What idiot thinks the answer is to roundup the 20 million illegals and deport them all?

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What idiot thinks the answer is to roundup the 20 million illegals and deport them all?

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The trumpers, the KKK, the neonazis, the skinheads, the ethnic cleansers, the fucktards..........

 

[PaintMyHouse]

 

[rhodescholar]

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

I don't want 15 million more americans, the country is overcrowded already. The 30 million illegals should be mass deported/forced out with unbearable conditions, such as a total termination of any benefits for them or their children/families, i.e, no public school, hospital visits, etc.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

So what? Less americans is better. Let's means-test medicare and SS, which will remove many of those collecting.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Such as? And what about the tax breaks offered by democrats? What about the public employee unions - can we get rid of them as well?

 

[sealybobo]

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

I don't want 15 million more americans, the country is overcrowded already. The 30 million illegals should be mass deported/forced out with unbearable conditions, such as a total termination of any benefits for them or their children/families, i.e, no public school, hospital visits, etc.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

So what? Less americans is better. Let's means-test medicare and SS, which will remove many of those collecting.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Such as? And what about the tax breaks offered by democrats? What about the public employee unions - can we get rid of them as well?

I'm for any idea that helps the middle class.

Hurting unions doesn't help.

 

[bripat9643]

You mean "speaking the truth," don't you?

Nope. Shit hitting the fan can kill the fan.

The "fan" is all the lies Democrats have been telling for 20 years.

What lies are those? Gays are equal? The climate is changing? The rich are getting richer, and the poor poorer?

NO one ever claimed gays weren't equal, the climate has always changed, and open-borders assholes like you are the reason middle class wages are stagnating.

Capitalism baby, love it or leave it.

What does capitalism have to do with sealing the border?

 

[bripat9643]

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

I don't want 15 million more americans, the country is overcrowded already. The 30 million illegals should be mass deported/forced out with unbearable conditions, such as a total termination of any benefits for them or their children/families, i.e, no public school, hospital visits, etc.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

So what? Less americans is better. Let's means-test medicare and SS, which will remove many of those collecting.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Such as? And what about the tax breaks offered by democrats? What about the public employee unions - can we get rid of them as well?

I'm for any idea that helps the middle class.

Hurting unions doesn't help.

Then you should support deporting illegal aliens and sealing the border.

 

[bripat9643]

NOT one rational logical person has ever suggested that storm troopers knock down doors of suspected "illegals" hauling them off to concentration camps and then dumping them on buses back to South America?
I've looked at that prospect and YES it is a totally stupid ignorant scenario.

BUT what SHOULD happen is that every time an illegal is stopped for driving, or breaking some law...
DO AS MEXICO does DEPORT THEM! Don't put them into "sanctuary cities"!
What SHOULD happen is all the current laws must be enforced rigorously!
Don't stop states like Arizona with frivolous Federal government lawsuits! "illegals" by definition have NO
legal rights! They by definition are law breakers therefore deport them!

So not ONE conservative that thinks this through would ever suggest storm trooper roundups!
THIS IS THE LIBERALS solution! They think in terms of racists/socialist solutions...i.e. storm troopers!

Simply enforce and NOT prevent states from enforcing their state laws regarding "illegals"!
Stop giving them sanctuary!

Simply enforce the employer hiring laws for those companies hiring illegals.
Stop giving illegals food stamps. Stop giving them shelter.

THESE "Illegal" Immigrants will not survive or will go back to where they came from!
Obviously not ALL 20 million will pack up and go!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped for criminal behavior and deported!
Obviously not all 20 million will be stopped at the employers and deported!

But at least some, maybe MANY will be deported, may pack up and go home! Definitely at least SOME
will NO longer be protected by "sanctuary cities," by food stamps, etc.!

Just deport them? That won't stop people from doing it.

The job opportunities have to dry up. Who's hiring them? Go after them and Mexicans will go home.

I heard during the Clinton years a Tyson chicken plant was raided and the next day the white unemployed Americans who live in that town went and applied for those jobs. The line was around the block.

It's not rocket science but the truth is Republicans like cheap labor. Ten million? And you just want to catch em one at a time and slap them on the wrist?

Republicans can't seem to get themselves to go after employers even if they're illegal employers. It's because they worship the rich and corporations and their brainwashed. Let's put it in another perspective let's say Canadian companies would pay you five hundred thousand dollars a year to pack chickens. What should the Canadian government do? Build a wall or figure out which companies are breaking the law and go after them. But these companies donate to our politicians and Republican voters can't seem to get who the real criminals are. Their beloved corporations.

