What does the Right stand for?

[HUGGY]

I believe I know what they oppose:
No to Federal regulations;
No to gun controls;
No to taxes;
No to abortion;
No to gay/lesbian marriage;
No to single payer universal health care
No to stem cell research;
No to deficit spending;
No to campaign finance restrictions
No to sex education at any age;
No to welfare;
No to Medicare;
No to Social Security;
No to the Democratic Party;
No to the Republican Party.

If this is an accuate description of the new right, what do they support? And, what would our society look like if they prevailed?

The right does not OPPOSE reasonable needed AUTHORIZED Federal Regulation. Never has.

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.

The right is not opposed to saving the mothers life when in danger even if that means aborting a child. They do oppose abortion on demand and on a whim.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.

Universal health care is not a power of the Government, YOU want it? Pass an amendment to the Constitution.

The right opposes the creation of a market for murdering babies to "save" others.

The right opposes deficit spending but will do it as required. What they won't do is create new SOCIAL programs when there is no money for them and no legal grounds for the Federal Government to run them.

The right is not opposed to REASONABLE laws on campaign contributions, laws that do not violate the 1st amendment.

The right is NOT opposed to sex education, they just happen to believe that is the responsibility of the family not the schools. Or the Government, especially when all the schools do is pass out condoms and birth control with the clear message that sex is ok at any age.

The right does not oppose welfare, they just do not believe the Federal Government has any legal right to run it. It is a State responsibility and that of each citizen through private works.

Medicare is Unconstitutional. You want Medicare? Pass an amendment authorizing the Government to run health care.

Social Security is not Constitutional. The States can run such programs if they want. Again you want Social Security, PASS an amendment for it.

The right is not opposed to any political party existing, they would prefer that they6 run things rather then some party that does not support their core beliefs.

100% bullshit.

 

[rdean]

I believe I know what they oppose:
No to Federal regulations;
No to gun controls;
No to taxes;
No to abortion;
No to gay/lesbian marriage;
No to single payer universal health care
No to stem cell research;
No to deficit spending;
No to campaign finance restrictions
No to sex education at any age;
No to welfare;
No to Medicare;
No to Social Security;
No to the Democratic Party;
No to the Republican Party.

If this is an accuate description of the new right, what do they support? And, what would our society look like if they prevailed?

The right does not OPPOSE reasonable needed AUTHORIZED Federal Regulation. Never has.

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.

The right is not opposed to saving the mothers life when in danger even if that means aborting a child. They do oppose abortion on demand and on a whim.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.

Universal health care is not a power of the Government, YOU want it? Pass an amendment to the Constitution.

The right opposes the creation of a market for murdering babies to "save" others.

The right opposes deficit spending but will do it as required. What they won't do is create new SOCIAL programs when there is no money for them and no legal grounds for the Federal Government to run them.

The right is not opposed to REASONABLE laws on campaign contributions, laws that do not violate the 1st amendment.

The right is NOT opposed to sex education, they just happen to believe that is the responsibility of the family not the schools. Or the Government, especially when all the schools do is pass out condoms and birth control with the clear message that sex is ok at any age.

The right does not oppose welfare, they just do not believe the Federal Government has any legal right to run it. It is a State responsibility and that of each citizen through private works.

Medicare is Unconstitutional. You want Medicare? Pass an amendment authorizing the Government to run health care.

Social Security is not Constitutional. The States can run such programs if they want. Again you want Social Security, PASS an amendment for it.

The right is not opposed to any political party existing, they would prefer that they6 run things rather then some party that does not support their core beliefs.

The right does not OPPOSE reasonable needed AUTHORIZED Federal Regulation. Never has.

-------Except we can never agree on what is “reasonable”.

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.

-------The right considers any weapon that fires a projectile to be a “gun”. Does anyone really need a semi automatic anti tank assault rifle? Are they going “squirrel” hunting?

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.

---------Does that mean no Medicare and no Social Security? How small can you be to run the military? What are they so afraid of anyway?

