what has obama done that makes him a better POTUS than bush?

[HUGGY]

CNN was the one claiming the Oil Clean-up was a dog & pony show

It is rediculous to call the demonstration of gulf clean up to be a dog and pony show.

The clean unis were probably suggested to make the workers look better for the cameras and to make them feel more presentable to them when in the presence of TPOTUS. So what?

Obviously there is an on-going clean up and the workers and thier uniforms get trashed. To make it seem like the clean up is staged is just hack ignorance.

Jeff Sessions had better call for another investigation!!!!!

Your whole premise is a total lie. CNN & Anderson Cooper are Obama supporters. They are not ignorant hacks against Obama. You are the HACK asshole!!!

And what group do you think I represent in my hack assholiness?

 

[RadiomanATL]

DADT. He assertively campaigned for repealing it, but has not been as active in pursing that repeal as he had led me to believe. I feel like a violated sheep on this.

DADT doesn't apply to barnyard animals. So you're still screwed.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Let's take a gander at the Obama scorecard 16 months in:
1. 2 terrorist attacks on American soil
2. Gulf oil spill
3. Mortgage meltdown
4. 40+ million unemployed
5. Dollar at it's weakest ever
6. Nucular Iran (coming soon to a theater near you)
7. Nucular N. Korea
8. Bailouts for his cronies at AIG, GM & Wall Street
9. Snubs Israeli PM, German Chancelor & British PM
10. Kisses the Mexican dictator's ass and lets him come into our house and lecture US on human rights.

Brilliant!!!

 

[JScott]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

His views are closer to mine than Bush juniors were.

 

[xsited1]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

I voted for Obama because he's just like my hero George W. Bush. I lovingly call Obama 'Bush-III'.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Let's see....


He wasn't born with the surname "Bush"....he's articulate....


Thats about it.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's take a gander at the Obama scorecard 16 months in:
1. 2 terrorist attacks on American soil
2. Gulf oil spill
3. Mortgage meltdown
4. 40+ million unemployed
5. Dollar at it's weakest ever
6. Nucular Iran (coming soon to a theater near you)
7. Nucular N. Korea
8. Bailouts for his cronies at AIG, GM & Wall Street
9. Snubs Israeli PM, German Chancelor & British PM
10. Kisses the Mexican dictator's ass and lets him come into our house and lecture US on human rights.

Brilliant!!!

I love it when rightwingers say "nucular"

it carries over to the idiocy of the rest of his post

 

[Polk]

Let's take a gander at the Obama scorecard 16 months in:
1. 2 terrorist attacks on American soil
2. Gulf oil spill
3. Mortgage meltdown
4. 40+ million unemployed
5. Dollar at it's weakest ever
6. Nucular Iran (coming soon to a theater near you)
7. Nucular N. Korea
8. Bailouts for his cronies at AIG, GM & Wall Street
9. Snubs Israeli PM, German Chancelor & British PM
10. Kisses the Mexican dictator's ass and lets him come into our house and lecture US on human rights.

Brilliant!!!

- The only successful terrorist attacks of the Obama years so far have been crazy right-wingers pissed off about losing the election. And even then, they've killed a few dozen people tops. Several thousand Americans had lost their lives in terrorist attacks at this point in the Bush administration.
- 40 million unemployed? I'd love to see you support that claim.
- The dollar is trading at five-year highs against the Euro.
- North Korea already had nuclear weapons.
- Aid for AIG and the banks were approved by the previous administration, so it's hard to argue it's Obama providing anyone payback.

 

[rdean]

Next on the agenda for President Obama

Repeal of "Don't ask...don't tell"

Another issue Bush refused to touch

Actually, Bush touched the "gay" issue twice. Once when he was campaigning for his "first" term and second, when he was campaigning for his "second" term. Both times, he promised a constitutional amendment. Then, once the sheep believed the lie, he turned his sights on golf or chopping wood or Jeff Gannon or kissing Arabs on the lips and holding hands.

 

[DiamondDave]

Seriously it is a difficult comparison. Bush started out with a huge surplus and no international involvements. .

