What Does this Nobel Prize Mean?

[PubliusInfinitum]

What this 'Prize'amounts to is the same PC nonsense that is expressed by giving trophies to every Little League player.

It reduces the value of the prize to zero... And is tantamount to giving every college FB player a Heisman trophy; It mocks excellence and discredits those who advance it, as well as those that receive it.

 

[nodoginnafight]

That strength is a false premise, thus it does not exist... as America doesn't engage in that which you've described.

To suggest that the U.S. has not previously engaged in international bullyism is simply self-delusion. I love my country very much and I feel very blessed to have been born in this place and at this time. I'm proud of my country and our contributions. My pride is not contigent, however, on deluding myself into believing we have always conducted ourselves perfectly. If you can't love your country - warts and all - then you really can't honestly love your country.

Friendships which exist in spades, around the world; and have existed unabated throughout the US GWOT... and this without regard to the myths created by idiots such as yourself, to advance these little specious leftist screeds.

More self-delusion. Let's look at one specific example. While George Bush conducted the war in Afghanistan, he was unable to negotiate transport or passage of U.S. assets through Russia or Russian airspace because of his blustering and bullying and cold war approach to Russia.
In July Obama secured a transport agreement with the Russians which assists our efforts to pursue a lasting peace and security through our efforts in Afghanistan.
Just one example of how restoring our international friendships HELPS the United States be a safer and more secure place.

This award is a just one more step and one more manifestation of how these friendships have been reinvigorated. You can try to deny it because it is an embarassment to your own ideology until you are blue in the face. You can conjure up all the fantasies you like to try to contradict the obvious - doesn't matter. With you or without you, the United States is going to continue to repair damage and continue to strive toward being a safer and more secure nation.
The fact that you put political ideology ahead of these goals is disappointing, but not crippling. We will succeed.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Hard to believe that some folks here are disappointed that our road to safety and security has become a little bit easier - but it does reveal a lot about these posters.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hard to believe that some folks here are disappointed that our road to safety and security has become a little bit easier - but it does reveal a lot about these posters.

Ah yes the fallacy of good intentions.
Obama's foreign policy is meant to make us safer. His economic policies are meant to make us more prosperous.
Unfortunately reality will come along and mug him, revealing that intentions are pretty well worthless.
The truth is the opposite: his foreign policy programs will make us less safe. His domestic policies will make us less prosperous. There can't be much question on this from anyone over about age 12.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

That strength is a false premise, thus it does not exist... as America doesn't engage in that which you've described.

To suggest that the U.S. has not previously engaged in international bullyism is simply self-delusion.

Absolutely false... All you're doing is confusing responsibility with culpability... The US GWOT is not bullying, it is the defense of the Human Rights which were usurped 3000 times by those who the US is kicking the hell out of... What you claim to be bullying is the consequences of attacking a free people, with the means to destroy you. Let the word ring out: Fuck with us and we'll kick your ass around the world and back. And that goes for those who don't like it, as well...

I love my country very much and I feel very blessed to have been born in this place and at this time. I'm proud of my country and our contributions. My pride is not contigent, however, on deluding myself into believing we have always conducted ourselves perfectly. If you can't love your country - warts and all - then you really can't honestly love your country.

Well, no one has operated on perfection in 2009 years... and then only one is known to have pulled it off. So, you'll just have to pardon us all to hell for screwin' it up here and there... But it should be noted that where one wants to avoid an imperfect, but nonetheless thorough ass beating: don't poke the bear.

Your assertion implies a level of perfection exists elsewhere, amongst others; who have recently come to disrespect the US for our 8 years of imperfection which were exercised during the Bush administration... Bad news there... there's varying degrees of imperfection; and there are none so far from perfection as the panty-waste Socialist who never cease the appeal to appeasement of those who attack America and I am one American that could not POSSIBLY care LESS what any Socialist, 'feels' about anything.

If the entire world were Socialist except for myself... the only sentiment that I'd offer would be a resounding "FUCK YOU" to all of you idiots.

Friendships which exist in spades, around the world; and have existed unabated throughout the US GWOT... and this without regard to the myths created by idiots such as yourself, to advance these little specious leftist screeds.

More self-delusion.

Indeed... and it's all yours Sis.

Let's look at one specific example.

Oh good... Let's...

While George Bush conducted the war in Afghanistan, he was unable to negotiate transport or passage of U.S. assets through Russia or Russian airspace because of his blustering and bullying and cold war approach to Russia.
In July Obama secured a transport agreement with the Russians which assists our efforts to pursue a lasting peace and security through our efforts in Afghanistan.
Just one example of how restoring our international friendships HELPS the United States be a safer and more secure place.