The right is not opposed to saving the mothers life when in danger even if that means aborting a child. They do oppose abortion on demand and on a whim.

----------There is the problem. Abortion on a “whim”? That’s an accusation and a disgusting one. How come the right is so anti abortion, but don’t want to be bothered helping those children that weren’t aborted?

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.

------Who said that? Besides, the only support from many on the right would be to execute the gays.

Universal health care is not a power of the Government, YOU want it? Pass an amendment to the Constitution.

---------Sounds very Christian. Lucky we have the money to start more wars.

The right opposes the creation of a market for murdering babies to "save" others.

----------As opposed to just flushing away the frozen eggs. Why do something good?

The right opposes deficit spending but will do it as required. What they won't do is create new SOCIAL programs when there is no money for them and no legal grounds for the Federal Government to run them.

--------70,000 bridges are rated unsafe. It wasn’t that long ago a bridge in Minnesota fell down during rush hour killing many people. The right opposes spending money on America’s infrastructure.

The right is not opposed to REASONABLE laws on campaign contributions, laws that do not violate the 1st amendment.

----------Define reasonable? Besides, the right gets most of its money from big business. During the last election, Obama got the bulk of his money from the average citizen paying a hundred bucks or less.

The right is NOT opposed to sex education, they just happen to believe that is the responsibility of the family not the schools. Or the Government, especially when all the schools do is pass out condoms and birth control with the clear message that sex is ok at any age.

---------How is don’t get a disease a clear message to go out and have sex? This is why the right has such a high VD and birth rate. If it doesn’t work, fix it. Don’t stand on “principle” while playing God with children’s lives. The children should come first.

The right does not oppose welfare, they just do not believe the Federal Government has any legal right to run it. It is a State responsibility and that of each citizen through private works.

----------Sounds good, won’t work.

Medicare is Unconstitutional. You want Medicare? Pass an amendment authorizing the Government to run health care.

----------Screw the old people?

Social Security is not Constitutional. The States can run such programs if they want. Again you want Social Security, PASS an amendment for it.

---------Screw the middle class?

The right is not opposed to any political party existing, they would prefer that they6 run things rather then some party that does not support their core beliefs.

----------That’s why we have elections. The right would prefer an Iranian type of government where the candidates are first screened by the clergy. Then they could declare the US a Christian nation and stop teaching heretic branches of “science”.

-----------The Republicans are intractable. They don’t believe in equal rights or staying out of peoples bedrooms. They want to legislate morality. They need to be constantly exposed for what they do and the damage they cause. 8 of the last 9 years are proof.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

Let's focus on the right while the left sold our nation out with TARP, porkulus bill, and now this healthcare sellout debachery.

Next is more rising taxation, and everything the "right" warned you was coming. But oh no, we were liars somehow.

F this thread, and the biased government worker who started it.

How about starting a thread and tell us what's changed? I thought Bush sucked, it's obvious the left loved him because they've maintained or exceeded his failures for almost a year now.

 

[rdean]

Let's focus on the right while the left sold our nation out with TARP, porkulus bill, and now this healthcare sellout debachery.

Next is more rising taxation, and everything the "right" warned you was coming. But oh no, we were liars somehow.

F this thread, and the biased government worker who started it.

How about starting a thread and tell us what's changed? I thought Bush sucked, it's obvious the left loved him because they've maintained or exceeded his failures for almost a year now.

What exactly is the problem with TARP? You know of course, that companies that borrowed the money are paying it back?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Let's focus on the right while the left sold our nation out with TARP, porkulus bill, and now this healthcare sellout debachery.

Next is more rising taxation, and everything the "right" warned you was coming. But oh no, we were liars somehow.

F this thread, and the biased government worker who started it.

How about starting a thread and tell us what's changed? I thought Bush sucked, it's obvious the left loved him because they've maintained or exceeded his failures for almost a year now.

TS, you are changing the subject (it's called a red herring) and your use of the 'word' "porkulus" tells me you're a ditto head (and that suggests you're a closed mind member of the far right. Debating with a ditto head is an absurdity.)

