a call from my mother that my grandfather had taken a turn for the worse. Matt and I left work, (we worked for the same company) and drove like the dickens straight to the hospital....I prayed the whole way, that I could be there and see him one more time, before he died.

I got my wish.

He lived for several more hours before he took his last deep, yet gasping, breath. It was very much like some of what froggy described.....

WELL, when his vitals took a turn for the worse, yet he was hanging on still and not giving up living, the nurse came in and told us all, to "Tell your grandfather to look for/at the light"..."Gurarde la Luce, Nonno" look at the light, grandpa....

This went on for about an hour, I held his hand the whole time...

then he took a deep breath, he sat up, he opened his eyes...(and the room was dark)and looked upwards, and his eyes got so bright, so so so bright like there really was light shining in to them, he smiled and gasped letting out his last breath, and leaned back down on to the bed.

I swear, with all honesty, my grandfather, saw that light. I saw him, see it. I really did.

Care

That must have made you feel so peaceful knowing he is just passing on and not going away. :)
 
I don't know about all that but I read something once that when you are dying, you will try to find any source of light available. Even if the room is dark and only a sliver of light under the door, Your eyes will seek it out.

I've heard of spirit guides, family members who have passed, coming to help you cross over but not sure if it is at all true. I do hope it is something more than just this then you're gone.

that's interesting...

My Italian Grandfather was in his 90's when he passed on....and even that was a surprise because he was walking 2 miles a day and not senile in the least, when he had a mild stroke, that lead to some idiot in the rehab center doing something idiotic that lead him to getting pneumonia and passing on from that...long story... :(

I lived about 4 hours away from my parents and grandparents and got a call from my mother that my grandfather had taken a turn for the worse. Matt and I left work, (we worked for the same company) and drove like the dickens straight to the hospital....I prayed the whole way, that I could be there and see him one more time, before he died.

I got my wish.

He lived for several more hours before he took his last deep, yet gasping, breath. It was very much like some of what froggy described.....

WELL, when his vitals took a turn for the worse, yet he was hanging on still and not giving up living, the nurse came in and told us all, to "Tell your grandfather to look for/at the light"..."Gurarde la Luce, Nonno" look at the light, grandpa....

This went on for about an hour, I held his hand the whole time...

then he took a deep breath, he sat up, he opened his eyes...(and the room was dark)and looked upwards, and his eyes got so bright, so so so bright like there really was light shining in to them, he smiled and gasped letting out his last breath, and leaned back down on to the bed.

I swear, with all honesty, my grandfather, saw that light. I saw him, see it. I really did.

Care

That must have made you feel so peaceful knowing he is just passing on and not going away. :)

the nurse had experience with death...it was her that told us to tell him to look for the light...she said it would help him, let go....from experience, she said such.... she was right, in my grandfather's case....I should have asked her WHY, but at the time, i was preoccupied and it just seemed like she knew what she was talking about, and the right thing to do....

i don't know if that made me feel peaceful or not....i was still crying my eyes out...thru the next week....every time i looked up at grandmom, i cried......they were married over 70 years before he passed on.... she really missed him....i felt her sorrow.... :(
 
my grandmother on her death bed was actually talking to her kids that have passed on before her.

I myself had a dream my grandmother was dying before her or anyone else found out. Three days after my dream, grandmother went to the doctor and she had only weeks to live.

A year after my father died, I came home from school, wide awake but depressed and missing my father. I started to cry, my bedroom door was only open less then an inch. I cried out "Dad where are you, I need you" at that moment the door opened and my dad walked towards me, held reached out his hand to me and said; "I'm here what do you need" I then said "But you are dead" he vanished. When I saw him he was as solid as can be.

Have never seen him again. I know the mind can play tricks on you, but unless it happens to you, you'll never understand. It was Real.
 
my grandmother on her death bed was actually talking to her kids that have passed on before her.

I myself had a dream my grandmother was dying before her or anyone else found out. Three days after my dream, grandmother went to the doctor and she had only weeks to live.

A year after my father died, I came home from school, wide awake but depressed and missing my father. I started to cry, my bedroom door was only open less then an inch. I cried out "Dad where are you, I need you" at that moment the door opened and my dad walked towards me, held reached out his hand to me and said; "I'm here what do you need" I then said "But you are dead" he vanished. When I saw him he was as solid as can be.

