What do these Dems have against god?

[JBeukema]

 

[sangha]

The COTUS is the will of the people. It was voted for by the people

You voted for it? You parents did? Your neighbor? Your cousin? Your teacher? The clerk at the grocery store? The child who was just born at the hospital 30 seconds ago?

Or you inherited it and were forced into the social contract already in place around you under pain of punishment up to and including death if you violated it, depending on what terms, exactly you were in violation of?

Why do you hate the Constitution?

Most adults realize that by accepting the benefits of living in our nation, one is bound to respect its' laws, limits, and civic responsibilities. Wingnuts dependant on govt welfare develop an entitlement complex and are the exception.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

why do so many cons care about a pledge written by a socialist????

Who cares you its written by...I'm just saying it seems like the libs chokewhen they have to say "under God"

Anyone who, at the bidding of the state, declares a trust in God, might as well fall to his knees in worship of Satan. God has absolute and exclusive authority over our duty to trust in him. The state has none whatsoever.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

Every time someone mentions the Federalist, I wonder whether they realize that there were also the Anti-Federalist Papers

Congress will be the only judges of the general welfare.

--Anti Federalist VI​

 

[JBeukema]

The COTUS is the will of the people. It was voted for by the people

You voted for it? You parents did? Your neighbor? Your cousin? Your teacher? The clerk at the grocery store? The child who was just born at the hospital 30 seconds ago?

Or you inherited it and were forced into the social contract already in place around you under pain of punishment up to and including death if you violated it, depending on what terms, exactly you were in violation of?

Why do you hate the Constitution?

Most adults realize that by accepting the benefits of living in our nation, one is bound to respect its' laws, limits, and civic responsibilities. Wingnuts dependant on govt welfare develop an entitlement complex and are the exception.

We're 'bound to respect it's laws'?


So we shoulda loved it or left it instead of changing it if we disapproved of slavery or approved of women's and minority suffrage?


Weren't the FF, by accepting the benefits of being British subjects , bound to obey it's laws- and yet... they were traitorous bastards.

 

[JBeukema]

Every time someone mentions the Federalist, I wonder whether they realize that there were also the Anti-Federalist Papers

Congress will be the only judges of the general welfare.

--Anti Federalist VI​

In practice, that's been fairly accurate.

 

[sangha]

You voted for it? You parents did? Your neighbor? Your cousin? Your teacher? The clerk at the grocery store? The child who was just born at the hospital 30 seconds ago?

Or you inherited it and were forced into the social contract already in place around you under pain of punishment up to and including death if you violated it, depending on what terms, exactly you were in violation of?

Why do you hate the Constitution?

Most adults realize that by accepting the benefits of living in our nation, one is bound to respect its' laws, limits, and civic responsibilities. Wingnuts dependant on govt welfare develop an entitlement complex and are the exception.

We're 'bound to respect it's laws'?


So we shoulda loved it or left it instead of changing it if we disapproved of slavery or approved of women's and minority suffrage?


Weren't the FF, by accepting the benefits of being British subjects , bound to obey it's laws- and yet... they were traitorous bastards.

If wingnuts didn't make stuff up, they'd have nothing to say

The moron asked a question, and got an answer he didn't like, so now he's going to make up stuff about what I said.

wrt what "we" shoulda done, I do not include as a member of any group I belong to, so you should find another pronoun to use

And you can do whatever you want. If you want to no respect and obey the laws of the land, don't be surprised if they lock your ass up. Of course, since you don't have the balls to actually act on your mythical principles, there's no chance of that happening

And wrt the FF's, if they had lost, they would have certainly have been executed as traitors by the British govt. The FF's were fully aware of this. Unlike you, they recognized this and took responsibility for the potential consequences of their actions. Unlike you, they realized how the world works.

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

John Adams and John Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

That's a bogus quote, dude. There is no evidence that either Adams or Hancock ever said it.

Even if the quote was accurate, it wouldn't change the fact that the Constitution prohibits Congress from making a law that establishes a duty to trust in God.

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

Do you know what the "general principles of Christianity" were, according to John Adams? They're not what you think they are.

“[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”

–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

How does that change the fact that the Constitution prohibits Congress from making a law respecting an establishment a duty to trust in the Creator?

PS: Do you know that the American voters booted President John Adams out of office for using his civil authority to give them religious advice.

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

Moral religious people don't want the government advising them on their duty to trust, or not to trust, in God.


Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin

“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

The Convention rejected that argument and Franklin's motion for daily prayer.

we had daily prayers in this room

The General Convention of 1787 rejected the motion for daily prayer.

 

[Liberty]

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That theya re not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever." -Jefferson

"The laws of nature are the laws of God, whose authority can be superseded by no power on earth." -George Mason

"In the supposed state of nature, all men are equally bound by the laws of the Creator: They are imprinted by the finger of God on the heart of man." -Samuel Adams

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

According to liberal Protestantism, God has gifted all men with freedom from civil authority over purely spiritual things. The thirty-seventh article of the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States Book of Common Prayer declares that the civil magistrate hath no authority in things purely spiritual.

 

[jillian]

According to liberal Protestantism, God has gifted all men with freedom from civil authority over purely spiritual things. The thirty-seventh article of the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States Book of Common Prayer declares that the civil magistrate hath no authority in things purely spiritual.

what is purely spiritual aside from where you worship and how?

 

[Father Time]

The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom - Religious Freedom Page

 

[Micky G. Jagger]

According to liberal Protestantism, God has gifted all men with freedom from civil authority over purely spiritual things. The thirty-seventh article of the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States Book of Common Prayer declares that the civil magistrate hath no authority in things purely spiritual.

what is purely spiritual aside from where you worship and how?

That is a good question.

SPIRITUAL, (spir'-it-u-al) a. Distinct from matter; immaterial; incorporeal; mental; intellectual; not gross ; refined from external things ; relative only to the mind ; not temporal; relating only to the things of heaven.

--Tenth Edition of A Dictionary of the English Language (1792)​