 

[Wry Catcher]

I believe I know what they oppose:
No to Federal regulations;
No to gun controls;
No to taxes;
No to abortion;
No to gay/lesbian marriage;
No to single payer universal health care
No to stem cell research;
No to deficit spending;
No to campaign finance restrictions
No to sex education at any age;
No to welfare;
No to Medicare;
No to Social Security;
No to the Democratic Party;
No to the Republican Party.

If this is an accuate description of the new right, what do they support? And, what would our society look like if they prevailed?

The right does not OPPOSE reasonable needed AUTHORIZED Federal Regulation. Never has.

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.

The right is not opposed to saving the mothers life when in danger even if that means aborting a child. They do oppose abortion on demand and on a whim.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.

Universal health care is not a power of the Government, YOU want it? Pass an amendment to the Constitution.

The right opposes the creation of a market for murdering babies to "save" others.

The right opposes deficit spending but will do it as required. What they won't do is create new SOCIAL programs when there is no money for them and no legal grounds for the Federal Government to run them.

The right is not opposed to REASONABLE laws on campaign contributions, laws that do not violate the 1st amendment.

The right is NOT opposed to sex education, they just happen to believe that is the responsibility of the family not the schools. Or the Government, especially when all the schools do is pass out condoms and birth control with the clear message that sex is ok at any age.

The right does not oppose welfare, they just do not believe the Federal Government has any legal right to run it. It is a State responsibility and that of each citizen through private works.

Medicare is Unconstitutional. You want Medicare? Pass an amendment authorizing the Government to run health care.

Social Security is not Constitutional. The States can run such programs if they want. Again you want Social Security, PASS an amendment for it.

The right is not opposed to any political party existing, they would prefer that they6 run things rather then some party that does not support their core beliefs.

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.:
Let's speak about 'reasonable' laws. IMHO the Brady Bill was a resonable restriction on firearms not needed by the general public to protect their person, family or home. Or the NRA opposition to any effort to restrict the ownership, possession, custody or control of a firearm by anyone but the most dangerous criminials - some misdemeanor offenders, such as those convicted of DUI or Drug Possession, Domestic Violence, child abuse, battery are protected by such policies.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.
"The Gays"? Do you know what each and every member of "The Gays" wants? And even if that premise were true - which I suspect it is not - you admit that the right supports laws which favor discrimination.

 

[HUGGY]

What does the Right stand for?


So they can have a better shot at your poop shooter when they bend you over.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The right does not OPPOSE reasonable needed AUTHORIZED Federal Regulation. Never has.

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.

The right is not opposed to saving the mothers life when in danger even if that means aborting a child. They do oppose abortion on demand and on a whim.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.

Universal health care is not a power of the Government, YOU want it? Pass an amendment to the Constitution.

The right opposes the creation of a market for murdering babies to "save" others.

The right opposes deficit spending but will do it as required. What they won't do is create new SOCIAL programs when there is no money for them and no legal grounds for the Federal Government to run them.

The right is not opposed to REASONABLE laws on campaign contributions, laws that do not violate the 1st amendment.

The right is NOT opposed to sex education, they just happen to believe that is the responsibility of the family not the schools. Or the Government, especially when all the schools do is pass out condoms and birth control with the clear message that sex is ok at any age.

The right does not oppose welfare, they just do not believe the Federal Government has any legal right to run it. It is a State responsibility and that of each citizen through private works.

Medicare is Unconstitutional. You want Medicare? Pass an amendment authorizing the Government to run health care.

Social Security is not Constitutional. The States can run such programs if they want. Again you want Social Security, PASS an amendment for it.

The right is not opposed to any political party existing, they would prefer that they6 run things rather then some party that does not support their core beliefs.

