What Everyone Needs To Know Before Watching The VP Debate

[Listening]

So, how come the rw's don't try to dispute any of these points?

How come they just insult the op and/or the source and then slink away?

If rw's disagree with these points, I really wish they would stop acting like little children and just say why.

1. The source identifies it as a giant piece of crap that isn't worth dignifying with serious rebuttal. Might as well carry on a political debate with a toddler.

2. If I'm not mistaken, each and every one of these 'points' has its very own thread somewhere on this message board, with whole passels of right-wingers posting in detail on it why that particular 'point' is a giant load of donkey droppings. None of us is particularly fond of repeating ourselves, especially when it's so manifestly obvious that leftwing dipshits like you are busy pulling your puds while we do so and making no effort whatsoever to pay attention or internalize anything you're told.

Blaming the source is a silly cop out.

Yes, rw's post to other threads but go read them. Its always insults and name calling and blaming the messenger. (Editorial) "you" have no defense so you fall back on grade school playground language and tactics.

Taking a play right from obama...."liar, liar, pants on fire".

Some have been addressed, or does your ADD prevent you from reading ?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

So, how come the rw's don't try to dispute any of these points?

How come they just insult the op and/or the source and then slink away?

If rw's disagree with these points, I really wish they would stop acting like little children and just say why.

Why don't you GFYS.

Point 1...."an estimated....." The left can't estimate the collective size of it's asshole (who, BTW is getting ready to debate Paul Ryan).

Why ?

Because there is nothing to dispute. It's all BS.

Point 6...soooooooooooooooooooooooo what ?

What LD and the other far lefties can't or won't acknowledge is that this stuff has been disputed many times and I for one no longer have any interest in pointing out the obvious to people who don't care about it to being with.

I don't know who "LD" is but in fact, no "this stuff" has not been disputed.

Unless, that is, you count Mittens' constant flip flops and Ryan's lies.

Face it - you don't have a leg to stand on.

But take heart. Its pretty likely that RobMe and LyanRyan will have whole new set of "positions" in a few days.

 

[Listening]

Why don't you GFYS.

Point 1...."an estimated....." The left can't estimate the collective size of it's asshole (who, BTW is getting ready to debate Paul Ryan).

Why ?

Because there is nothing to dispute. It's all BS.

Point 6...soooooooooooooooooooooooo what ?

What LD and the other far lefties can't or won't acknowledge is that this stuff has been disputed many times and I for one no longer have any interest in pointing out the obvious to people who don't care about it to being with.

I don't know who "LD" is but in fact, no "this stuff" has not been disputed.

Unless, that is, you count Mittens' constant flip flops and Ryan's lies.

Face it - you don't have a leg to stand on.

But take heart. Its pretty likely that RobMe and LyanRyan will have whole new set of "positions" in a few days.

Just did it asswipe. Can't you read.

Point 9...Bush's stimulus was a tax cut and it worked. Obama's was a bust.

End of story.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What LD and the other far lefties can't or won't acknowledge is that this stuff has been disputed many times and I for one no longer have any interest in pointing out the obvious to people who don't care about it to being with.

I don't know who "LD" is but in fact, no "this stuff" has not been disputed.

Unless, that is, you count Mittens' constant flip flops and Ryan's lies.

Face it - you don't have a leg to stand on.

But take heart. Its pretty likely that RobMe and LyanRyan will have whole new set of "positions" in a few days.

Just did it asswipe. Can't you read.

Point 9...Bush's stimulus was a tax cut and it worked. Obama's was a bust.

End of story.

You're almost correct.

President Obama gave tax cuts to individuals as well as small businesses. he has also proposed tax cuts for any business who brings their business back to the US and hires US citizens.

 

[blastoff]

It's the costs of the Nanny State that are killing us. A whole bunch of cuts have to be made in various places in order for us to survive as the kind of country we've been or we'll end up like Spain, Greece, etc. down the road.

Lefty idiots either don't get it or are perfectly content for an American future unlike anything we've known.

Don't forget to vote!

 

[g5000]

This is too easy.

I'll take the first one:

1. Romney and Ryan would eliminate health care for 31 million people who are poor or disabled. Medicaid, which helps poor Americans, some seniors, and children afford health care, is right in the crosshairs of Paul Ryan’s House budget. He proposed cutting $1.4 trillion from the program, a move that would kick about 11 million people off Medicaid over the course of ten years. The Romney-Ryan plan is even worse, and is estimated to force about 44 million people off the program.

The GOP plan is to reform the budget busting Medicaid by providing block grants to the states and let them decide how best to manage their Medicaid plans. This will realize a savings of $1.8 trillion over 10 years.

An experimental version of this plan is already in effect and succeeding so well that even some blue states are asking to be allowed to participate.

See this video, starting around the 35 minute mark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=94EZIa9P0-w#


Next!

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[Leweman]

I don't know who "LD" is but in fact, no "this stuff" has not been disputed.