Have never seen him again. I know the mind can play tricks on you, but unless it happens to you, you'll never understand. It was Real.

it happened to me! with a young man that worked with me's mother.... I befriended her...he was about 10 years younger than me, so i would guess that his mom was 10 years older....she was an alcoholic, drank a 6 pak every night....i felt sorry for her so i used to go visit her while eric was running around with his girlfriend, and just used to sit and talk with her....

she came down with sclerosis of the liver, and died 6 months after the diagnosis....i spent a lot of time with her those 6 months.... eric continued to go out and have fun....he was angry with her inside.....long story....

anyway, i was at their house with 2 other girlfriends/coworkers giving a good cleaning to the very neglected house, so eric could get it up for sale....

we all spent the night at eric's/his mom's house spread on the living room floor/couches/ except eric slept in his mom's room.... in the middle of the night, i woke up and there was eric's mom...talking to me as plain as day....she said, ''Tell Eric, not to worry, I am okay'' , I said back to her, ''YOU really need to tell him that!'' she said, ''he's not ready to hear it from me, take care of him, please.'' then she left....the 2 other friends awoke and asked who i was talking to!

I told eric the next morning what she told me.... he said back, WHY would she not come to me to tell me such, to relieve my pain? I told him, I didn't know.... i think it made him feel worse....he loved her so much, but he hated her for being a drunk and leaving him, by dying.... he ignored her last months on earth....he was tormented by his own behavior, once she was gone i presumed....

anyway, you don't need to tell me! i HAVE been there myself!
 
my grandmother on her death bed was actually talking to her kids that have passed on before her.

I myself had a dream my grandmother was dying before her or anyone else found out. Three days after my dream, grandmother went to the doctor and she had only weeks to live.

A year after my father died, I came home from school, wide awake but depressed and missing my father. I started to cry, my bedroom door was only open less then an inch. I cried out "Dad where are you, I need you" at that moment the door opened and my dad walked towards me, held reached out his hand to me and said; "I'm here what do you need" I then said "But you are dead" he vanished. When I saw him he was as solid as can be.

Have never seen him again. I know the mind can play tricks on you, but unless it happens to you, you'll never understand. It was Real.

Its like you said Terry, unless you experience something yourself you don't realize whats in the afterlife.
 
my grandmother on her death bed was actually talking to her kids that have passed on before her.

I myself had a dream my grandmother was dying before her or anyone else found out. Three days after my dream, grandmother went to the doctor and she had only weeks to live.

A year after my father died, I came home from school, wide awake but depressed and missing my father. I started to cry, my bedroom door was only open less then an inch. I cried out "Dad where are you, I need you" at that moment the door opened and my dad walked towards me, held reached out his hand to me and said; "I'm here what do you need" I then said "But you are dead" he vanished. When I saw him he was as solid as can be.

Have never seen him again. I know the mind can play tricks on you, but unless it happens to you, you'll never understand. It was Real.

it happened to me! with a young man that worked with me's mother.... I befriended her...he was about 10 years younger than me, so i would guess that his mom was 10 years older....she was an alcoholic, drank a 6 pak every night....i felt sorry for her so i used to go visit her while eric was running around with his girlfriend, and just used to sit and talk with her....

she came down with sclerosis of the liver, and died 6 months after the diagnosis....i spent a lot of time with her those 6 months.... eric continued to go out and have fun....he was angry with her inside.....long story....

anyway, i was at their house with 2 other girlfriends/coworkers giving a good cleaning to the very neglected house, so eric could get it up for sale....

we all spent the night at eric's/his mom's house spread on the living room floor/couches/ except eric slept in his mom's room.... in the middle of the night, i woke up and there was eric's mom...talking to me as plain as day....she said, ''Tell Eric, not to worry, I am okay'' , I said back to her, ''YOU really need to tell him that!'' she said, ''he's not ready to hear it from me, take care of him, please.'' then she left....the 2 other friends awoke and asked who i was talking to!

I told eric the next morning what she told me.... he said back, WHY would she not come to me to tell me such, to relieve my pain? I told him, I didn't know.... i think it made him feel worse....he loved her so much, but he hated her for being a drunk and leaving him, by dying.... he ignored her last months on earth....he was tormented by his own behavior, once she was gone i presumed....

anyway, you don't need to tell me! i HAVE been there myself!
That is so sad but it was real wasn't it. No way your mind made it up! I know, been there.
 
We're energy, we're not a pile of organized chemicals; the organized chemicals parts of us is incidental to us being energy that is self-aware.

How many times do I have to explain this to you?
:eusa_eh:
 
My grandmother was from Bern Switzerland and she had a newspaper clipping back in the 1800s of a woman's baby had died, the night it was buried she dreamed it was still alive. The next day she wouldn't stop till they dug it up, and when they opened the box it was lying on it side.
 

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