What firearms are protected by the 2nd Amendment

[xotoxi]

Why do you way that?
How is the militia currently insufficiently regulated?

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized. If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".

If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

Not necessarily true. Look at the state militia during the war between the states. The states militia in the north did not have standard weapons, some men carried smooth bore 69 cal muskets at the beginning of the war. While others carried rifled bore rifles.

Evidence that the war between the states was un-Constitutional. It was not fought with well regulated militia, therefore the entire thing was illegal.

 

[xotoxi]

Why do you way that?
How is the militia currently insufficiently regulated?

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized. If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".

If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

no it wouldn't. the constitution does not mandate a well regulated militia, it allows one. The degree of regulation is up to the congress and the states.

I stand corrected. I suppose if a state wanted a rag-tag haphazard militia, then they can do that. That is true.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized. If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".

If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

Not necessarily true. Look at the state militia during the war between the states. The states militia in the north did not have standard weapons, some men carried smooth bore 69 cal muskets at the beginning of the war. While others carried rifled bore rifles.

Evidence that the war between the states was un-Constitutional. It was not fought with well regulated militia, therefore the entire thing was illegal.

went over your head, sorry about that.

 

[CMike]

I still don't understand how "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is unclear?

 

[Montrovant]

I still don't understand how "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" is unclear?

I couldn't find the Family Guy take on this on youtube

 

[JakeStarkey]

You defend against the notion that Hitler was a socialist why is that?

Wasn't he the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party?

Thus the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, by your own suggestion above, is democratic and republican and represents the will of the people. North Korea is stalinist. Germany was totalitarian. Your own evidence blew up your thesis, bigreb.

Which is why we are a Constitutional Republic.

That is generally elected directly by democratic majority, with the major exception of the Electoral College. Epic fail on your part, bigreb mubarak. You believe in statist totalitarian control as long as it is your beliefs that are imposed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Thus the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, by your own suggestion above, is democratic and republican and represents the will of the people. North Korea is stalinist. Germany was totalitarian. Your own evidence blew up your thesis, bigreb.

Which is why we are a Constitutional Republic.

That is generally elected directly by democratic majority, with the major exception of the Electoral College. Epic fail on your part, bigreb mubarak. You believe in statist totalitarian control as long as it is your beliefs that are imposed.

Epic fail on your part muslim brotherhood supporter. We are a conatitutional republic, because we are governed by Constitutional law., not by the majority.

 

[BenNatuf]

For one thing, the firearms that are to be used by the militia are not standardized. If we want them well regulated, everyone should be given the same type firearm, that was produced in a regulated manner.

Otherwise, you are stuck with a "somewhat haphazard militia".

If that's what you want, that's fine...but it would be unConstitutional.

no it wouldn't. the constitution does not mandate a well regulated militia, it allows one. The degree of regulation is up to the congress and the states.

I stand corrected. I suppose if a state wanted a rag-tag haphazard militia, then they can do that. That is true.

and what do you know, all 50 states do. A militia is not an army, its an armed citizenry. Militias by there very nature are expected to have diverse personal weapons, it's not a problem so long as the government has diverse ammunition sources. The weapon a militia member carries does not belong to the government and the government has no say so in what type of personal weapon the member might choose (the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)

 

[BenNatuf]

Thus the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, by your own suggestion above, is democratic and republican and represents the will of the people. North Korea is stalinist. Germany was totalitarian. Your own evidence blew up your thesis, bigreb.

Which is why we are a Constitutional Republic.

That is generally elected directly by democratic majority, with the major exception of the Electoral College. Epic fail on your part, bigreb mubarak. You believe in statist totalitarian control as long as it is your beliefs that are imposed.

The backflips you liberals will do to keep the word "democracy" is astoundiing

. We are not and never have been a "democratic republic" we are a constituional republic pure and simple.

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voting does not make us a democratic anyhting.

 

[JakeStarkey]

BenNatuf, I am glad you post. You demonstrate exactly why we have republican government. You get to post your zaniness, we get to read it and chuckle, and we all move along.

 

[M14 Shooter]

no it wouldn't. the constitution does not mandate a well regulated militia, it allows one. The degree of regulation is up to the congress and the states.

I stand corrected. I suppose if a state wanted a rag-tag haphazard militia, then they can do that. That is true.

and what do you know, all 50 states do. A militia is not an army, its an armed citizenry. Militias by there very nature are expected to have diverse personal weapons, it's not a problem so long as the government has diverse ammunition sources.

Or the militiamen supply the ammunition themselves.

The weapon a militia member carries does not belong to the government

Generally true. There may be cases where the state issueed militiamen their weapons.

and the government has no say so in what type of personal weapon the member might choose

Not necessarily so. The government, exercising its power to provide for the arming of the militia, could specify that the militiamen supply themsleves with a certain kind of weapon for their service in the militia, in order to ensure that the weapons in the hands of the militia are suitable for such use. This wouild, of course, not infringe their right to arms as the militiamen are perfectly free to have any other arms they might so choose.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Which is why we are a Constitutional Republic.

That is generally elected directly by democratic majority, with the major exception of the Electoral College. Epic fail on your part, bigreb mubarak. You believe in statist totalitarian control as long as it is your beliefs that are imposed.

The backflips you liberals will do to keep the word "democracy" is astoundiing

. We are not and never have been a "democratic republic" we are a constituional republic pure and simple.

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re·pub·lic   /rɪˈpʌblɪk/ Show Spelled
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–noun
1. a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

voting does not make us a democratic anyhting.

The important thing to remember is while The People, thru their representatives, have the power to vote in or on whatever they want, the majority opinion of the people is restricted by the Constitutiion, both in terms of what the government is allowed to do and the protections the Constitution affords to the people.

 

[BrianH]

Yeah, whatever. You try this bull shit in the army and you would be thrown out, in business and you would be fired, and at university you would flunk out.

Move out, loser.

1. You're the biggest dumbass on these boards.
2. You have not proven a damn thing you've said on here. You've also either ignored links that I have posted and you've also reworded statements I've made to fit your argument. I made a statement and posted a link of the proof of my statement. You have down-played my statement and link without posting anything of your own. Just because you refuse to believe it doesn't make it false. Giving the government the power to access devices that were previously unaccessible EXPANDS the power of the Act.
3. You have no idea what I've done, whether I have ever been fired, or if I went to college. Screw you and the horse you road in on...
4. Once again you've failed to wage a logical debate. (Big suprise)

I know such behavior as you have suggested above what lead to the above results. You have provided no convincing arguments, your logic has been demolished, and you have not been able to rock my solid points.

Move out, trainee.

Yeah, keep coming up with nonsense to post. I have posted links to show that the Obama administration is seeking to expand the powers of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act by allowing them to monitor computers, cell phones, and other devices that access the internet; a power not previously allowed in the current writing of the Act. YOU have not proven this otherwise nor have succeeded in waging a logical debate. (Big surprise.)