Unless, that is, you count Mittens' constant flip flops and Ryan's lies.

Face it - you don't have a leg to stand on.

But take heart. Its pretty likely that RobMe and LyanRyan will have whole new set of "positions" in a few days.

Just did it asswipe. Can't you read.

Point 9...Bush's stimulus was a tax cut and it worked. Obama's was a bust.

End of story.

You're almost correct.

President Obama gave tax cuts to individuals as well as small businesses. he has also proposed tax cuts for any business who brings their business back to the US and hires US citizens.

So basically he would be punishing those businesses who never went overseas in the first place?

 

[Darkwind]

What Everyone Needs To Know Before Watching The VP Debate | ThinkProgress


By Annie-Rose Strasser on Oct 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm

1. Romney and Ryan would eliminate health care for 31 million people who are poor or disabled. Medicaid, which helps poor Americans, some seniors, and children afford health care, is right in the crosshairs of Paul Ryan’s House budget. He proposed cutting $1.4 trillion from the program, a move that would kick about 11 million people off Medicaid over the course of ten years. The Romney-Ryan plan is even worse, and is estimated to force about 44 million people off the program.

2. Ryan considers Social Security a “Ponzi Scheme.” In the Fall of 2011, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) called Social Security a “Ponzi scheme,” and Paul Ryan agreed. Ryan wants to privatize the program.

3. 62% of Ryan’s budget cuts come from programs that benefit low-income Americans. Ryan’s budget proposes “$5.3 trillion in nondefense budget cuts.” 62 percent of the reductions would come from programs that specifically help low-income Americans:

4. Ryan voted for future defense cuts he now blames on Obama. Though Ryan claims Obama somehow orchestrated the sequester, a series of across-the-board spending cuts triggered if Congress can’t produce a better plan, the VP pick himself was a supporter of the mechanism. Not only did he vote for legislation to establish it, he peddled the plan to his Republican colleagues and proposed a similar initiative in 2004.

5. Ryan and Romney cannot cut taxes across the board by 20% and lower the deficit because it’s mathematically impossible. Ryan claims they will achieve these twin goals by closing loopholes and getting rid of deductions for the rich. But, as the Tax Policy Center points out, even if they got rid of every single deduction and loophole, they would still need to find more revenue. That means they’d need to start raising taxes on the middle class.

6. Ryan voted to increase the debt ceiling by $4 trillion under Bush. During the Bush years alone, Ryan voted with his party’s leadership to increase the debt ceiling by $4 trillion. In total, he has voted six times to raise the debt ceiling, increasing it by $5.8 trillion.

7. Ryan wants to kick 1 million students off of Pell Grants. As part of his budget, Ryan proposed cutting Pell Grants for nearly 1 million college students. Seventy four percent of Pell Grant recipients in 2011 came from families with incomes of $30,000 or less. There is no evidence that these cuts will curb rising college costs.

8. Ryan’s budget included the same $716 billion in Medicare savings included in Obamacare. The $716 billion that Obamacare takes out of Medicare will almost definitely come up in tomorrow’s debate. Ryan has claimed that Obama “raided” Medicare to pay for his health care reform. In fact, Ryan wants to make Medicare a voucher program and proposed taking the same cuts out of Medicare in his budget. But whereas Obamacare uses those funds to eliminate fraud and increase efficiency, Ryan proposed taking that money to pay down the deficit.

9. Ryan supported economic stimulus under Bush. If he’s going to follow the lead of his running mate, Ryan will invoke Obama’s stimulus plan, the Recovery Act, as failed legislation that wasted taxpayer money. But when George Bush was president, Ryan was supportive of a stimulus, and actually made a rousing case for infusing the economy with money, saying that it helped create jobs. Watch it:

Paul Ryan caught red-handed Supported Stimulus When George W. Bush Proposed It - YouTube

10. Ryan used to supports a key aspect of Obamacare. Ryan will likely say at the debate that the Affordable Care Act is government overreach. In fact, he might even invoke “death panels,” as he has done at recent town halls. But Ryan proposed something extremely similar to these so-called “death panels” in 2009 — twice. In December of 2010, Ryan also asked the Department of Health and Human Services for an Obamacare health care grant “for the Kenosha Community Health Center, Inc to develop a new facility in Racine, Wisconsin, an area within Ryan’s district.”

11. Ryan opposes abortion access for rape victims. When it comes to abortion rights, Ryan is among the most extreme anti-abortion members of Congress. He believes rape victims shouldn’t have access to abortions and co-sponsored a “personhood” amendment that would have defined a fertilized egg as a human, thus outlawing not just abortion but also in-vitro fertilization and some forms of contraception.

12. Ryan supports a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. Ryan is vehemently opposed to marriage equality for same-sex couples. He has twice voted to amend the constitution to that effect, supported a same-sex marriage ban in his home state, and claimed that preventing same-sex couples from getting married was a “universal human value.”

The only thing I need to bring is My own intellect and ability to think critically.