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.:
Let's speak about 'reasonable' laws. IMHO the Brady Bill was a resonable restriction on firearms not needed by the general public to protect their person, family or home. Or the NRA opposition to any effort to restrict the ownership, possession, custody or control of a firearm by anyone but the most dangerous criminials - some misdemeanor offenders, such as those convicted of DUI or Drug Possession, Domestic Violence, child abuse, battery are protected by such policies.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.
"The Gays"? Do you know what each and every member of "The Gays" wants? And even if that premise were true - which I suspect it is not - you admit that the right supports laws which favor discrimination.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.
This was asked before, so I simply repeat the question: What does "the right" propose be eliminated? And assuming government can be shrunk to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub (google "Starve the Beast" if you don't get the reference) what does "the right" propose those who lose their jobs do?

 

[DiamondDave]

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.:
Let's speak about 'reasonable' laws. IMHO the Brady Bill was a resonable restriction on firearms not needed by the general public to protect their person, family or home. Or the NRA opposition to any effort to restrict the ownership, possession, custody or control of a firearm by anyone but the most dangerous criminials - some misdemeanor offenders, such as those convicted of DUI or Drug Possession, Domestic Violence, child abuse, battery are protected by such policies.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.
"The Gays"? Do you know what each and every member of "The Gays" wants? And even if that premise were true - which I suspect it is not - you admit that the right supports laws which favor discrimination.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.
This was asked before, so I simply repeat the question: What does "the right" propose be eliminated? And assuming government can be shrunk to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub (google "Starve the Beast" if you don't get the reference) what does "the right" propose those who lose their jobs do?

Let's just do a quick starter list

Administration for Native Americans
Administrative Committee of the Federal Register
African Development Foundation
Agency for International Development
Agricultural Marketing Service
Alabama Home Page
Alabama State, County, and City Websites
Alaska Home Page
Alaska State, County, and City Websites
American Samoa Home Page
Appalachian Regional Commission
Arctic Research Commission
Arizona Home Page
Arizona State, County, and City Websites
Arkansas Home Page
Arkansas State, County, and City Websites
Arms Control and International Security
Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee
Barry M. Goldwater Scholarship and Excellence in Education Foundation
Bonneville Power Administration
Botanic Garden
Broadcasting Board of Governors (Voice of America, Radio|TV Marti and more)
Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of International Labor Affairs


Want me to go into the C's and beyond?

And we have not even touched all the pork, entitlements, corporate and personal welfare, etc

As for jobs.. your job and your employment and your earning and your well being are your responsibility... when the government stops doing things and some people wish to benefit from a service that is canceled, it is amazing how someone will start a business to make profit, and it is funny how businesses need to hire people to do jobs... and if it is not something that is wanted or worthwhile as a business, guess there was not much need for the government to be doing it ANYWAY, now was there?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The right does not oppose reasonable laws on gun ownership, never has.:
Let's speak about 'reasonable' laws. IMHO the Brady Bill was a resonable restriction on firearms not needed by the general public to protect their person, family or home. Or the NRA opposition to any effort to restrict the ownership, possession, custody or control of a firearm by anyone but the most dangerous criminials - some misdemeanor offenders, such as those convicted of DUI or Drug Possession, Domestic Violence, child abuse, battery are protected by such policies.

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.
"The Gays"? Do you know what each and every member of "The Gays" wants? And even if that premise were true - which I suspect it is not - you admit that the right supports laws which favor discrimination.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.
This was asked before, so I simply repeat the question: What does "the right" propose be eliminated? And assuming government can be shrunk to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub (google "Starve the Beast" if you don't get the reference) what does "the right" propose those who lose their jobs do?

I would eliminate Medicare, Social Security, All social programs at the Federal level, All Education programs at the Federal level. All Housing programs. I would cut Congressional Staff and support personnel to no more than 4 per member of Congress with a top salary of 90k. I would eliminate the ability of Congress to fly anywhere they want without first justifying the trip with a specific power of their branch of Government and a specific need for them to do the trip. I would limit Congress to a total of 200 days in session a year. With additional time approved only by a majority vote and authorized by the Executive. Such an action being required to be posted for the PEOPLE to see the justification. I would require all travel during the 90 days preceding an election be justified in writing ahead of time and be public knowledge for the people to see why the member of Congress is using Government funds to move during an election cycle.

