What *exactly* are you afraid of?

[The Paperboy]

Are you bothered that DOJ firings were politically motivated?

Not at all unless there is a specific case they were working on that caused the firing (s). They serve at the discretion of the President. There is a reason for that.

Are you bothered that Bush ignored a lot of Allies, or that McCain said something screwy about not meeting with Spain?

No. I am thankful that we have not had another terrorist attack in 7 years. I am thankful that Afgan womena and girls are not living under extreme suppression and they are now allowed to be educated. I am thankful that Saddam Hussesin and his two sadistic children are gone and that millions of Iraqis are experiencing some sort of freedom. I am thankful that Libya abandoned its nuclear program. I am thankful that money to fight AIDS in Africa is at its highest level. I could go on but the Left decided Bush was bad so nothing good he did matters.

Freedom of speech - what about waarantless wiretapping - does this seem like an infringment on 1st amendment liberties to you? Certainly privacy issues....

I have yet to hear of one American who has been harmed by wiretapping foreign transmission into our country.

Social programs we agree, but what about the huge increase in debt and deficit spending under bush compared to Clinton?

I do not agree with it however we had 9/11 and the Tech Bubble Burst. Then the housing market went into the toilet and while I do not want to debate it I attribute that to Carter and Clinton policies.

Energy independence - not sure if there *is* a real solution but staying on oil doesn't seem the way to go - drilling is fine only so long as you are developing alternatives pronto because oil is NOT SUSTAINABLE.

I'm suer there is a solution but it is probably 50 years away. In the mean I say we do whatever we can do to become energy independent while developing the real long term solutions.

 

[Caligirl]

Willow tree -

The reason these people don't bother me is because I am sure I have associated with all sorts of deviants, I have mentioned a friend before who was convicted on predator charges.

I really think humans are flawed. I think every last one of us is. I think humans also have redeeming qualities. I think it is OK to be right there in the mix as long as you keep your center.

If Obama had been cheering "right on" in the background of the Wright sermons, or if he had downloaded some bomb manuals from old weatherman stuff, then it would be pretty obvious that he had issues.

Incidentally, I also believe that Palin's Pastor's God Damn Democrats ("people that don't support Bush, well, I can't vouch for the safety of their souls") is as bad as God Damn America.

Anyway, I am sort of curious if you see a point at which you won't be so concerned about these - Say two years go by with no 'radical' things happening with Obama. Will you feel better about these associations then?

By the way your cats are great.

 

[Caligirl]

Not at all unless there is a specific case they were working on that caused the firing (s). They serve at the discretion of the President. There is a reason for that.

WOuld you be bothered if Obama fired all republican federal judges and told the DOJ to hire only democrats?

 

[Chris]

Freedom of speech and wiretapping are not the same thing, though that's a nice angle.

Bush had the right to fire the DOJ peeps for whatever reasons he wanted to. Clinton fired what, 97? It's one of the privileges of the president.

I told you before this is a bogus charge.

Clinton replaced AGs when he got into office. This a tradition for new presidents. No president has EVER fired
AGs because they wouldn't go along with his political agenda.

Are you just willfully ignorant?

 

[The Paperboy]

Would you be bothered if Obama fired all republican federal judges and told the DOJ to hire only democrats?

Judges can't be fired.

I'm no expert but as for the Assistant Attorney Generals you can pretty much count on them all being replaced over the next year or so as they are political appointments and serve at the pleasure of the President.

Someone else with more expertise might be able to fill in more on this.

 

[glockmail]

Give me a specific.

I'll give you an example. I was terrified that we would be in WWIII with Iran, dropping nukes on them, for no reason, within a year of bush's reelection.

That was a specific articulated fear.

Don't just say 'socialism' -

What specifically horrible thing do you think is going to happen??

Carter II: high taxes stifling economic recovery, inflation, high corporate taxes causing a flight of companies out of the US, causing massive unemployment. Reduction in economic and military power resulting in the invasion of Israel by Syria and Iran, the invasion of Alaska by Russia, and the invasion of the southwest by Mexico. The geographical loss would reduce the remaining US crude oil output by 90%, further limiting our economic and military strength....