Yeah... and all he had to do was scrap the missile defense system and promise to scrap the US nuclear program. SUCH A DEAL!

Now here's the thing about that... If we needed that airspace, we'd just take it. And dare the Russians to come up and try and stop us. But of course, we don't really need that airspace and so we just go around. That's the beautiful thing about airspace... there's a shit load of it and it's every-freakin' where.

Now I say that from my experience as a licensed pilot... there are times where I'll go from point A and would LOVE to go directly to point B, but there might be some restrictions on the interim airspace... so, when faced with these challenges, I, along with my fellow pilots, GO AROUND... takes a little longer, sucks up a little more fuel; but that's life.

Now if there was some way to negotiate for the means to pass directly through that restricted space, I'd be prepared to consider the offer... but I wouldn't trade me wings or my engine for permission to do so... we call that a 'poor bargain'. Which is what those who suffer a greater imperfection are subject to making.

This award is a just one more step and one more manifestation of how these friendships have been reinvigorated.

ROFL... This award is a joke... It is meaningless claptrap... it serves absolutely no purpose beyond advancing insipid PC tomes of socialist idiocy; as well as sealing the lid on any value that a 'Nobel Prize' may represent.

As stated earlier... the Noble Prize is today, what the Heisman Trophy would be on the day when such was awarded to every College Football player 'towards encouraging every athlete to strive for athletic excellence.' This in contrast to the Heisman Trophies which were awarded to standout athletes, who were operating at the highest levels of collegiate athleticism; the awarding of which is beyond tangible value.

 

[Big Black Dog]

What Does this Nobel Prize Mean?

A Nobel Peace Prize and 99 cents will get you an order of frys at McDonald's. It apparently isn't worth much more than that these days.

 

[rightwinger]

What Does this Nobel Prize Mean?

A Nobel Peace Prize and 99 cents will get you an order of frys at McDonald's. It apparently isn't worth much more than that these days.

Coming from those who do not have one

Sour grapes anyone????

 

[wethepeople]

Obamaloonies rejoice that malcolm x jr steals the prize!!! He needs that 1.4 million bucks to keep his pretend wife mitch in shrimp!! Lol what a fucking joke!!

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yeah... and all he had to do was scrap the missile defense system and promise to scrap the US nuclear program. SUCH A DEAL!

Yet again your assessment is based on fantasy. Obama negotiated the Transit agreement in July. The Missile defense system was abandoned in September. That pretty much exposes the rest of your following arguments - all based on that fatally-flawed theory of a quid pro quo - as pure nonesense and empty blathering.

Your knowledge is lacking, your assessments pure fantasy.

What I offered were facts, evidence, and sound logic - all you could muster up were demonstrated falsehoods and fantasy.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

What Does this Nobel Prize Mean?

A Nobel Peace Prize and 99 cents will get you an order of frys at McDonald's. It apparently isn't worth much more than that these days.

Coming from those who do not have one

Sour grapes anyone????

Well, I've actually got a coupon for A free coffee at McDonalds... which would as a result be of exponentially greater value, as a prize... than that of the nobel.

Now what's interesting here, is the cash value which is paid to the Nobel recipient...

Such brings to mind that the Socialists of the Nobel Committee have actually paid the President of the United States a cash payment, of well in excess of one million dollars; and did so openly stating their desire that he should accept such as an their encouragement for him to use his sacred authority as the President of the United States to direct US policy towards the socialist agenda.

LOL... I am telling you that it is becoming PAINFULLY clear that this idiot will be lucky to finish his only term without being impeached.

If he accepts that money... he's toast.

 

[Rozman]

I think by awarding the President the Nobel Peace Prize they pretty much confirmed the fact that the world thinks this guy is weak on foreign affairs....Which is exactly what they want in a leader of the United States.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Gotta fly - thanks to all who have helped keep this thread alive. It has been illuminating and fun.
Have a great weekend all

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Yeah... and all he had to do was scrap the missile defense system and promise to scrap the US nuclear program. SUCH A DEAL!

Yet again your assessment is based on fantasy. Obama negotiated the Transit agreement in July. The Missile defense system was abandoned in September. That pretty much exposes the rest of your following arguments - all based on that fatally-flawed theory of a quid pro quo - as pure nonesense and empty blathering.

Your knowledge is lacking, your assessments pure fantasy.

What I offered were facts, evidence, and sound logic - all you could muster up were demonstrated falsehoods and fantasy.

ROFLMNAO... Oh GOD! Now that's precious...

So... you're saying that there's no means for an arrangement made at point X... to be correlated to those made at point Y?

Well that's fascinating... the only problem is that you're an imbecile and there is no END to the means of the two deals to be tied directly together.

Now the reasoning which suggest it was...

