What does America stand for? and what makes an American Patriot?

[Freewill]

Or maybe it's destroyed something you want, but you don't get everything you want.

Well, I already stated that I thought America's collective consciousness was destroyed. If that doesn't satisfy you then perhaps you ought to tell me what it is I want.

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Well you've just proven yourself wrong, haven't you?

If patriotism is what unites the US, but the left isn't what you deem to be patriotic, then it doesn't unite the country, does it?

It SHOULD unite the country. It CAN unite the country. And as we saw last election the COUNTRY went against the liberal left.

Nothing will unite those who do not want to be united. Most countries are homogenous in who they are, like France and Britain. That Unites them. The USA has nothing like that to unite them, except love of country.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, I already stated that I thought America's collective consciousness was destroyed. If that doesn't satisfy you then perhaps you ought to tell me what it is I want.

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Patriotism is purely subjective, it doesn't have the power to unite.

The hell you say.

Well, after 9/11 Bush Dubya got an approval rating of 90%. That's the highest ever. Did he unite the country? No, he didn't. 10% of people didn't approve of him even then.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, I already stated that I thought America's collective consciousness was destroyed. If that doesn't satisfy you then perhaps you ought to tell me what it is I want.

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Well you've just proven yourself wrong, haven't you?

If patriotism is what unites the US, but the left isn't what you deem to be patriotic, then it doesn't unite the country, does it?

It SHOULD unite the country. It CAN unite the country. And as we saw last election the COUNTRY went against the liberal left.

Nothing will unite those who do not want to be united. Most countries are homogenous in who they are, like France and Britain. That Unites them. The USA has nothing like that to unite them, except love of country.

Yes, nothing will unite those who don't want to be united. Who doesn't want to be united? Well, partisan hacks for a start, and there are enough of those. They want to be united but only under their own terms.

No, if you think France and Britain are homogeneous and united you'd be rather wrong.

Scotland has had independence votes, Wales doesn't bother simply because they know their economy wouldn't stand independence, the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland hate the fuck out of each other, the north of England hates the South of England, especially London.

The English don't even really celebrate their own National Day, it's not a holiday, it's nothing. Some people do some stuff, but it doesn't mean much.

France has Corsica, it has the Arabs, looks at the home grown terror attacks that are more to do with France's colonial past than anything else.

But patriotism might unite a country when EVERYONE in the nation feels they're sharing a part of that. In the US this isn't the case. 25% poverty for blacks and Hispanics. A president who'll use the pain of some to further his popularity among those he feels are important to his own ego.

 

[Tehon]

Well, I already stated that I thought America's collective consciousness was destroyed. If that doesn't satisfy you then perhaps you ought to tell me what it is I want.

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Patriotism is purely subjective, it doesn't have the power to unite.

The hell you say.

That is called a historical event. How one relates to it is purely subjective.

 

[iceberg]

I see a lot of people, especially on the right, like Bush92 telling people they're un-American for watching football, or protesting.

So, what does America stand for? What are the principles of the USA?

Personally I thought it would have been what the Founding Fathers set down in the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Human Rights are important, treating people fairly and equally, people having the right to talk about politics, people having the right to be left alone by the US govt, but also a government which listened to its people, which represented its people, which worked to improve the country for its people.

What makes an American Patriot?

In my view the term "patriot" is as vague as some other words like "love". What does it mean? Most people don't really know. They know it means that a person loves their country, but how much does a person really love their country? How much of the country do you need to actually love in order for you to be a "patriot".

Clearly you can't love everything and everyone in your country. Many people proclaiming to patriots fly the Confederate flag, a flag of treason, other people will pound on Obama, pound on Trump, pound on the government at home, criticize it massively when their "side" isn't in power. Does this make you not be a patriot?

i see a lot of the left saying the same thing except it's more NAZI, RACIST, MYSIGGOSKL#WHATEVERTHEHELLTHISONEIS...

and it gets old.

i see liberals taking out guns and flat out killing conservatives yet they want gun control. quite the quandrious dilemma isn't it?

and it gets very old.

to keep shouting at the other side without shouting at your own for the same actions keeps the bullshit alive.

and i'd think we'd all agree that's far too old and has gone on far too long.

 

[iceberg]

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Well you've just proven yourself wrong, haven't you?

If patriotism is what unites the US, but the left isn't what you deem to be patriotic, then it doesn't unite the country, does it?

It SHOULD unite the country. It CAN unite the country. And as we saw last election the COUNTRY went against the liberal left.

Nothing will unite those who do not want to be united. Most countries are homogenous in who they are, like France and Britain. That Unites them. The USA has nothing like that to unite them, except love of country.

Yes, nothing will unite those who don't want to be united. Who doesn't want to be united? Well, partisan hacks for a start, and there are enough of those. They want to be united but only under their own terms.

No, if you think France and Britain are homogeneous and united you'd be rather wrong.

