What firearms are protected by the 2nd Amendment

[JakeStarkey]

And by law handguns are pretty much forbidden in NY, etc...

Law or constitution as the situation dictates?

ComradeMini14 reserves the right to interpret it for his own convenience. It is amazing how the lefties like littlecomrade try to hide amongst the conservatives.

 

[Anachronism]

ALL OF THE ABOVE (and quite a bit more).

Please realize that less than two weeks before our Founders first stood up and declared.... "From our Cold, Dead Hands!!!" on the Town Green in Lexington, MA British regulars marched on a barn in Salem, MA (yes, THAT Salem) with the intent of seizing other privately owned military stores..... powder, ball, caison, and CANON. They were foiled by quick thinking colonists who pulled down a bridge, forcing the Redcoats to simply watch from afar as the colonists "relocated" the arms. Artillery, Cavalry, and other segments of the military were included in the private/regional/local forces of the Colonies. I would suggest that pretty much all military arms fall under the Second Amendment, simply based on what the Colonists themselves owned.

 

[uscitizen]

And by law handguns are pretty much forbidden in NY, etc...

Law or constitution as the situation dictates?

ComradeMini14 reserves the right to interpret it for his own convenience. It is amazing how the lefties like littlecomrade try to hid amongst the conservatives.

Self centered finiancial gain he makes his money selling guns.
Interesting that the title refers to the second ammendment then he resorts to law...

 

[Mini 14]

And by law handguns are pretty much forbidden in NY, etc...

Law or constitution as the situation dictates?

"pretty much forbidden" is not the same as "illegal."

It is MUCH more difficult to possess, and particularly to CARRY, firearms in New York and California (neither of which are representative of the US in general), but it is still a right granted to every citizen of the US, and neither State has been successful in infringing that right.

That said, the laws in both States are so arbitrary and restrictive that I refuse to sell to anyone who owns property in, or holds license from either State. And that practice is almost across the board among gun dealers who are not physically located in either State.

Still, it isn't illegal in either State with the proper permits. Neither would be the NFA arms.

So the Constitution still wins.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let's tell the history correctly. Much of the gunpowder and major crew-served pieces were given to the colonists by the crown. Our forefathers at Lexington Green were beginning to disband as ordered by the officer in charge of the redcoats, when someone fired a musket. When the smoke lifted, more than a dozen patriots were dead or dying on the green and the others were running away.

Having straightened you out, now to the remainder of the story. The redcoats quickly searched the town and found nothing, then marched on Concord. The minutemen disbanded when ordered to do so. A search of the town for colonial leaders and munitions failed. On the march back the British column fought off militia units that were triple the size of the column and were escorted by a relief column from Boston back to safety. The British brought back all of their dead and wounded, all.

The real showdown was fought at Bunker Hill (Breed's Hill), where the American militia fought off two British assaults magnificently before fleeing before the third because their gunpowder had run out. The British lost at BH one of every eleven officers killed in the Revolution. The patriots showed they were willing to fight to the last round. One of four patriots would never return home, a higher death % than even in the Civil War.

Now you have the rest of the story.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And by law handguns are pretty much forbidden in NY, etc...

Law or constitution as the situation dictates?

"pretty much forbidden" is not the same as "illegal."

It is MUCH more difficult to possess, and particularly to CARRY, firearms in New York and California (neither of which are representative of the US in general), but it is still a right granted to every citizen of the US, and neither State has been successful in infringing that right.

That said, the laws in both States are so arbitrary and restrictive that I refuse to sell to anyone who owns property in, or holds license from either State. And that practice is almost across the board among gun dealers who are not physically located in either State.

Still, it isn't illegal in either State with the proper permits. Neither would be the NFA arms.

So the Constitution still wins.

minicomrade does not make sense. Either it is constitutional or not, but the constitution wins out, but he won't sell in those states, and thus . . . . You better go find uncensored2008 and get some of his tranqs.

 

[Mini 14]

You are a lib in con's clothing, kiddo. You want to interpret the Constitution by your desire, not its clear intent. You are an activist progressive, obviously, comrade.

How you or I interpret the Constitution really doesn't matter, it is how the law interprets it that counts.

Lucky for me, the law interprets it as I do.

Best of luck in your continued fight to change it by whining on USMB.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are a lib in con's clothing, kiddo. You want to interpret the Constitution by your desire, not its clear intent. You are an activist progressive, obviously, comrade.