I would go line by line through the Federal Budget and eliminate any program not directly authorized by the LISTED powers of the Constitution.

I would require that all special programs added to bills that benefit one or more Congressmen or Senators be public knowledge and be means tested to verify they were with in the guidelines of the taxing powers of the Congress as specified in the Constitution. Money can not be spent except for the welfare of the Country and taxes can not be collected except for the use and payment of programs and powers directly authorized by the Constitution for the welfare of all the Country.

I would submit an amendment to the US Constitution requiring that all BILLS in both houses MUST have attached to them the specific section and power granted to Congress by the Constitution that authorizes the bill's consideration for passage. I would push for a rules change in the House and the Senate that required all bills up for vote be published in a manner that the General public has 72 hours to read them before any vote can be taken.

 

[Titanic Sailor]

I wonder if a government worker ditto head can explain to anyone here when a government by the "right" has ever been in power in the last century?



Good luck.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I wonder if a government worker ditto head can explain to anyone here when a government by the "right" has ever been in power in the last century?



Good luck.

We have had conservative administrations and the Republcans have controlled the Senate and the House (all at the same time, on occassion) but we've never had a far right government thanks to the fact that the majority of American voters are moderate, pragmatic and reject extremism.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.
"The Gays"? Do you know what each and every member of "The Gays" wants? And even if that premise were true - which I suspect it is not - you admit that the right supports laws which favor discrimination.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.
This was asked before, so I simply repeat the question: What does "the right" propose be eliminated? And assuming government can be shrunk to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub (google "Starve the Beast" if you don't get the reference) what does "the right" propose those who lose their jobs do?

Let's just do a quick starter list

Administration for Native Americans
Administrative Committee of the Federal Register
African Development Foundation
Agency for International Development
Agricultural Marketing Service
Alabama Home Page
Alabama State, County, and City Websites
Alaska Home Page
Alaska State, County, and City Websites
American Samoa Home Page
Appalachian Regional Commission
Arctic Research Commission
Arizona Home Page
Arizona State, County, and City Websites
Arkansas Home Page
Arkansas State, County, and City Websites
Arms Control and International Security
Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee
Barry M. Goldwater Scholarship and Excellence in Education Foundation
Bonneville Power Administration
Botanic Garden
Broadcasting Board of Governors (Voice of America, Radio|TV Marti and more)
Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of International Labor Affairs


Want me to go into the C's and beyond?

And we have not even touched all the pork, entitlements, corporate and personal welfare, etc

As for jobs.. your job and your employment and your earning and your well being are your responsibility... when the government stops doing things and some people wish to benefit from a service that is canceled, it is amazing how someone will start a business to make profit, and it is funny how businesses need to hire people to do jobs... and if it is not something that is wanted or worthwhile as a business, guess there was not much need for the government to be doing it ANYWAY, now was there?

Dave,
The problem with you is your were born in the wrong century. You need to travel back in time and spent a year living as a serf or a slave or a subject on the manor of a Nobleman. There you would be free to do your job or not, when the food on your table and your very life were your responsibility.
Fuck up and speak of insurrection and the Lord would have you killed. Break your leg and be unable to provide the Lord with his due - and make him disappoint his King - he'd as likely break your other leg and send your wife and kids into the fields to make up for your failures.
Go ahead and post the names of the C's to Z's - that proves nothing. Yes we have a huge bureaucracy, and much should be done to trim the federal budget, but the problem is not liberal largess, or conservative largess, it is systemic. It can't be fixed by term limits, nor by public financing of campaigns; it can't be fixed by electing third party candidates or by pointing fingers at one party or the other.
There is one and only one solution to the problem and that is a balanced budget amendment to the US Contitution and a referendum by the people on how limited dollars are spent.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The right would support civil unions. The Gays don't want them.
"The Gays"? Do you know what each and every member of "The Gays" wants? And even if that premise were true - which I suspect it is not - you admit that the right supports laws which favor discrimination.