Debunked... NUMEROUS times... There was no huge surplus... there was no surplus PERIOD

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I am not posting in this thread, because I have no answer to the question.

 

[DiamondDave]

Obama captivates some lemmings with his speeches.. Bush really captivated nobody... That is about the only thing I believe could be counted as "better"... Both are horrid on budget and economic issues.. Both seem rather lost at times...

 

[Zoom-boing]

Are you claiming McCain could have won if Obama was white?

Republicans at all levels of government were voted out of office in 2008. This was because of the collapsing economy, not because all these elections had one candidate who was white and the other was black.

I'm saying that without a doubt there were people who voted for Obama because he was black and yes, this was the only reason for some. Just as there were people who didn't vote for him solely because he was black.

Obama would have won if he were white but I do believe that his being black helped him garner more votes.

So you think the number of white people who feel that strongly moved by our nation's long history of racism is higher than the number of racists? I want some of what you're smoking.

You think more people voted against Obama because he is black vs. for him because he is black? I don't. I also think many people who normally may not have voted got off their collective butts and went to the booth to be able to say they cast a vote for the first black president. Historical and all that jazz.

btw, where did I mention white or black in reference to the voters? I referred to them as 'people', neither white nor black. Interesting you assumed white.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seriously PC, Skin Color was the reason Obama was elected?

Did you miss out on the last ten years? The 2006 congressional election was a referendum on the idiocy of the Iraq War. Republicans at all levels were voted out of office and Donald Rumsfeld paid with his job.

The 2008 election was about the economy. Since 2007, the economy had been in a freefall and the Republicans denied it right up to the election. Remember "The economy is fundamentally strong" from McCain? If skin color were the only reason for Obamas election, why were Republican Congressmen, Senators and Governors also voted out of office? Were they the wrong skin color too?

I think you have quite a valid case had I said "Skin Color was the reason Obama was elected..." as you have posited it.

And, again, your words: "If skin color were the only reason for Obamas election,..."

I like the technique...if you can get away with it.

But that is not quite what I said.

This from my post: "...why many support[ed] him."

I would love to debate the aspect of the Democrat playbook known as 'identity politics,' and then try to give some percentage of the vote that the President garnered due to skin color...but for this thread, I'll stick to 'many' being the operative term.

Of course the soaring oratorial ability must be a large part of the equation, and the economy. But I'll stick with my premise.

Were you able to read the Brookhiser essay?
Are you ready to make the argument that skin color was not a factor to any degree? I thought not.


If you would like to base your thinking on "Did you miss out on the last ten years?" then you are forced to answer this query:
Why was McCain ahead in September, prior to the financial meltdown?

PC...I stand corrected and misread your original post.

"if you support pres obama..."
Well, if you will allow me to infract your rule, as I do not support the President, I would like to offer a suggestion as to why many support[ed] him.

Skin color.

I do agree that many people voted for him because of his skin color. 95% of Blacks voted for him but 85% of those would have voted for the Democrat anyway. I also believe that many people did not vote for him because he is black, hates America, hates whites, is a Muslim and was born in Kenya...so I guess race goes both ways.

As to the Brookheiser essay....I read the title "the numinous negro" laughed at how pretentious it was and moved on. Reminds me too much of that Barack the Magic Negro crap

Now as to McCain leading in the polls in early September, it was a momentary bump from Palin and the Republican convention. It quickly faded once people realized what a dimwit Palin was and after McCain had a chance to strut his stuff in the debates

"As to the Brookheiser essay....I read the title "the numinous negro" laughed at how pretentious it was and moved on..."

I'm doubtfull that your technique adds to ones store of knowledge...but it certainly is a time saver.

 

[Coyote]

Bush was in office for 8 years. Obama has been in office for 1.5 years. I think it's impossible to make reasonable comparisons. Opinions on Bush are the product of 8 years of performance. I don't think 1.5 years is enough to make a judgement on or a comparison to Bush with.