How you or I interpret the Constitution really doesn't matter, it is how the law interprets it that counts.

Lucky for me, the law interprets it as I do.

Best of luck in your continued fight to change it by whining on USMB.

I am whining? OK. Bur don't tell anybody that you have just supported my position.

 

[Mini 14]

And by law handguns are pretty much forbidden in NY, etc...

Law or constitution as the situation dictates?

ComradeMini14 reserves the right to interpret it for his own convenience. It is amazing how the lefties like littlecomrade try to hid amongst the conservatives.

Self centered finiancial gain he makes his money selling guns.
Interesting that the title refers to the second ammendment then he resorts to law...

Has it ever dawned on you that the similarity in the laws and the Constitution (not just as it pertains to the 2nd) is not mere coincidence?

Constitutionality is one of the big hurdles all Bills have to pass before they become Law.

So the law reflects the Constitution.

And you two gun-phobes are the ones who brought up "intent of the Constitution."

I just used it to show everyone else how scared and ignorant you both are.

 

[Mini 14]

You are a lib in con's clothing, kiddo. You want to interpret the Constitution by your desire, not its clear intent. You are an activist progressive, obviously, comrade.

How you or I interpret the Constitution really doesn't matter, it is how the law interprets it that counts.

Lucky for me, the law interprets it as I do.

Best of luck in your continued fight to change it by whining on USMB.

I am whining? OK. Bur don't tell anybody that you have just supported my position.

Well then finally, you're a winner!

 

[JohnnyApplesack]

What firearms are protected by the 2nd Amendment

Wouldn't the protected firearms be what the well regulated militia requested?

As far as I know there are none specified.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Then that would be flintlock black powder weapons.

 

[JakeStarkey]

ComradeMini14 reserves the right to interpret it for his own convenience. It is amazing how the lefties like littlecomrade try to hid amongst the conservatives.

Self centered finiancial gain he makes his money selling guns.
Interesting that the title refers to the second ammendment then he resorts to law...

Has it ever dawned on you that the similarity in the laws and the Constitution (not just as it pertains to the 2nd) is not mere coincidence?

Constitutionality is one of the big hurdles all Bills have to pass before they become Law.

So the law reflects the Constitution.

And you two gun-phobes are the ones who brought up "intent of the Constitution."

I just used it to show everyone else how scared and ignorant you both are.

I was 11B airborne before you were born. I have a tremendous respect and have a tremendous familiarity with all infantry and weapons support platoon ordinance.

There is no way I would trust most of the far righties and the far lefties on this site with much more than a .22 rifle. or 20-gauge shotgun.

 

[Mini 14]

Self centered finiancial gain he makes his money selling guns.
Interesting that the title refers to the second ammendment then he resorts to law...

Has it ever dawned on you that the similarity in the laws and the Constitution (not just as it pertains to the 2nd) is not mere coincidence?

Constitutionality is one of the big hurdles all Bills have to pass before they become Law.

So the law reflects the Constitution.

And you two gun-phobes are the ones who brought up "intent of the Constitution."

I just used it to show everyone else how scared and ignorant you both are.

I was 11B airborne before you were born. I have a tremendous respect and have a tremendous familiarity with all infantry and weapons support platoon ordinance.

There is no way I would trust most of the far righties and the far lefties on this site with much more than a .22 rifle. or 20-gauge shotgun.

Well then it sucks that we don't call you with our 4473's, huh?

You don't want to see my gun safe, I assure you. You'd be lying in the floor crying like a little school girl before the door was even fully opened.

Thanks for your service!

Wanna D/R M4's against the clock? Bet you $100.....and spot you 10 seconds.

You should know.....I've only lost once....but he was a Marine

 

[Mini 14]

Oh wait....

You said you were Airborne before I was born, right?

So to make it fair, change the M4s to M1 Garands.

And I'll still win

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The second amendment does not specify a type of arms.

You Should Have a Gun « Verbellum

You should have a gun. You really should.

Politicians and news personalities and other talking heads will often tell you that you shouldn’t have a gun. They’ll tell you that guns don’t need to be useful beyond the narrow scope of hunting and personal defense. They’ll tell you that the Second Amendment must have limits so that criminals and maniacs and terrorists can’t have high-capacity magazines and machine guns.