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.
This was asked before, so I simply repeat the question: What does "the right" propose be eliminated? And assuming government can be shrunk to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub (google "Starve the Beast" if you don't get the reference) what does "the right" propose those who lose their jobs do?

I would eliminate Medicare, Social Security, All social programs at the Federal level, All Education programs at the Federal level. All Housing programs. I would cut Congressional Staff and support personnel to no more than 4 per member of Congress with a top salary of 90k. I would eliminate the ability of Congress to fly anywhere they want without first justifying the trip with a specific power of their branch of Government and a specific need for them to do the trip. I would limit Congress to a total of 200 days in session a year. With additional time approved only by a majority vote and authorized by the Executive. Such an action being required to be posted for the PEOPLE to see the justification. I would require all travel during the 90 days preceding an election be justified in writing ahead of time and be public knowledge for the people to see why the member of Congress is using Government funds to move during an election cycle.

I would go line by line through the Federal Budget and eliminate any program not directly authorized by the LISTED powers of the Constitution.

I would require that all special programs added to bills that benefit one or more Congressmen or Senators be public knowledge and be means tested to verify they were with in the guidelines of the taxing powers of the Congress as specified in the Constitution. Money can not be spent except for the welfare of the Country and taxes can not be collected except for the use and payment of programs and powers directly authorized by the Constitution for the welfare of all the Country.

I would submit an amendment to the US Constitution requiring that all BILLS in both houses MUST have attached to them the specific section and power granted to Congress by the Constitution that authorizes the bill's consideration for passage. I would push for a rules change in the House and the Senate that required all bills up for vote be published in a manner that the General public has 72 hours to read them before any vote can be taken.

So, if you would do all that, why do we need a Constitution? You, who would be King, could rule by decree.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Setting aside the right's Neanderthal views on social issues, the primary cause of the right is to make an intellectually persuasive argument that it's okay for people to be greedy.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.
This was asked before, so I simply repeat the question: What does "the right" propose be eliminated? And assuming government can be shrunk to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub (google "Starve the Beast" if you don't get the reference) what does "the right" propose those who lose their jobs do?

Let's just do a quick starter list

Administration for Native Americans
Administrative Committee of the Federal Register
African Development Foundation
Agency for International Development
Agricultural Marketing Service
Alabama Home Page
Alabama State, County, and City Websites
Alaska Home Page
Alaska State, County, and City Websites
American Samoa Home Page
Appalachian Regional Commission
Arctic Research Commission
Arizona Home Page
Arizona State, County, and City Websites
Arkansas Home Page
Arkansas State, County, and City Websites
Arms Control and International Security
Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee
Barry M. Goldwater Scholarship and Excellence in Education Foundation
Bonneville Power Administration
Botanic Garden
Broadcasting Board of Governors (Voice of America, Radio|TV Marti and more)
Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of International Labor Affairs


Want me to go into the C's and beyond?

And we have not even touched all the pork, entitlements, corporate and personal welfare, etc

As for jobs.. your job and your employment and your earning and your well being are your responsibility... when the government stops doing things and some people wish to benefit from a service that is canceled, it is amazing how someone will start a business to make profit, and it is funny how businesses need to hire people to do jobs... and if it is not something that is wanted or worthwhile as a business, guess there was not much need for the government to be doing it ANYWAY, now was there?

Dave,
The problem with you is your were born in the wrong century. You need to travel back in time and spent a year living as a serf or a slave or a subject on the manor of a Nobleman. There you would be free to do your job or not, when the food on your table and your very life were your responsibility.
Fuck up and speak of insurrection and the Lord would have you killed. Break your leg and be unable to provide the Lord with his due - and make him disappoint his King - he'd as likely break your other leg and send your wife and kids into the fields to make up for your failures.
Go ahead and post the names of the C's to Z's - that proves nothing. Yes we have a huge bureaucracy, and much should be done to trim the federal budget, but the problem is not liberal largess, or conservative largess, it is systemic. It can't be fixed by term limits, nor by public financing of campaigns; it can't be fixed by electing third party candidates or by pointing fingers at one party or the other.
There is one and only one solution to the problem and that is a balanced budget amendment to the US Contitution and a referendum by the people on how limited dollars are spent.