 

[WillowTree]

Willow tree -

The reason these people don't bother me is because I am sure I have associated with all sorts of deviants, I have mentioned a friend before who was convicted on predator charges.

I really think humans are flawed. I think every last one of us is. I think humans also have redeeming qualities. I think it is OK to be right there in the mix as long as you keep your center.

If Obama had been cheering "right on" in the background of the Wright sermons, or if he had downloaded some bomb manuals from old weatherman stuff, then it would be pretty obvious that he had issues.

Incidentally, I also believe that Palin's Pastor's God Damn Democrats ("people that don't support Bush, well, I can't vouch for the safety of their souls") is as bad as God Damn America.

Anyway, I am sort of curious if you see a point at which you won't be so concerned about these - Say two years go by with no 'radical' things happening with Obama. Will you feel better about these associations then?

By the way your cats are great.

I won't feel better about those associations, but Obama can prove he does not share those views. Who knows right now? As I said it's hard to believe he knew this many nefarious people with "knowing about them." I have said it before, I question his wisdom or his truthfullness, one of those two are lacking the question is which?

 

[Chris]

Carter II: high taxes stifling economic recovery, inflation, high corporate taxes causing a flight of companies out of the US, causing massive unemployment. Reduction in economic and military power resulting in the invasion of Israel by Syria and Iran, the invasion of Alaska by Russia, and the invasion of the southwest by Mexico. The geographical loss would reduce the remaining US crude oil output by 90%, further limiting our economic and military strength....

You really do live in a fantasy world.

 

[hjmick]

Nothing.

 

[Toro]

I'm afraid the Vikings won't make the playoffs AGAIN this year!

 

[bk1983]

“Many of us crucify ourselves between two thieves - regret for the past and fear of the future.”-

Fear is the highest fence. ~Dudley Nichols

To lead is difficult when you're a follower of fear. ~T.A. Sachs

William Allen White:
I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today.

 

[Annie]

I'm afraid of 'spreading the wealth' means upon those making less than $200k. I'm also fearful of what he intends to do regarding coal, nuclear technologies. Then there are the problems with elections in general. ACORN, no parameter donations, early voting, etc.

Later in the evening, this popped up regarding prejudiced and voting.

Those that have are real sense of me, know I'm as far from a racist as one could come. Conservative? Without a doubt. Meaning, I'll vote against anyone trying to cut taxes, but at the same time trying to cut anyone else legally out of the system.

On the other hand, calling 'race' as a factor for voting socialist/communist. F off.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'm afraid of 'spreading the wealth' means upon those making less than $200k. I'm also fearful of what he intends to do regarding coal, nuclear technologies. Then there are the problems with elections in general. ACORN, no parameter donations, early voting, etc.

Jesus, its almost like you don't really know why you are so afraid of Obama. These assertions are pretty tame.

I'm assuming you lived through the Clinton presidency. You did fine. You weren't screwed on taxes.

Coal and nuclear? Are you serious? These are your top issues? Those are marginal, at-the-edges energy policy issues that won't affect your or my life in any significant degree. I doubt McCain or Obama are really fundamentally different on coal and nuclear in spite of the heat of campaign rhetoric. They might be marginally different, but I'm not buying that as a reason to be "afraid" of Obama.

You've got to have something better than this. I'm guessing you vote against Democrats for emotional reasons, because these reasons are pretty tame and weak.

 

[glockmail]

You really do live in a fantasy world.

We won't be including VA in The South this time....

 

[glockmail]

.... you vote against Democrats for emotional reasons, .....

How deliciously ironic.

 

[Vel]

Give me a specific.

I'll give you an example. I was terrified that we would be in WWIII with Iran, dropping nukes on them, for no reason, within a year of bush's reelection.

That was a specific articulated fear.

Don't just say 'socialism' -

What specifically horrible thing do you think is going to happen??

