What is A conservative?

[Old Bowler]

on Sunday October 24, 2004 i was In a discussion In the adult class In our Local Unitarian/Universalist Church on bell Avenue. Someone was complaining about how the Church was Run.

"we Need a Book store To make Money and give People the Opportunity To learn More about what we believe; we Used to Have one Run by a Couple for Dozens of Years until they both Died. then Someone else Wanted to continue the Store, but First they Had to Get the Approval of 6 Different Committees. Somebody is the Aesthetics Committee said the Store should be delayed until we Build a new Wing that provides the Proper environment for Learning. For the Last 20 years we've Had no book Store. i Hate church Politics!"

"That", i Said, "is A good example of What conservatives
Do!"

Several People were Very irate. our Unitarian church Prides iteself on Being Liberal. They were Obviously offended that I would Say that Even One of our Members Is conservative.

Is obstructionist Politics conservative?

 

[dilloduck]

on Sunday October 24, 2004 i was In a discussion In the adult class In our Local Unitarian/Universalist Church on bell Avenue. Someone was complaining about how the Church was Run.

"we Need a Book store To make Money and give People the Opportunity To learn More about what we believe; we Used to Have one Run by a Couple for Dozens of Years until they both Died. then Someone else Wanted to continue the Store, but First they Had to Get the Approval of 6 Different Committees. Somebody is the Aesthetics Committee said the Store should be delayed until we Build a new Wing that provides the Proper environment for Learning. For the Last 20 years we've Had no book Store. i Hate church Politics!"

"That", i Said, "is A good example of What conservatives
Do!"

Several People were Very irate. our Unitarian church Prides iteself on Being Liberal. They were Obviously offended that I would Say that Even One of our Members Is conservative.

Is obstructionist Politics conservative?

No---as evidenced by the Democrats for the last 4 years

 

[Old Bowler]

apparently most People define conservative or liberal on a 99% emotional Basis.

Read the Book on Liberalism by Former President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

a Status Quo conservative Is in Favor of Going Slow;
obstructionist Politics is Sometimes Good and Sometimes Bad.

Liberals favor free Markets, Freedom of Speech, and Limited Government. Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal.

the Modern misunderstandings of conservative and Liberal
are Part of the Reason we have So much bad Government.

 

[theim]

If Thomas Jefferson were around today he would be labled a jackbooted Nazi.

 

[TylerDurden]

Liberals favor free Markets, Freedom of Speech, and Limited Government. Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal.

This is completely bassackwards. These are the things that conservative belive in. Where did you go to school, Russia?

 

[theim]

Liberals favor protectionist, state-run markets
Liberals favor Freedom of Speach unless it offends someone (besides Whites, Christians, Men, or Heterosexuals of course
Liberals favor big welfare-state governments to take care of people and prevent them from having to make difficult decisions.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

What is a conservative?

A conservative is one who is going to hold his nose a bit when he votes for Bush on Tuesday because Bush is quite "moderate" in many ways, yet he would never even THINK of voting for Kerry who already has one foot into communism, the very antithesis of conservatism and American values.

 

[Mr. P]

Is obstructionist Politics conservative?

Are you really a MORON!! or are you just pretending?

 

[phadras]

apparently most People define conservative or liberal on a 99% emotional Basis.

Read the Book on Liberalism by Former President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

a Status Quo conservative Is in Favor of Going Slow;
obstructionist Politics is Sometimes Good and Sometimes Bad.

Liberals favor free Markets, Freedom of Speech, and Limited Government. Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal.

the Modern misunderstandings of conservative and Liberal
are Part of the Reason we have So much bad Government.

Libs favor limited government...Bwahahahahah What have you been smokin'?

Conservatism favors rolling back big government...lesser taxation.. and limited government... Better get your facts straight... Ike's idea of liberalism is EXACTLY opposite of the current understanding of liberal...i.e. A liberal is a Communist with a "go slow approach"... Thank you for allowing me to enlighten you... And no fee for the primer...

 

[Palestinian Jew]

Is everybody aware that communism is a form of government in which all money and property is distributed equally and controlled 100% by the government?

 

[Said1]

This is completely bassackwards. These are the things that conservative belive in. Where did you go to school, Russia?

I think he is refering to the liberalism of 100 years ago, not what it has become today.

 

[Avatar4321]

Is everybody aware that communism is a form of government in which all money and property is distributed equally and controlled 100% by the government?

Yeah. Exactly why we dislike when libs increase tax and spend programs. what do you think that does?

 

[Merlin1047]

on Sunday October 24, 2004 i was In a discussion In the adult class In our Local Unitarian/Universalist Church on bell Avenue. Someone was complaining about how the Church was Run.