Scotland has had independence votes, Wales doesn't bother simply because they know their economy wouldn't stand independence, the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland hate the fuck out of each other, the north of England hates the South of England, especially London.

The English don't even really celebrate their own National Day, it's not a holiday, it's nothing. Some people do some stuff, but it doesn't mean much.

France has Corsica, it has the Arabs, looks at the home grown terror attacks that are more to do with France's colonial past than anything else.

But patriotism might unite a country when EVERYONE in the nation feels they're sharing a part of that. In the US this isn't the case. 25% poverty for blacks and Hispanics. A president who'll use the pain of some to further his popularity among those he feels are important to his own ego.

obama did that also, but it would seem you were ok with who they were trampling on because they deserved it for some strange reason.

 

[Tehon]

But patriotism might unite a country when EVERYONE in the nation feels they're sharing a part of that. In the US this isn't the case. 25% poverty for blacks and Hispanics.

I don't believe patriotism has the power to unite but the idea that we should strive to make our nation's prosperity more inclusive is at the heart of my argument.

 

[frigidweirdo]

But patriotism might unite a country when EVERYONE in the nation feels they're sharing a part of that. In the US this isn't the case. 25% poverty for blacks and Hispanics.

I don't believe patriotism has the power to unite but the idea that we should strive to make our nation's prosperity more inclusive is at the heart of my argument.

And the problem is you'll be fighting an uphill battle against those who don't want things more inclusive.

 

[Tehon]

But patriotism might unite a country when EVERYONE in the nation feels they're sharing a part of that. In the US this isn't the case. 25% poverty for blacks and Hispanics.

I don't believe patriotism has the power to unite but the idea that we should strive to make our nation's prosperity more inclusive is at the heart of my argument.

And the problem is you'll be fighting an uphill battle against those who don't want things more inclusive.

But I don't see it as my problem so much as it is America's problem. I'm just pointing it out, what I believe is the problem, because the opportunity presented itself. Neo-liberalism has had nearly 50 years to root itself into the fabric of our society. It will take a new generation to stop that way of thinking. This one surely won't.

 

[9thIDdoc]

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Patriotism is purely subjective, it doesn't have the power to unite.

The hell you say.

Well, after 9/11 Bush Dubya got an approval rating of 90%. That's the highest ever. Did he unite the country? No, he didn't. 10% of people didn't approve of him even then.

Well, after 9/11 Bush Dubya got an approval rating of 90%. That's the highest ever. Did he unite the country? No, he didn't. 10% of people didn't approve of him even then

Then Abraham Lincoln's approval rating must have really sucked!

 

[boedicca]

These are all being undermined by global elites using ignorant left wing stooges as their ground troops.

Global elites = neo-liberalism = conservatism = stooges

You have been so brainwashed by neo-liberalism you can't even admit that collective consciousness exists. Thanks for helping to make my point.

So, you're using a tactic if "either agree with me or I'll cal you brainwashed"? Great.

Collective consciousness - Wikipedia

"Collective consciousness, collective conscience, or collective conscious (French: conscience collective) is the set of shared beliefs, ideas and moral attitudes which operate as a unifying force within society."

So what things do all Americans have a shared belief of, or share the same ideas or the same morals?

List them and we'll see if all Americans agree with this.

What is wrong with you? I have been consistent throughout this thread that neo-liberalism has destroyed our collective consciousness. In other words we have no shared values. There is nothing to list.

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness. People do not share a Hive Mind, except for mindless moonbats who do what their elite masters instruct them to do.

It's not about having a hive mind. We don't all think alike. Obviously.
It's about an awareness that we are all connected by something. Something that has the potential to unite us.
In your case, and many others, it has to start with recognizing that we are in fact a collective.

If you do not mean to refer to a hive mind, then I suggest you cease using the prse Collective Consciousness.

 

[boedicca]

Or maybe it's destroyed something you want, but you don't get everything you want.

Well, I already stated that I thought America's collective consciousness was destroyed. If that doesn't satisfy you then perhaps you ought to tell me what it is I want.

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Patriotism is purely subjective, it doesn't have the power to unite.

It's a value that, when shared, united people. It's the same thing with other values. The ones I outlined earlier are some of the traditional American values that made the U.S. a successful country. Look at the values of hellhole underdeveloped countries run by totalitarians, and try to figure out the difference.

 

[frigidweirdo]

But patriotism might unite a country when EVERYONE in the nation feels they're sharing a part of that. In the US this isn't the case. 25% poverty for blacks and Hispanics.

I don't believe patriotism has the power to unite but the idea that we should strive to make our nation's prosperity more inclusive is at the heart of my argument.

And the problem is you'll be fighting an uphill battle against those who don't want things more inclusive.

But I don't see it as my problem so much as it is America's problem. I'm just pointing it out, what I believe is the problem, because the opportunity presented itself. Neo-liberalism has had nearly 50 years to root itself into the fabric of our society. It will take a new generation to stop that way of thinking. This one surely won't.

