Discussion in 'Clean Debate Zone' started by Toronado3800, Aug 15, 2017.
I don't say this often to people but you really are old and inthe way.
Try a RobinWilliams.
All white hate groups love Trump unconditionally. They consider him a ally. When he said MAGA they correctly heard MAKE AMERICAWHITE AGAIN.
Excuse me? Perhaps David Duke's remarks at the "Unite the Right" rally escaped you?
We are determined to take our country back,” Duke said from the rally, calling it a “turning point.” “We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That’s what we believed in. That’s why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he’s going to take our country back." (Source)
Yes, the members of hate groups vote.
Hiding under a hood doesn't strike me as a courageous thing to do, and by the same token, neither does having the sorts of fears white supremacists do. See chapter 22 here.
"If any real lynching's going to be done it will be done in the dark, Southern fashion."
-- Mark Twain, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
"That's all they're out to do is intimidate people. And they do it quite well. If you can't see a person's face, how do you know it's not your neighbor?"
-- Former KKK member
The white lunatic fringe don't care what party succors their ideology. At one time, they found comfort among the Democratic party; now they find it in the GOP's leader.
Because he's got a long track record of practicing racial discrimination and refraining from quickly, resoundingly and consistently condemning white supremacists and, white nationalists.
When did he denounce the voting approbation of white supremacists? Only after he'd won the election.
When did he condemn the white supremacy that fomented "Charlottesville" this past weekend? Some 48 hours after the weekend-long rally was all but over.
Because having established the unreliability of his words, Trump's actions speak louder and more honestly than do his words.
Andrew Anglin, editor of the neo-Nazi and white supremacist site Daily Stormer, noted, "When reporters were screaming at him about White Nationalism he just walked out of the room."
Because he condemns the violence but not the white supremacist ideology, the mindset, that foments it.
Because he is careful not to condemn them in earnest, instead uttering words of condemnation and then following them with various forms of "winks and nods" that temper his words, making them nothing but lip-service. Even white nationalists and white supremacists recognize the nature of Trump's remarks for what they are, insincere, and thus pay them no mind.
White nationalist Richard Spencer recognized the emptiness of Trump's "condemnation," saying, "It sounded so hollow and vapid. I just don’t take it seriously."
Nathan Damigo called Trump's statement "vague" and "ambiguous."
Even as Trump did issue the condemnation, the fact is that he did so begrudgingly after all but having been begged to do so by advisors and other political leaders rather than because making it struck him, in its own right, as the right thing to do. He uttered the condemnation for the sake of his legislative agenda.
Because he does things to ease their burden...To wit, this past May, Trump froze some $10M in grants destined for groups -- local governments, city police departments, universities and non-profit organisations -- fighting violent extremism.
Wow! Your alleged experience means it must be true all over!
Just because David Duke says it doesn't make it true. You believe a member of the KKK because you want to believe him. That doesn't make it so.
I believe David Duke regarding his assertions about the behavior of white supremacists because he was the leader of what is arguably the most widespread and well known white supremacist group in the U.S. Thus, to the extent he's speaking about what such people, in general think and do, he's credible. That doesn't make him credible on everything -- credibility in one area does not grant one credibility in all areas...an economist is not credible on quantum physics, for instance -- but it makes him credible on that particular topic. That is why I believe him.
See the exception noted here: Appeal to Authority
Separate names with a comma.