I'm afraid that the expanded welfare programs of an Obama presidency would turn my once ingenuitive nation into a nation of bridgesitters.

( bridgesitters: those people that sat on a bridge after hurricane Katrina for days in the hot sun, with no ability to try to help themselves better their immediate situation. No temporary sun shelters for the old and infirm. No men making a makeshift rope to go and find fresh water or food. Only good people made so helpless by generations of relying on government welfare that it never even occurred to them to try to help themselves.)

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I told you before this is a bogus charge.

Clinton replaced AGs when he got into office. This a tradition for new presidents. No president has EVER fired
AGs because they wouldn't go along with his political agenda.

Are you just willfully ignorant?

You are willfully ignorant. Those AGs were replaced AFTER the start of his SECOND term, you know after they had served their 4 year stint? The original suggestion was to replace them all and instead they just replaced a few.

You guys are idiots.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Jesus, its almost like you don't really know why you are so afraid of Obama. These assertions are pretty tame.

I'm assuming you lived through the Clinton presidency. You did fine. You weren't screwed on taxes.

Coal and nuclear? Are you serious? These are your top issues? Those are marginal, at-the-edges energy policy issues that won't affect your or my life in any significant degree. I doubt McCain or Obama are really fundamentally different on coal and nuclear in spite of the heat of campaign rhetoric. They might be marginally different, but I'm not buying that as a reason to be "afraid" of Obama.

You've got to have something better than this. I'm guessing you vote against Democrats for emotional reasons, because these reasons are pretty tame and weak.

Are you serious? You do not even realize MOST of our electricity comes from COAL fired power plants? Wait for when your electric bill is so high you have to turn it off at the box 4 out of 7 days and hope the ice you bought keeps the food from spoiling.

 

[tigerbob]

Give me a specific.

I'm afraid that whichever candidate is elected he will place more emphasis on paying back the political favors that got him to the White House that on the promises he made to the electorate.

I'm afraid that with the economy in its current shape, fiscal reality will mean that the tax cuts promised will never be delivered, or will be clawed back in some other way.

I'm afraid that Iraq will regress into a hard-line fundamentalist nightmare after the troops are pulled out, and that the Iraqi people will pay a dear price for our failure.

I'm afraid that the Lions will go 0-16 this year.

 

[Silence]

Afraid and fear are not the words I would use in terms of myself.

My concerns are:

1. Increased taxes. Not just the one's he's already promised but more to come. Taxes will need to increase to pay for the last 8 years and 10 trillion dollar deficit that the Republican ran up
2. Huge increase in social programs most of which don't work anyway. He's already said he'll cut programs that don't work and streamline those that do
3. Government welfare in the form of checks to those who pay no Federal income tax. in case you didn't know, this already happens with earned income credit for low income families
4. No real solution to energy independence. oh like ANY president has offered a real solution to date? has this been a fear of yours since Nixon?
5. Left wing educational programs that do no concentrate on the "three Rs". no child left behind already erased the "three Rs" and lest we forget the right wing educational agenda which federally funded abstience only programs in schools across this country
6. More empowerment to school unions. Less choice for parents. sorry to say, most parents aren't involved anyway. Speaking as someone who has almost always been the lone parent volunteer in my daughter's classes
7. Judges who legislate from the bench. LOL Gore v. Kerry anyone?
8. Suppression of Freedom of Speech (not to mention the free market place) through the "Fairness Doctrine". oh you mean like how the cons silenced all war opposition by saying if you were against the war you were against America?
9. Screwing allies such as Columbia. Columbia? are you worried about your cocaine supply paper? I know you probably believed McCain when he said Columbia was our biggest importer but he was incorrect
10. A "Civilian National Security Force" whatever the hell that is. yes, let's not ask civilians to get involved in the security of our country...that's just silly perhaps it's like a neighborhood watch on a grander scale

How's that for a start?

My fear is that if McCain is elected we'll be attacked again because we'll send a clear message to the world that we have no interest in changing how we've handled our foreign and domestic policy issues.