You aren't going to get rid of what you see as the problem. In Spain they had Franco for 30 years in power, after a brutal civil war in which he made sure he killed as many of his opponents as possible, and then rounded people up and executed them after the war too, and still Spain elects left wing governments.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Patriotism is purely subjective, it doesn't have the power to unite.

The hell you say.

Well, after 9/11 Bush Dubya got an approval rating of 90%. That's the highest ever. Did he unite the country? No, he didn't. 10% of people didn't approve of him even then.

Well, after 9/11 Bush Dubya got an approval rating of 90%. That's the highest ever. Did he unite the country? No, he didn't. 10% of people didn't approve of him even then

Then Abraham Lincoln's approval rating must have really sucked!

Lincoln didn't have an approval rating.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, I already stated that I thought America's collective consciousness was destroyed. If that doesn't satisfy you then perhaps you ought to tell me what it is I want.

There is no such thing as a collective consciousness, you blithering fool.

I can understand the appeal of one to you, however, as you aren't able to think properly.

What are our common connections as Americans? Is it merely the dirt we walk on?

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Patriotism is purely subjective, it doesn't have the power to unite.

It's a value that, when shared, united people. It's the same thing with other values. The ones I outlined earlier are some of the traditional American values that made the U.S. a successful country. Look at the values of hellhole underdeveloped countries run by totalitarians, and try to figure out the difference.

But we're not talking about values which unite people, we're talking about what unites the US people.

 

[John Shaw]

I've come to the European understanding that Americans are by and large fucking stupid.

 

[Borillar]

I see a lot of people, especially on the right, like Bush92 telling people they're un-American for watching football, or protesting.

So, what does America stand for? What are the principles of the USA?

Personally I thought it would have been what the Founding Fathers set down in the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Human Rights are important, treating people fairly and equally, people having the right to talk about politics, people having the right to be left alone by the US govt, but also a government which listened to its people, which represented its people, which worked to improve the country for its people.

What makes an American Patriot?

In my view the term "patriot" is as vague as some other words like "love". What does it mean? Most people don't really know. They know it means that a person loves their country, but how much does a person really love their country? How much of the country do you need to actually love in order for you to be a "patriot".

Clearly you can't love everything and everyone in your country. Many people proclaiming to patriots fly the Confederate flag, a flag of treason, other people will pound on Obama, pound on Trump, pound on the government at home, criticize it massively when their "side" isn't in power. Does this make you not be a patriot?

What is an American Patriot?
Think the exact opposite of most on the Left.

pa·tri·ot
ˈpātrēət/
noun
noun: patriot; plural noun: patriots; noun: Patriot

1. 1.
   a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors.
   synonyms: nationalist, loyalist; More
   chauvinist, jingoist, flag-waver
   "would a true patriot abandon a comrade?"
   
   Definition of patriot
   ne who loves his or her country and supports its authority and interests
   • … praised him as a … motivated patriot who was fearless in the quest to preserve American security.
   • —W. R. Hearst, Jr.

And what is the enemy of the country? The right say the left, the left say the right.

When those waving confederate flags claim to be patriots, when they're supporting treason, and they'll justify blindly and devotedly their view of the world, and they make their enemies in order to pound on others, then you find it's not as easy as a dictionary definition.

No, no.....don't become confused. The Left would love to redefine what it means to be a "Patriot". Sorry, it is what it is...it means what it means. Nothing gray about it.
Take the Lefty spin off the civil war and you'll quickly see "The South" felt that government was depriving them of their constitutional rights. They fought the only way they knew how in an attempt to preserve those rights. THE END

Yeah, their "right" to enslave their fellow man based upon skin color.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I read that last night right after posting a WaPo article here accusing Democrats of playing politics with the Vegas shooting. I think maybe something is in the water supply at the WaPo this week.

Patriotism is what did unite the US. That is why the left wing wishes to destroy the flag and patriotism.

Patriotism is purely subjective, it doesn't have the power to unite.

The hell you say.

Well, after 9/11 Bush Dubya got an approval rating of 90%. That's the highest ever. Did he unite the country? No, he didn't. 10% of people didn't approve of him even then.

Well, after 9/11 Bush Dubya got an approval rating of 90%. That's the highest ever. Did he unite the country? No, he didn't. 10% of people didn't approve of him even then

Then Abraham Lincoln's approval rating must have really sucked!

Lincoln didn't have an approval rating.

No shit? I'd say that about half the states leaving the Union says a lot about his approval. Or lack there of.
Fragmenting rather than uniting.

 

[9thIDdoc]

I've come to the European understanding that Americans are by and large fucking stupid.

Right. Welcoming their enemies to come in to destroy their culture and murder their people is really fuckin smart.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I've come to the European understanding that Americans are by and large fucking stupid.

Right. Welcoming their enemies to come in to destroy their culture and murder their people is really fuckin smart.

Their enemy? Or the US's enemy? Without the US there wouldn't have been much of a problem.