 

[JScott]

Let's take a gander at the Obama scorecard 16 months in:
1. 2 terrorist attacks on American soil
2. Gulf oil spill
3. Mortgage meltdown
4. 40+ million unemployed
5. Dollar at it's weakest ever
6. Nucular Iran (coming soon to a theater near you)
7. Nucular N. Korea
8. Bailouts for his cronies at AIG, GM & Wall Street
9. Snubs Israeli PM, German Chancelor & British PM
10. Kisses the Mexican dictator's ass and lets him come into our house and lecture US on human rights.

Brilliant!!!

Let's take a gander at the Bushes scorecard for 8 years:

1. -9/11/2001
September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2001 anthrax attacks
2001 anthrax attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-The Ohio highway sniper attacks were a series of 24 sniper attacks along Interstate 270 and other nearby highways in the central part of the U.S. state of Ohio.
Ohio highway sniper attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-February 12, 2007 : A teenage gunman kills five bystanders and wounds four more in a popular shopping center before being shot dead by police in the Trolley Square shooting in Salt Lake City, Utah.
List of terrorist incidents, 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-October 26, 2007 : A pair of improvised explosive devices are thrown at the Mexican Consulate in New York City. The fake grenades were filled with black powder and detonated by fuses, causing very minor damage. Police investigate the connection between this and a similar attack against the British Consulate in New York in 2005.
List of terrorist incidents, 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2006, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
List of terrorist incidents, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2006, An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.
List of terrorist incidents, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2005, Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.

2. Hurricane Katrina.

3. The Iraq war

4. 2008 economic crisis and recession. The National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) marked December 2007, the month with the highest payroll employment numbers, as the high point of American economic production with output declining from then on to the present.
Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. Iran, same as Obama.

6. North Korea's October 9, 2006, detonation of a nuclear device further complicated Bush's foreign policy, which centered for both terms of his presidency on "[preventing] the terrorists and regimes who seek chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons from threatening the United States and the world". Failed.

7. Who proposed the bailout?
Bush: Bailout plan necessary to deal with crisis
Bush: Bailout plan necessary to deal with crisis - CNN.com

Bush signs $700bn economic bail-out plan approved by Congress
President George Bush signs $700bn economic bail-out plan following its approval by Congress | Business | guardian.co.uk

Bush Asking For $700 Billion Bailout
Bush Asking For $700 Billion Bailout

8. Opinions of Bush from outside the U.S. are less than favorable. For example, a global sampling in 2005 of 21 nations found that 58% of those sampled believed that the president's reelection would have a negative impact on their peace and security. Only 26% believed it would have a positive one.[118]

In 18 of the 21 countries surveyed around the world, a majority of respondents were found to hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush. Respondents indicated that they judged his administration as "negative" for world security.
Public image of George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

9. In November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss of jobs in the United States in 34 years.[119] The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs were lost.[120] By the end of 2008, the U.S. had lost a total of 2.6 million jobs.
George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10. After being re-elected, Bush signed into law a Medicare drug benefit program that, according to Jan Crawford Greenburg, resulted in "the greatest expansion in America's welfare state in forty years;" the bill's costs approached $7 trillion. What a socialist.
George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brilliant.

 

[rightwinger]

Let's take a gander at the Obama scorecard 16 months in:
1. 2 terrorist attacks on American soil
2. Gulf oil spill
3. Mortgage meltdown
4. 40+ million unemployed
5. Dollar at it's weakest ever
6. Nucular Iran (coming soon to a theater near you)
7. Nucular N. Korea
8. Bailouts for his cronies at AIG, GM & Wall Street
9. Snubs Israeli PM, German Chancelor & British PM
10. Kisses the Mexican dictator's ass and lets him come into our house and lecture US on human rights.

Brilliant!!!

Let's take a gander at the Bushes scorecard for 8 years:

1. -9/11/2001
September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2001 anthrax attacks
2001 anthrax attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-The Ohio highway sniper attacks were a series of 24 sniper attacks along Interstate 270 and other nearby highways in the central part of the U.S. state of Ohio.
Ohio highway sniper attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-February 12, 2007 : A teenage gunman kills five bystanders and wounds four more in a popular shopping center before being shot dead by police in the Trolley Square shooting in Salt Lake City, Utah.
List of terrorist incidents, 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-October 26, 2007 : A pair of improvised explosive devices are thrown at the Mexican Consulate in New York City. The fake grenades were filled with black powder and detonated by fuses, causing very minor damage. Police investigate the connection between this and a similar attack against the British Consulate in New York in 2005.
List of terrorist incidents, 2007 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2006, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
List of terrorist incidents, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2006, An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.
List of terrorist incidents, 2006 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

-2005, Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.