The wall is what will stop people from doing it, numskull. No one said "just deport them."

The wall is expensive and unnecessary.

It's cheap compared to the cost if illegal aliens, and it's obviously necessary. The more open-borders assholes like you wail against it, the more obvious it becomes that the wall is necessary.

 

[bripat9643]

...The border can be secured, and a very high price to society, the economy, and property rights, but for 60 years it hasn't been. Now, why is that, there must be a reason? Hmmm....

Until recently, there have been enough jobs and resources to cover the Illegals as well as ourselves, and, for most of that 60 years, there were far, far fewer of them, rather than the plague of 12,000,000+ invaders now present upon US soil. It would seem that we have reached a tipping point where the old formulae no longer work or are no longer dominant.

And, of course, we, as a nation, have come to the realization that we have become addicted to cheap Illegal Alien labor, and that this is not healthy for the Nation.

As is the case in breaking the strangle-hold of any dependency or addiction - withdrawal will not be a pretty sight.

But, undertaking a withdrawal (a cure) is necessary, to the long-term interests of the Nation and its People.

The longer we wait, the worse the withdrawal is going to get, so...

We might as well get cracking now... sooner, rather than later... and take the hit... which will hurt less now, than 10 or 20 years from now.

Ready... set... go.

What was happening was that the middle class was burdened with increased taxation (not just income tax, but fees/charges on cell and telephone bills, car registrations, real estate, etc.,) while the wealthy and corporations enjoyed a reduced tax burden since the mid-1960s. But with the middle class suffering from reduced purchasing power/reduced wages paid to the middle class over the past 40 years, this system can no longer be sustained as the middle class can no longer sustain an increasing tax burden.

This means that all of the welfare subsidies going to walmart workers, illegal aliens, public union employees, etc., can no longer be supported without raising taxes to unsustainable levels. With increasing amounts of illegals flowing into the country - my guess would be about 35 million or more - the country has reached the breaking point, which will lead to mass riots in the next few years.

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Granting amnesty to illegal aliens is the last thing we should do. How do we gain from that? They already pay taxes, but that doesn't cover all the welfare benefits they receive..

 

[sealybobo]

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

I don't want 15 million more americans, the country is overcrowded already. The 30 million illegals should be mass deported/forced out with unbearable conditions, such as a total termination of any benefits for them or their children/families, i.e, no public school, hospital visits, etc.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

So what? Less americans is better. Let's means-test medicare and SS, which will remove many of those collecting.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Such as? And what about the tax breaks offered by democrats? What about the public employee unions - can we get rid of them as well?

I'm for any idea that helps the middle class.

Hurting unions doesn't help.

Then you should support deporting illegal aliens and sealing the border.

There's a better easier way, I've said it several times but clearly talking about illegal employers makes you uncomfortable.

 

[sealybobo]

...The border can be secured, and a very high price to society, the economy, and property rights, but for 60 years it hasn't been. Now, why is that, there must be a reason? Hmmm....

Until recently, there have been enough jobs and resources to cover the Illegals as well as ourselves, and, for most of that 60 years, there were far, far fewer of them, rather than the plague of 12,000,000+ invaders now present upon US soil. It would seem that we have reached a tipping point where the old formulae no longer work or are no longer dominant.

And, of course, we, as a nation, have come to the realization that we have become addicted to cheap Illegal Alien labor, and that this is not healthy for the Nation.

As is the case in breaking the strangle-hold of any dependency or addiction - withdrawal will not be a pretty sight.

But, undertaking a withdrawal (a cure) is necessary, to the long-term interests of the Nation and its People.

The longer we wait, the worse the withdrawal is going to get, so...

We might as well get cracking now... sooner, rather than later... and take the hit... which will hurt less now, than 10 or 20 years from now.

Ready... set... go.

What was happening was that the middle class was burdened with increased taxation (not just income tax, but fees/charges on cell and telephone bills, car registrations, real estate, etc.,) while the wealthy and corporations enjoyed a reduced tax burden since the mid-1960s. But with the middle class suffering from reduced purchasing power/reduced wages paid to the middle class over the past 40 years, this system can no longer be sustained as the middle class can no longer sustain an increasing tax burden.

This means that all of the welfare subsidies going to walmart workers, illegal aliens, public union employees, etc., can no longer be supported without raising taxes to unsustainable levels. With increasing amounts of illegals flowing into the country - my guess would be about 35 million or more - the country has reached the breaking point, which will lead to mass riots in the next few years.

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Granting amnesty to illegal aliens is the last thing we should do. How do we gain from that? They already pay taxes, but that doesn't cover all the welfare benefits they receive..