Which this post has failed to do. regurgitate much?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

You liberals are your own worst enemy but too STOOPID to know it.

Obama and his zombie nitwits have spent the entire campaign defiing Mitt Romney.. UNFILTERED in a debate forum, Mitt Romney changes that narrative by showing who he really is. Liberals pushed a lie, a narrative that voters saw through and continue to see through.. Keep on.. We're less than 4 wks away to MORNING IN AMERICA AGAIN!!

 

[Publius1787]

What Everyone Needs To Know Before Watching The VP Debate | ThinkProgress


By Annie-Rose Strasser on Oct 10, 2012 at 4:23 pm

1. Romney and Ryan would eliminate health care for 31 million people who are poor or disabled. Medicaid, which helps poor Americans, some seniors, and children afford health care, is right in the crosshairs of Paul Ryan’s House budget. He proposed cutting $1.4 trillion from the program, a move that would kick about 11 million people off Medicaid over the course of ten years. The Romney-Ryan plan is even worse, and is estimated to force about 44 million people off the program.

2. Ryan considers Social Security a “Ponzi Scheme.” In the Fall of 2011, Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) called Social Security a “Ponzi scheme,” and Paul Ryan agreed. Ryan wants to privatize the program.

3. 62% of Ryan’s budget cuts come from programs that benefit low-income Americans. Ryan’s budget proposes “$5.3 trillion in nondefense budget cuts.” 62 percent of the reductions would come from programs that specifically help low-income Americans:

4. Ryan voted for future defense cuts he now blames on Obama. Though Ryan claims Obama somehow orchestrated the sequester, a series of across-the-board spending cuts triggered if Congress can’t produce a better plan, the VP pick himself was a supporter of the mechanism. Not only did he vote for legislation to establish it, he peddled the plan to his Republican colleagues and proposed a similar initiative in 2004.

5. Ryan and Romney cannot cut taxes across the board by 20% and lower the deficit because it’s mathematically impossible. Ryan claims they will achieve these twin goals by closing loopholes and getting rid of deductions for the rich. But, as the Tax Policy Center points out, even if they got rid of every single deduction and loophole, they would still need to find more revenue. That means they’d need to start raising taxes on the middle class.

6. Ryan voted to increase the debt ceiling by $4 trillion under Bush. During the Bush years alone, Ryan voted with his party’s leadership to increase the debt ceiling by $4 trillion. In total, he has voted six times to raise the debt ceiling, increasing it by $5.8 trillion.

7. Ryan wants to kick 1 million students off of Pell Grants. As part of his budget, Ryan proposed cutting Pell Grants for nearly 1 million college students. Seventy four percent of Pell Grant recipients in 2011 came from families with incomes of $30,000 or less. There is no evidence that these cuts will curb rising college costs.

8. Ryan’s budget included the same $716 billion in Medicare savings included in Obamacare. The $716 billion that Obamacare takes out of Medicare will almost definitely come up in tomorrow’s debate. Ryan has claimed that Obama “raided” Medicare to pay for his health care reform. In fact, Ryan wants to make Medicare a voucher program and proposed taking the same cuts out of Medicare in his budget. But whereas Obamacare uses those funds to eliminate fraud and increase efficiency, Ryan proposed taking that money to pay down the deficit.

9. Ryan supported economic stimulus under Bush. If he’s going to follow the lead of his running mate, Ryan will invoke Obama’s stimulus plan, the Recovery Act, as failed legislation that wasted taxpayer money. But when George Bush was president, Ryan was supportive of a stimulus, and actually made a rousing case for infusing the economy with money, saying that it helped create jobs. Watch it:

Paul Ryan caught red-handed Supported Stimulus When George W. Bush Proposed It - YouTube

10. Ryan used to supports a key aspect of Obamacare. Ryan will likely say at the debate that the Affordable Care Act is government overreach. In fact, he might even invoke “death panels,” as he has done at recent town halls. But Ryan proposed something extremely similar to these so-called “death panels” in 2009 — twice. In December of 2010, Ryan also asked the Department of Health and Human Services for an Obamacare health care grant “for the Kenosha Community Health Center, Inc to develop a new facility in Racine, Wisconsin, an area within Ryan’s district.”

11. Ryan opposes abortion access for rape victims. When it comes to abortion rights, Ryan is among the most extreme anti-abortion members of Congress. He believes rape victims shouldn’t have access to abortions and co-sponsored a “personhood” amendment that would have defined a fertilized egg as a human, thus outlawing not just abortion but also in-vitro fertilization and some forms of contraception.

12. Ryan supports a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage. Ryan is vehemently opposed to marriage equality for same-sex couples. He has twice voted to amend the constitution to that effect, supported a same-sex marriage ban in his home state, and claimed that preventing same-sex couples from getting married was a “universal human value.”

I will make you and every other lib here a deal. I wont quote or cite the homeless mentally disabled man down the street with the tin foil hat on his head if you wont quote his equal in intellectual honesty, think progress.