2. Hurricane Katrina.

3. The Iraq war

4. 2008 economic crisis and recession. The National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) marked December 2007, the month with the highest payroll employment numbers, as the high point of American economic production with output declining from then on to the present.
Economic policy of the George W. Bush administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

5. Iran, same as Obama.

6. North Korea's October 9, 2006, detonation of a nuclear device further complicated Bush's foreign policy, which centered for both terms of his presidency on "[preventing] the terrorists and regimes who seek chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons from threatening the United States and the world". Failed.

7. Who proposed the bailout?
Bush: Bailout plan necessary to deal with crisis
Bush: Bailout plan necessary to deal with crisis - CNN.com

Bush signs $700bn economic bail-out plan approved by Congress
President George Bush signs $700bn economic bail-out plan following its approval by Congress | Business | guardian.co.uk

Bush Asking For $700 Billion Bailout
Bush Asking For $700 Billion Bailout

8. Opinions of Bush from outside the U.S. are less than favorable. For example, a global sampling in 2005 of 21 nations found that 58% of those sampled believed that the president's reelection would have a negative impact on their peace and security. Only 26% believed it would have a positive one.[118]

In 18 of the 21 countries surveyed around the world, a majority of respondents were found to hold an unfavorable opinion of Bush. Respondents indicated that they judged his administration as "negative" for world security.
Public image of George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

9. In November 2008, over 500,000 jobs were lost, which marked the largest loss of jobs in the United States in 34 years.[119] The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported that in the last four months of 2008, 1.9 million jobs were lost.[120] By the end of 2008, the U.S. had lost a total of 2.6 million jobs.
George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10. After being re-elected, Bush signed into law a Medicare drug benefit program that, according to Jan Crawford Greenburg, resulted in "the greatest expansion in America's welfare state in forty years;" the bill's costs approached $7 trillion. What a socialist.
George W. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Brilliant.

You also left out the shoe bomber and the numerous attacks on abortion clinics that the Bush administration ignored.

Did we mention Abu Gharib and the open acceptance of torture?

 

[Angelhair]

So far NOTHING - ask me 3 yrs from now.

 

[Paulie]

Let's take a gander at the Obama scorecard 16 months in:
1. 2 terrorist attacks on American soil
2. Gulf oil spill
3. Mortgage meltdown
4. 40+ million unemployed
5. Dollar at it's weakest ever
6. Nucular Iran (coming soon to a theater near you)
7. Nucular N. Korea
8. Bailouts for his cronies at AIG, GM & Wall Street
9. Snubs Israeli PM, German Chancelor & British PM
10. Kisses the Mexican dictator's ass and lets him come into our house and lecture US on human rights.

Brilliant!!!

The mortgage meltdown happened long before obama took office. And the Dollar is not at its weakest ever, it's surprisingly strong right now considering the circumstances. And nuclear north korea? What does that have to do with Obama?

 

[Polk]

I'm saying that without a doubt there were people who voted for Obama because he was black and yes, this was the only reason for some. Just as there were people who didn't vote for him solely because he was black.

Obama would have won if he were white but I do believe that his being black helped him garner more votes.

So you think the number of white people who feel that strongly moved by our nation's long history of racism is higher than the number of racists? I want some of what you're smoking.

You think more people voted against Obama because he is black vs. for him because he is black? I don't. I also think many people who normally may not have voted got off their collective butts and went to the booth to be able to say they cast a vote for the first black president. Historical and all that jazz.

btw, where did I mention white or black in reference to the voters? I referred to them as 'people', neither white nor black. Interesting you assumed white.

Whites make up three-fourths of all voters. Also, that's the common claim from the right: that the President was elected out of white guilt.