I won't debate stupid.

 

[rhodescholar]

Hurting unions doesn't help.

Public employee unions are not private sector unions, they are a cancerous leech parasite albatross around the necks of government and taxpayers.

 

[bripat9643]

...The border can be secured, and a very high price to society, the economy, and property rights, but for 60 years it hasn't been. Now, why is that, there must be a reason? Hmmm....

Until recently, there have been enough jobs and resources to cover the Illegals as well as ourselves, and, for most of that 60 years, there were far, far fewer of them, rather than the plague of 12,000,000+ invaders now present upon US soil. It would seem that we have reached a tipping point where the old formulae no longer work or are no longer dominant.

And, of course, we, as a nation, have come to the realization that we have become addicted to cheap Illegal Alien labor, and that this is not healthy for the Nation.

As is the case in breaking the strangle-hold of any dependency or addiction - withdrawal will not be a pretty sight.

But, undertaking a withdrawal (a cure) is necessary, to the long-term interests of the Nation and its People.

The longer we wait, the worse the withdrawal is going to get, so...

We might as well get cracking now... sooner, rather than later... and take the hit... which will hurt less now, than 10 or 20 years from now.

Ready... set... go.

What was happening was that the middle class was burdened with increased taxation (not just income tax, but fees/charges on cell and telephone bills, car registrations, real estate, etc.,) while the wealthy and corporations enjoyed a reduced tax burden since the mid-1960s. But with the middle class suffering from reduced purchasing power/reduced wages paid to the middle class over the past 40 years, this system can no longer be sustained as the middle class can no longer sustain an increasing tax burden.

This means that all of the welfare subsidies going to walmart workers, illegal aliens, public union employees, etc., can no longer be supported without raising taxes to unsustainable levels. With increasing amounts of illegals flowing into the country - my guess would be about 35 million or more - the country has reached the breaking point, which will lead to mass riots in the next few years.

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Granting amnesty to illegal aliens is the last thing we should do. How do we gain from that? They already pay taxes, but that doesn't cover all the welfare benefits they receive..

I won't debate stupid.

You can't help it because you are stupid.

 

[sealybobo]

Until recently, there have been enough jobs and resources to cover the Illegals as well as ourselves, and, for most of that 60 years, there were far, far fewer of them, rather than the plague of 12,000,000+ invaders now present upon US soil. It would seem that we have reached a tipping point where the old formulae no longer work or are no longer dominant.

And, of course, we, as a nation, have come to the realization that we have become addicted to cheap Illegal Alien labor, and that this is not healthy for the Nation.

As is the case in breaking the strangle-hold of any dependency or addiction - withdrawal will not be a pretty sight.

But, undertaking a withdrawal (a cure) is necessary, to the long-term interests of the Nation and its People.

The longer we wait, the worse the withdrawal is going to get, so...

We might as well get cracking now... sooner, rather than later... and take the hit... which will hurt less now, than 10 or 20 years from now.

Ready... set... go.

What was happening was that the middle class was burdened with increased taxation (not just income tax, but fees/charges on cell and telephone bills, car registrations, real estate, etc.,) while the wealthy and corporations enjoyed a reduced tax burden since the mid-1960s. But with the middle class suffering from reduced purchasing power/reduced wages paid to the middle class over the past 40 years, this system can no longer be sustained as the middle class can no longer sustain an increasing tax burden.

This means that all of the welfare subsidies going to walmart workers, illegal aliens, public union employees, etc., can no longer be supported without raising taxes to unsustainable levels. With increasing amounts of illegals flowing into the country - my guess would be about 35 million or more - the country has reached the breaking point, which will lead to mass riots in the next few years.

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Granting amnesty to illegal aliens is the last thing we should do. How do we gain from that? They already pay taxes, but that doesn't cover all the welfare benefits they receive..

I won't debate stupid.

You can't help it because you are stupid.

I can't believe how much Republicans can't see or admit or realize that we don't have an illegal immigrant problem we have an illegal employer problem and conservatives can't get themselves to fault corporations for anything. That's brainwashed.

You'll spend billions on a wall and busing illegals home then bury your head in the sand when you find out corporations are the source of the problem. They'll keep coming if companies keep paying.

And we could solve this problem easy by going after illegal employers but you won't go after corporations even illegal ones.

 

[rhodescholar]

I can't believe how much Republicans can't see or admit or realize that we don't have an illegal immigrant problem we have an illegal employer problem and conservatives can't get themselves to fault corporations for anything. That's brainwashed. You'll spend billions on a wall and busing illegals home then bury your head in the sand when you find out corporations are the source of the problem. They'll keep coming if companies keep paying. And we could solve this problem easy by going after illegal employers but you won't go after corporations even illegal ones.