"we Need a Book store To make Money and give People the Opportunity To learn More about what we believe; we Used to Have one Run by a Couple for Dozens of Years until they both Died. then Someone else Wanted to continue the Store, but First they Had to Get the Approval of 6 Different Committees. Somebody is the Aesthetics Committee said the Store should be delayed until we Build a new Wing that provides the Proper environment for Learning. For the Last 20 years we've Had no book Store. i Hate church Politics!"

"That", i Said, "is A good example of What conservatives
Do!"

Several People were Very irate. our Unitarian church Prides iteself on Being Liberal. They were Obviously offended that I would Say that Even One of our Members Is conservative.

Is obstructionist Politics conservative?

Two questions.

1. What the hell are you talking about? That has to be the most inane post and moronic conclusions I have ever read on this board.

2. Do You use CapiTaliZation Rules from Some Dead languaGe? Or Perhaps you Have a Twitch in Your ShifT kEy Finger? MAybe a sHort in your Keyboard? Or have you Been Drinking?



:gross2:

 

[insein]

This is completely bassackwards. These are the things that conservative belive in. Where did you go to school, Russia?

Welcome to boards tyler. You'd do well not insult others and focus on the facts.

It is true in the past liberals were what we would consider modern day conservatives. Willing to fight and day for the freedoms they believe in. Seeking a limited government. Belief in the constitution.

The labels often confuse people into thinking things they dont mean too. Modern day liberals only share a judgement based completely on emotion with the liberals of the past. However, the modern liberals are driven by the emotion of anger and hatred. This is more akin to the socialist and communists parties of Russia over the last century. they believe in Complete government control and Freedom of THEIR Speech. All opposing views are to be destroyed for the good of the state.

Modern Liberals masquerade as such. They have closer ties to Stalin than Jefferson.

 

[Merlin1047]

Liberals favor free Markets, Freedom of Speech, and Limited Government. Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal.

You have GOT to be kidding.

Liberals favor free markets? Is that why that liberal whiner kerry has made "outsourcing" an issue in his campaign?

Freedom of speech? Right - so long as you agree with leftitsts, otherwise you're in trouble. Ask any conservative speaker who has attempted to present his views on a liberal campus.

Thomas Jefferson was a liberal BY THE STANDARD OF HIS DAY. Today Thomas Jefferson would put a musket ball right between the eyes of the nearest liberal because Jefferson would recognize liberals as the enemies of freedom and the enemies of this country that they truly are.

 

[insein]

You have GOT to be kidding.

Liberals favor free markets? Is that why that liberal whiner kerry has made "outsourcing" an issue in his campaign?

Freedom of speech? Right - so long as you agree with leftitsts, otherwise you're in trouble. Ask any conservative speaker who has attempted to present his views on a liberal campus.

Thomas Jefferson was a liberal BY THE STANDARD OF HIS DAY. Today Thomas Jefferson would put a musket ball right between the eyes of the nearest liberal because Jefferson would recognize liberals as the enemies of freedom and the enemies of this country that they truly are.

Either im reading him wrong or you guys are completely misunderstanding him. I believe he is trying to say that liberals of the past used to think this way. that maybe our label of liberal to the modern liberal party is innaccurate. Liberals from the colonial era are more like modern day conservatives. Liberals of today are more akin with Communists of the 20th century.

 

[White knight]

No---as evidenced by the Democrats for the last 4 years

What a Difference Three Years Makes
It's still the economy, stupid! Don't the Bushes ever learn? Bush inherited record surpluses, a balanced budget and steady job growth -- and he's blown it. The budget deficit is ballooning, job growth is non-existent and the stock market is faltering. Even Republicans are disgusted with Bush's handling of the economy. It's time to ask yourself the classic question: Are you better off now than you were four years

I would like to explore the conservative opinion on this.
I realize you have to spend money to make money, but has all that money gone it the pockets of Bush's rich backers?
When will the public see a return?
Bush's father did the same thing; he ran the economy in the ground and led us into war, his buddies made money from the war.
I know these actions are necessary for financing and setting up the scene for work to advance the globalization agenda, and purging the weak liberals.
But still when will all this pay off for the good of man and how?

 

[Merlin1047]

Either im reading him wrong or you guys are completely misunderstanding him. I believe he is trying to say that liberals of the past used to think this way. that maybe our label of liberal to the modern liberal party is innaccurate. Liberals from the colonial era are more like modern day conservatives. Liberals of today are more akin with Communists of the 20th century.

Gee, I thought that's what I said.

 

[insein]

Gee, I thought that's what I said.

yes you did. But you started out against oldbowler. I still cant get a beed on him.