You are aware that if we passed a balanced budget amendment the very first year the Government would have to shut down massive amounts of its programs because we do not operate in budget and have not in quite some time. The supposed surplus at the end of Clinton's term was not a surplus at all, we had not paid a time on the deficit except interest.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The right has never opposed taxation, they prefer as little tax as needed to run as small a Government as can be created to run the Country.
This was asked before, so I simply repeat the question: What does "the right" propose be eliminated? And assuming government can be shrunk to the size it can be drowned in a bathtub (google "Starve the Beast" if you don't get the reference) what does "the right" propose those who lose their jobs do?

I would eliminate Medicare, Social Security, All social programs at the Federal level, All Education programs at the Federal level. All Housing programs. I would cut Congressional Staff and support personnel to no more than 4 per member of Congress with a top salary of 90k. I would eliminate the ability of Congress to fly anywhere they want without first justifying the trip with a specific power of their branch of Government and a specific need for them to do the trip. I would limit Congress to a total of 200 days in session a year. With additional time approved only by a majority vote and authorized by the Executive. Such an action being required to be posted for the PEOPLE to see the justification. I would require all travel during the 90 days preceding an election be justified in writing ahead of time and be public knowledge for the people to see why the member of Congress is using Government funds to move during an election cycle.

I would go line by line through the Federal Budget and eliminate any program not directly authorized by the LISTED powers of the Constitution.

I would require that all special programs added to bills that benefit one or more Congressmen or Senators be public knowledge and be means tested to verify they were with in the guidelines of the taxing powers of the Congress as specified in the Constitution. Money can not be spent except for the welfare of the Country and taxes can not be collected except for the use and payment of programs and powers directly authorized by the Constitution for the welfare of all the Country.

I would submit an amendment to the US Constitution requiring that all BILLS in both houses MUST have attached to them the specific section and power granted to Congress by the Constitution that authorizes the bill's consideration for passage. I would push for a rules change in the House and the Senate that required all bills up for vote be published in a manner that the General public has 72 hours to read them before any vote can be taken.

So, if you would do all that, why do we need a Constitution? You, who would be King, could rule by decree.

All of it would be done within the framework of the Constitution. You really are pretty disingenuous. You ask a question and when it is answered pretend it is some nefarious plot to install a dictator.

It would require a majority in both Houses of Congress of the people that actually believe the same not just happen to have the same party initial after their name.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I would eliminate Medicare, Social Security, All social programs at the Federal level, All Education programs at the Federal level. All Housing programs. I would cut Congressional Staff and support personnel to no more than 4 per member of Congress with a top salary of 90k. I would eliminate the ability of Congress to fly anywhere they want without first justifying the trip with a specific power of their branch of Government and a specific need for them to do the trip. I would limit Congress to a total of 200 days in session a year. With additional time approved only by a majority vote and authorized by the Executive. Such an action being required to be posted for the PEOPLE to see the justification. I would require all travel during the 90 days preceding an election be justified in writing ahead of time and be public knowledge for the people to see why the member of Congress is using Government funds to move during an election cycle.

I would go line by line through the Federal Budget and eliminate any program not directly authorized by the LISTED powers of the Constitution.

I would require that all special programs added to bills that benefit one or more Congressmen or Senators be public knowledge and be means tested to verify they were with in the guidelines of the taxing powers of the Congress as specified in the Constitution. Money can not be spent except for the welfare of the Country and taxes can not be collected except for the use and payment of programs and powers directly authorized by the Constitution for the welfare of all the Country.