But hunting and self-defense are two secondary reasons why the government isn’t permitted to infringe on your right, as an American citizen, to bear arms. In fact, let’s review the exact text of the Second Amendment right now:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It doesn’t say anything about hunting. It doesn’t say anything about personal defense either. It contains two major parts: a justification of the right, and an unqualified declaration of the right.

The justification explains that the importance of this right is that it allows for local, organized defense (though nowhere does it restrict the right to this purpose). It is not referring to the National Guard of each state. It is referring to civilians maintaining the ability to organize themselves into effective military units if the need should arise.

The declaration does not specify what kind of arms, nor does it provide any room for exception to the rule. The word infringe does not include any connotation of flexibility. It means, “to encroach upon,” with its origins in a Latin word meaning “to damage, break off.” Any baby-step in the direction of restricting possession and carrying of arms of any kind is an infringement of the right.

It is not an oversight that the amendment was written this way. The founders of the United States were rebels and revolutionaries. Access to weapons is what allowed them to defend their country from the theft and oppression of George III.

It’s important to note here that monarchy was a very long-standing form of government as of the late 18th century. The founders were educated people who were facing massive disillusionment with a system that had been in place from time immemorial. The Second Amendment is a recognition that even the most trusted, powerful institutions around us can turn out be destructive elements that need to be stood down. They knew it could happen even in this well-considered arrangement they had created themselves.

That is why the people of the United States have a right—second only to free speech, free religion, free assembly, and redress of grievances—to own and to carry weapons of their choosing, with no limits. Everything from slingshots to missiles to laser rifles is forbidden to the government to restrict. And that right exists primarily so that we may defend ourselves against the government if it becomes necessary, with the same level of force that the government can employ.

Unless you’ve been living in a hole for the past few decades, there’s no way you could not have noticed the government’s complete lack of impunity in its actions. There’s no way you could not have noticed that, year after year, it looks a lot more like a permanent ruling class than any kind of democracy. There’s no way you could not have noticed that something has gone awry with the founders’ great experiment.

Governments cannot be trusted to correct themselves once they’ve gone bad. Human history does not contain many examples of that. Governing bodies exist to last indefinitely, so that’s what they do—preserve the structure of rule. Sometimes, when they’re acting badly enough, that preservation can take some really ugly forms. It can kill and destroy with an unimaginable ferocity. Human history is filled with examples of this.

Unarmed citizens command no authority and present potential government thugs no deterrent to abuse. Armed citizens represent a power to be reckoned with; any large-scale assault upon them risks running into effective resistance.

No one is saying you should keep an automatic rifle loaded under your bed, ready and waiting to be brought into battle. There’s no call to attack the government. There’s no need to join a militia if you don’t want to.

But you should have a gun, and you should learn to use, store, and maintain it properly. You should assert and protect your and your fellow citizens’ right to keep and bear arms. And you should never forget why.

The Supreme Court ruled in 1939 that a firearm is protected by the 2nd Amendment if it is of use or in use by the military. All the above apply.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

I think the sensible solution is by making legislation that regards WHO can own a gun-not WHAT gun they can own. I think any law abidding citizen (of age), should be able to own a gun if they want to. But I think we need to crack down on who can sell under what situation. I can go up the road tomorrow, wan walk out with several firearms, and the only thing I'd have to show is my FL Driver's License.

Edit: No criminal check-nothing. That's what I think needs to be addressed. Gun shows and Flea Markets are easy ways for criminals to purchase firearms. What's wrong with requiring them to have to do a really quick, criminal background check on them. Hell you can google somebody and find out if they've been convicted of a felony or a violent crime.

 

[blu]

the 2nd amendment doesn't specify, but the people should access to the same weapons as police and most of the military. being content with handguns and semi-automatic weapon thinking that will help you take out the government in a revolution is retarded

 

[RetiredGySgt]

the 2nd amendment doesn't specify, but the people should access to the same weapons as police and most of the military. being content with handguns and semi-automatic weapon thinking that will help you take out the government in a revolution is retarded

Ya cause no guerrilla war has ever worked right?

 

[JohnnyApplesack]

The Supreme Court ruled in 1939 that a firearm is protected by the 2nd Amendment if it is of use or in use by the military.

So if Warren Buffet, the Koch Bros or one of the Waltons wanted to buy a B1 Bomber fully loaded with 2K lb munitions, it's all good? And they can buy a fully operational Abrams, combat loaded and park it in the yard?

WTF?