It would be nice if you actually read my posts, instead of speculating with nonsensical bullshit. By the way, I am not republican.

Why is it liberals are incapable of carrying two distinct but related thoughts in their tiny pea brains; this issue can be attacked simultaneously from both sides: build a wall, aggressive deportations/expulsions, AND massive fines/jail time for anyone hiring illegals.

As a True Conservative, I am an implacable enemy of large corporations, and am not beholden to the business community in any way, it is merely a means to a better end. That said, I have no ceiling for the level of punishment for those who do not use basic tools such as E-verify when hiring their staff/consultants.

There is no reason not to attack this issue from both sides, which would effectively drain the swamp to so speak in a matter of 2-3 years.

And every fucking one of those children who crossed the border last year unaccompanied would be outright deported, and their parents with them.

 

[paulitician]

I watched Trumps speech on MSNBC last night.
It was interesting on how they had pop up facts on truth or false when he made his statements. Most of what he said was truth.
One example was - true that his baseball cap was made in the USA.
Other media was saying it was made in China.

I'm just waiting for a MSM Outlet to round up some women to say he said some 'mean' things to them. You know those old tired hatchet-jobs are coming. Communist/Progressive Outlets like CNN and NBC can't wait to round em up and parade em on air 24/7. My guess is, they'll wait till we get close to Election Day to spring it. The man's speaking truth, and that's very dangerous. He's now a target.

They've already tried that with Ivana Trump. She threw it back in their faces.

Yeah she did. But the usual suspects in the MSM will continue digging. Communist/Progressive outlets like CNN and NBC are digging 24/7. They'll likely find a few to say he was a 'big ole meany' to em. The set-ups are coming. You can bet on that. But Trump's pretty tough. I think he can handle it.

 

[LilOlLady]

I say take care of our own first. We have jobless Americans with homeless kids in impoverished area and no one seem to care about them. 10 million homeless and jobless Americans. 2.5 million homeless kids. We cannot give shelter to every poor kid from every impoverished country. Mexico is more the capable of taking care of it's own but is it corrupt government that we should be attacking and changing instead of Iraq because is more of a threat to american lives. Mexicans have killed more Americans than terrorist.

 

[Oldglory1]

What was happening was that the middle class was burdened with increased taxation (not just income tax, but fees/charges on cell and telephone bills, car registrations, real estate, etc.,) while the wealthy and corporations enjoyed a reduced tax burden since the mid-1960s. But with the middle class suffering from reduced purchasing power/reduced wages paid to the middle class over the past 40 years, this system can no longer be sustained as the middle class can no longer sustain an increasing tax burden.

This means that all of the welfare subsidies going to walmart workers, illegal aliens, public union employees, etc., can no longer be supported without raising taxes to unsustainable levels. With increasing amounts of illegals flowing into the country - my guess would be about 35 million or more - the country has reached the breaking point, which will lead to mass riots in the next few years.

Or we make the 15 million illegals legal citizens so we have 15 million more people who pay taxes and have to buy obamacare.

Americans aren't having 2.5 kids anymore. We have to pay the baby boomers ss and Medicare.

We need to undo not only the bush but the Reagan tax breaks too.

Granting amnesty to illegal aliens is the last thing we should do. How do we gain from that? They already pay taxes, but that doesn't cover all the welfare benefits they receive..

I won't debate stupid.

You can't help it because you are stupid.

I can't believe how much Republicans can't see or admit or realize that we don't have an illegal immigrant problem we have an illegal employer problem and conservatives can't get themselves to fault corporations for anything. That's brainwashed.

You'll spend billions on a wall and busing illegals home then bury your head in the sand when you find out corporations are the source of the problem. They'll keep coming if companies keep paying.

And we could solve this problem easy by going after illegal employers but you won't go after corporations even illegal ones.

No, what we have are greedy employers "and" their accomplices (illegal aliens). They aren't the innocents in this either. They are both equally guilty. No one drags them over the border to work here and they know right from wrong. I don't know of a single conservative that doesn't want e-verify to stop these employers either. It is you that Is brainwashed not to know that. Jobs aren't the only thing that bring illegals here either. Benefits and birthright citizenship do also. We need to end "all" of the incentives for them to come here. The wall will not only deter illegal aliens but criminals and terrorists also. They aren't looking for jobs. The Border Patrol would be able to do their jobs more effectively also.