I would submit an amendment to the US Constitution requiring that all BILLS in both houses MUST have attached to them the specific section and power granted to Congress by the Constitution that authorizes the bill's consideration for passage. I would push for a rules change in the House and the Senate that required all bills up for vote be published in a manner that the General public has 72 hours to read them before any vote can be taken.

So, if you would do all that, why do we need a Constitution? You, who would be King, could rule by decree.

All of it would be done within the framework of the Constitution. You really are pretty disingenuous. You ask a question and when it is answered pretend it is some nefarious plot to install a dictator.

It would require a majority in both Houses of Congress of the people that actually believe the same not just happen to have the same party initial after their name.

So, who enforces your rules?

And where in the Constitution does it give you (or anyone else) the power to make these rules?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Setting aside the right's Neanderthal views on social issues, the primary cause of the right is to make an intellectually persuasive argument that it's okay for people to be greedy.

I was pretty sure a clear, concise and spot on post on this MB was extinct. Thanks for providing one, if there's one, there maybe more.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Let's just do a quick starter list

Administration for Native Americans
Administrative Committee of the Federal Register
African Development Foundation
Agency for International Development
Agricultural Marketing Service
Alabama Home Page
Alabama State, County, and City Websites
Alaska Home Page
Alaska State, County, and City Websites
American Samoa Home Page
Appalachian Regional Commission
Arctic Research Commission
Arizona Home Page
Arizona State, County, and City Websites
Arkansas Home Page
Arkansas State, County, and City Websites
Arms Control and International Security
Arthritis and Musculoskeletal Interagency Coordinating Committee
Barry M. Goldwater Scholarship and Excellence in Education Foundation
Bonneville Power Administration
Botanic Garden
Broadcasting Board of Governors (Voice of America, Radio|TV Marti and more)
Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA)
Bureau of International Labor Affairs


Want me to go into the C's and beyond?

And we have not even touched all the pork, entitlements, corporate and personal welfare, etc

As for jobs.. your job and your employment and your earning and your well being are your responsibility... when the government stops doing things and some people wish to benefit from a service that is canceled, it is amazing how someone will start a business to make profit, and it is funny how businesses need to hire people to do jobs... and if it is not something that is wanted or worthwhile as a business, guess there was not much need for the government to be doing it ANYWAY, now was there?

Dave,
The problem with you is your were born in the wrong century. You need to travel back in time and spent a year living as a serf or a slave or a subject on the manor of a Nobleman. There you would be free to do your job or not, when the food on your table and your very life were your responsibility.
Fuck up and speak of insurrection and the Lord would have you killed. Break your leg and be unable to provide the Lord with his due - and make him disappoint his King - he'd as likely break your other leg and send your wife and kids into the fields to make up for your failures.
Go ahead and post the names of the C's to Z's - that proves nothing. Yes we have a huge bureaucracy, and much should be done to trim the federal budget, but the problem is not liberal largess, or conservative largess, it is systemic. It can't be fixed by term limits, nor by public financing of campaigns; it can't be fixed by electing third party candidates or by pointing fingers at one party or the other.
There is one and only one solution to the problem and that is a balanced budget amendment to the US Contitution and a referendum by the people on how limited dollars are spent.

You are aware that if we passed a balanced budget amendment the very first year the Government would have to shut down massive amounts of its programs because we do not operate in budget and have not in quite some time. The supposed surplus at the end of Clinton's term was not a surplus at all, we had not paid a time on the deficit except interest.

I am. And if I were king I'd decree that the budget must be balanced by 2014; and, also by decree, I would order the head of the (D) Senator from Nebraska, and the (I) Senator from Connecticut be lopped off. I would then order the CFO, CEO and Board of Directors of: Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, BAE systems, General Dynamics, Raytheon, United Technologies, L-3 Communications Holding, KBR, Inc., and Navistar Defense to be detained in federal prison, pending a Habeas Corpus hearing as to why they too should not be executed.
Well, I would if I were far left. I do believe they should be brought before the Congress and under oath provide a complete and total accounting of their work, their 'campaign donations' and any fraud they have participated in at the expense of the American people.