THERE'S NO OTHER REASON.

Hussein has capitulated to the Russian communists and in the process sold out the best interests of the United States... That such was traded for a promise to allow fly-over privilege is more PATHETIC than hilarious, and it is HE-FREAKIN'-LARIOUS!

 

[nodoginnafight]

And YOU are suggesting that the Russians would act first and wait three months for a reciprocal? Oh that's just precious

You cite evidence you don't produce fantasizing it to be "common knowledge" and condescend to the person who HAS produced evidence and facts rather than pompous opinion and fantasy.....

Seriously ... is that REALLY the best you can do.

Can't you produce one itty bitty piece of evidence to support your fantasies????
C'mon - just ONE???????

 

[nodoginnafight]

The often sidetepped but as yet unrefuted and unchallenged point remains:

This award is a boost to U.S. efforts to gain international cooperation toward achieveing our goals of a safer and more secure nation and a safer and more secure world.

Those who cannot rise above their own personal bias and ideology to appreciate that are clearly placing their own ideology above the best interests of our nation. I suspected as much from SOME posters I've encountered here, but I will confess that I am surprised and disappointed to see it from some of the others.

 

[Douger]

What it means...o Chile of no chillunz B leff behineNchit, is that the movie is over.
The credits are running.
You gonna stay or go ?
I already went......

 

[rightwinger]

The often sidetepped but as yet unrefuted and unchallenged point remains:

This award is a boost to U.S. efforts to gain international cooperation toward achieveing our goals of a safer and more secure nation and a safer and more secure world.

Those who cannot rise above their own personal bias and ideology to appreciate that are clearly placing their own ideology above the best interests of our nation. I suspected as much from SOME posters I've encountered here, but I will confess that I am surprised and disappointed to see it from some of the others.

Good point...

Those who pray for Obama to fail will not even budge to concur that this is a major help to the international reputation of the Whole Country

 

[Avatar4321]

So many on this board seem to believe that America is "stronger" when we bully and bluster our way around the globe demanding our way at the point of a sword. But that "strength" is not strength at all. Because no matter how superior our military might - we could not stand alone against the entire world.

Our strength lies in our military might COUPLED with our friendships around the world. You can't live at peace with ONLY friendships and you can't live at peace with JUST military might. If you put all of your eggs in just one of these baskets, you will fail.

The fact that I value friendships as well as a potent military means I value a strong and secure America. Anyone who can't support BOTH - does not.

THAT is why people who do love America and who DO favor a strong and secure America should realize that what this award really means is that we are making good progress on at least 50% of the goal. No more - no less.

We hope we can be every bit as successful with the other 50% as well.

I know that it is to much to ask of the hyper-partisan zealots who appear to live and breathe for the sole purpose of tearing down Obama at any cost (even at the cost of our national security) to acknowledge this obvious truth. That's OK, keep whining about what a disgrace this award is and how it wasn't earned and hope and pray that you can convince yourself or others of the validity of your arguments. But do it secure in the knowledge that America is safer and more secure - in part - because of the international goodwill this award represents.

Um... we were never at any point standing alone against the world. It's an insult to every one of our 50+ allies who have helped us in the war terror to pretend otherwise.

I am just astounded how betraying our allies in favor of appeasement can be considered a good thing. How does that strengthen our friends in the world? They now know the second things get tough we wont stick with them. Yeah im sure they love that. That's really going to make the world more peaceful.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Um... we were never at any point standing alone against the world. It's an insult to every one of our 50+ allies who have helped us in the war terror to pretend otherwise.

I am just astounded how betraying our allies in favor of appeasement can be considered a good thing. How does that strengthen our friends in the world? They now know the second things get tough we wont stick with them. Yeah im sure they love that. That's really going to make the world more peaceful.

By the time Bush left office - he couldn't put together an international coalition to help a little old lady across the street. Pretending that isn't true doesn't foster good relations.

In the wake of 9/11 Bush had unprecedented support at home and abroad. He squandered that and wound up with the lowest exit approval rating ever at home and absolutely no credibility or support abroad. He accomplished this by waging the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time and by bullying and blustering his way around the world demanding compliance at gun-point.

Obama has started to repair that damage. And that Helps keep America safer and more secure. It's only a part of the formula - we also need to maintain a strong military and a strong intelligence network.

But rebuilding international friendships IS an important part of the total package.

 

[manu1959]

So many on this board seem to believe that America is "stronger" when we bully and bluster our way around the globe demanding our way at the point of a sword. But that "strength" is not strength at all. Because no matter how superior our military might - we could not stand alone against the entire world.

interesting therory that we require allies to stand alone against the world....

who are china's allies?

russias?

why does one need to take on the world at all much less have allies.....