what has obama done that makes him a better POTUS than bush?

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    i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

    if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.
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    It's going to take some creativity for this thread. :)
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    perhaps, but it's a sincere question.

    for a change :)
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    Unlike Bush Obama is going to go through the budget with a fine toothed comb just like her promised
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    Yeah, then he is throwing more money on the pile and letting his special interests fight for it.
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    "if you support pres obama..."
    Well, if you will allow me to infract your rule, as I do not support the President, I would like to offer a suggestion as to why many support[ed] him.

    Skin color.

    The desire to feel good about themselves, and cast off what is seen as the racist aspect of American history.

    Richard Brookhiser has an excellent essay some years back that explored this aspect of elements of the electorate.

    Brookhiser wrote an essay characterizing the left’s depiction, as follows:
    “Who is the Numinous Negro? He is everywhere, especially in our hearts, and if we are lucky he is our friend. The Numinous Negro is a presiding divinity. The place he presides over is America, and contact with him elevates us spiritually. You see him in the gooey prose of white liberals whenever a Negro appears….The saintly Death Row hero of The Green Mile was so Numinous that even movie reviewers noticed the technique…
    liberalism is a secular faith concerned to remedy what political scientist Kenneth Minogue called “suffering situations.”
    The Numinous Negro - Flashback - National Review Online
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    Seriously it is a difficult comparison. Bush started out with a huge surplus and no international involvements. Obama stepped into a huge deficite and a death spiral of an economy and two wars..

    What would an Obama have done with Bushes start? What would Bush have done with the conditions of Obamas start?

    It is impossible to gauge. Based on how Bush handled the situation and advantages he inherited I would venture that by this point we would be the passengers on the Titanic.

    Obama having a surplus and great economy would not have the crisis to do health care ...at least a better regulated economy ...we may not have had the wall st collapse ...it is just to hard to know if a smart guy could have done any better than the baffoon.
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    Simply the fact that Bush started with a huge surplus and no international involvements and we ended up with huge deficit and a death spiral of an economy and two wars tells the story.

    These are observations that those on the right will desperately REFUSE to acknowledge. What will happen is the thread will continue with those points being ignored or the thread will just die with someone starting another, "Obama is really the grandson of Adolf Hitler" thread.
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    Seriously PC, Skin Color was the reason Obama was elected?

    Did you miss out on the last ten years? The 2006 congressional election was a referendum on the idiocy of the Iraq War. Republicans at all levels were voted out of office and Donald Rumsfeld paid with his job.

    The 2008 election was about the economy. Since 2007, the economy had been in a freefall and the Republicans denied it right up to the election. Remember "The economy is fundamentally strong" from McCain? If skin color were the only reason for Obamas election, why were Republican Congressmen, Senators and Governors also voted out of office? Were they the wrong skin color too?
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    Wait, so the left can claim that people who are opposed to Obama do so because they object to his skin color but . . . . no one voted for Obama because of his skin color? Bullshit.
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    Are you claiming McCain could have won if Obama was white?

    Republicans at all levels of government were voted out of office in 2008. This was because of the collapsing economy, not because all these elections had one candidate who was white and the other was black.
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    Osama has given me new respect for the 2nd amdt. and sleep with one eye open. :razz:
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    It's not what he has done. It's what he hasn't done.
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    Obama puts on better dog & pony shows with bussed in fake oil clean-up crews, paid fake protesters & fake doctors.

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    I'm saying that without a doubt there were people who voted for Obama because he was black and yes, this was the only reason for some. Just as there were people who didn't vote for him solely because he was black.

    Obama would have won if he were white but I do believe that his being black helped him garner more votes.
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    I think you have quite a valid case had I said "Skin Color was the reason Obama was elected..." as you have posited it.

    And, again, your words: "If skin color were the only reason for Obamas election,..."

    I like the technique...if you can get away with it.

    But that is not quite what I said.

    This from my post: "...why many support[ed] him."

    I would love to debate the aspect of the Democrat playbook known as 'identity politics,' and then try to give some percentage of the vote that the President garnered due to skin color...but for this thread, I'll stick to 'many' being the operative term.

    Of course the soaring oratorial ability must be a large part of the equation, and the economy. But I'll stick with my premise.

    Were you able to read the Brookhiser essay?
    Are you ready to make the argument that skin color was not a factor to any degree? I thought not.


    If you would like to base your thinking on "Did you miss out on the last ten years?" then you are forced to answer this query:
    Why was McCain ahead in September, prior to the financial meltdown?
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    You know that Obama being black cost him more votes than helped him. All you have to do is asked the base of the Confederate Republican Party of Teabags.

    Why can't the right ever be honest? Just once. Say the truth, "We don't like Obama because he's black".

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    Just say what you feel! You'll get more respect.
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    How would Obama have handled 9/11. I mean after telling everyone that's just "Americas chickens coming home to roost"?
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    This is going to be hard for you to swallow but keeping in the vein of serious....

    I doubt there would have been 9/11 if Obama had been elected instead of Bush. Not a 30 ish year old Obama of course .... but the one we have now.

    Unlike many I lean towards what Ossama said was his reasoning for the attack. Bushes daddy was the guy that put the Air Force base in Saudi Arabia that Ossama believed was defiling his holy land. Right or wrong ..from our standpoint..obviously wrong..that was his motivation. With Obamas prediliction to listen before he acts ... My guess is that he might have diffused some of Ossamas effect.

    Bush was warned many times and arrogantly ignored the warnings. I honestly believe Obama is several levels of intelligent above Bush and would have at least looked into the specific warnings of attacks by airplaness being hatched.

    If .... somehow even Obama and the rest of the gobmint dropped the ball I doubt Obama would have foolishly rushed us into a war. I am sure he would have assembled Seals and Ranger teams and gone into Afgahnistan and wiped out the elements of Al Quiada that caused the attack. That is what an Intelligent president should have done. That is what happened to Tim McVeih and The Blind Shiek on the attempted destruction by bombing of the towers.

    It is hard to look back and know what would have..could have..should have..been done by whom. America had not just fucking had enough of idiots running things. In my opinion we would have never elected Obama in good times.
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    Let me turn the question around and ask you, in what area are we not now better off than we were on the day Obama took office?

    Of course we are in a terrible position on many issues, and they all have to do with our inability to face up to our problems. And, no matter who is president, unless we finally do what we'll have to do on such things as Social Security, Medicare, our Health Care delivery system, our dependence on foreign oil, and what seems to be our willingness to cede Green Technology, which is the next great economic growth area, to our competition, we will continue to slide toward following Greece over the economic edge.

    But, back to your question, "why you feel he's a better pres than bush was," pick you category...........be it the economy, wall street, health care, or whatever you wish to discuss........as far as we are from being perfect on anything, we are today in a far, far better place than we were on the day Obama took office.
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