What If We Don't "Win?"

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    a good question, given the efforts of traitors like howard dean and cindy sheehan to misinform the public, far too much of the media's continued opposition to progress in Iraq and the political opposition in congress undermining the war effort from a legislative perspective.

    as well as the many failures (past and ongoing) of far too many in this administration.

     
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    One side of the political spectrum has pined its future on a failure in Iraq.

    As the possibility of that failure becomes more and more remote the emphasis has shifted to changing the definition of things like 'victory' and 'failure' so that when victory comes the left can continue to cover it's eyes and pretend it is not there. Can we, the left, twist the meaning of 'victory' so that when actual victory is achieved we can convincingly deny it? This article is an example of the begining of that.

    Her comparison to Korea is inane. All Korea did was maintain the status quo? No. The Korean war restored the status quo as it was before the North Koreans invaded, from the low point where the communists controlled the vast majority of the peninsula. In the sense of freeing all of Korea the war was only half successfull, but in the sense of liberating the South Koreans it was most certainly a victory. But by saying 'maintained' the status quo she implies we started the war with the intent to liberate the whole peninsula. That was not the case. We went to defend the South Koreans, which we did. MacArthur wasn't even supposed to move as far North as he did.

    How does that compare to Iraq? Restoring the status quo in Iraq as it was before the war would be Saddam Hussein, or someone like him, in power in Baghdad would it not? Does anyone realistically believe that will happen?

    But then we get to the rub:

    So long as one troop remains in the region (as undoubtedly many will for some time), the left will continue to say, 'We've achieved nothing! Our troops are still there! How can you call that a victory?'
     
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    We still have troops in Europe. Guess that whole WWII thing was a big quarmire.
     
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    Applebaum did not dwell on how the Iraqis themselves could influence whether the Iraq war is a "win" or a "lose". The Iraqis are doing everything they can to let the world know that they want to "win" and live in a democracy. Applebaum should ask the North Koreans if they think the Korean War just maintained the "status quo".
     
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    Oh, no matter what, they will criticize. When we have victory, they will simply say things like "if we would have gotten an international coalition, we wouldnt have lost so many soldiers and we could have gotten the job done faster".

    They truly know no shame.
     
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    Applebaum certainly intimates her desire for an ongoing war. She further calls into question rather abstract, obscure and not as yet seen attitudes and circumstanses. Her article is pretty much for entertainment and a sense of perceived profit, don't you agree?

    Psychoblues
     
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    Did you say something?

     
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    Sorry, you must have missed it. Please reread the post and responses and wipe from front to back. It will help you prevent further infection.

    Psychoblues
     
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    No
     
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    OK. No what?
     

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