CDZ What do American Muslims want?

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    This being CDZ, please show evidence of the Trump claim of Muslims dancing in the streets of America in celebration of the attacks.

    Thank you in advance for your help as I'm unable to find anything at all to prove this happened.
     
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    Of course they would. Ahmet Necdet Sezer and Bulent Ecevit were the last secular president and PM of Turkey, unfortunately. They were sharing the same values and the world view with the American people

    Just because they were opposing the American foreign policy in the mid east(invasion of Iraq), which later turned out to be a mistake and detrimental to the American people, US foreign policy back in the days saw them as a bottleneck, and supported the removal of seculars from power in Turkey.

    Following their terms, Erdogan, a full blown islamist took power, unfortunately again backed up by US foreign policy.

    Erdogan has long islamist roots. Bin Laden was cheered in a meeting of the islamist political party he was involved with(SP), before establishing his own political party(AKP).


    So to summarize; US foreign policy preferred an islamist dog on a leash,
    rather than a secular equal friends who are capable of giving opinions for the sake of the people of both countries



    This is a very sad story... :(
     
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    We don't have to let any population in.

    But if we are going to allow immigrants in, we shouldn't discriminate based upon race, religion or gender.
     
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    As I said-
    Of course you missed all of the reaction against the 9/11 attacks- you are absolutely determined to see nothing but evil.

    None are so blind as those who refuse to see. And those who cannot count.

    After 9/11 most of the Muslims world- including Muslims in the United States condemned the attacks- but you wouldn't remember that- because to you- Muslims are all terrorists.

    In a Joint Statement by the American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers, Association of Muslim Social Scientists, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Medical Association of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Society of North America, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Muslim American Society and Muslim Public Affairs Council, stated:[4]


    American Muslims utterly condemn the vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.


    Almost all Muslim political and religious leaders condemned the attacks. The leaders vehemently denouncing the attacks included the leaders of Egypt (Hosni Mubarak), the Palestinian Authority (Yasser Arafat), Libya (Muammar Gaddafi), Syria (Bashar al-Assad), Iran (Mohamed Khatami) and Pakistan (Pervez Musharraf).[4][20] The sole exception was Iraq, when the then-president Saddam Hussein, said of the attacks that "the American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity".[21] Saddam would later offer sympathy to the Americans killed in the attacks.[22


      • Bangladesh: People gathered in mosques in prayer, and clerics condemned the attacks.[10]
      • Indonesia: Many Indonesians gathered on beaches to pray for the victims of the attacks.[10]
      • Kazakhstan offered the use of its airspace for relief and offered its condolences.[10]
      • Kyrgyzstan: The government of Kyrgyzstan offered its condolences, as well as the use of its airspace.
      • Tajikistan: People gathered in squares to light candles, prayed and offered good wishes.
      • Turkey's president Ahmet Necdet Sezer and prime minister Bülent Ecevit condemned the attacks. The Turkish government then ordered all of its flags at half-mast for one day of mourning.
      • Turkmenistan offered its condolences and offered the use of its airspace for relief.
      • Uzbekistan: Leaders in Uzbekistan called the White House to offer its condolences and also offered the use of its airspace.
      • Azerbaijan: Azerbaijanis gathered in town squares to light candles, pray and offered good wishes.
      • Sudan: Leaders and Clerics in Sudan denounced the attacks.
      • Pakistan: Islamic clerics in Pakistani mosques condemned the attacks.[10]
      • Yemen: Clerics in Yemeni mosques heavily denounced the attacks and labelled them as "cowardly" and "un-Islamic".[10]
      • Saudi Arabia's government and the royal Saudi family condemned and denounced the attacks and offered to provide financial aid to the victims.[citation needed]
      • Syria: Bashar al-Assad also condemned the attacks.
      • Iraq: After first justifying the 9/11 attacks, Saddam Hussein, a few months later, offered his sympathy for the victims and Americans killed in the attacks.
      • Jordan: King Abdullah II condemned the 9/11 attacks. Many Jordanians signed letters of sympathy.
      • Kuwait: The Kuwaiti government condemned and denounced the 9/11 attacks. Some Kuwaitis lined up at local Red Crescent hospitals to donate blood.
      • Iran: Despite Iran's rocky relations with the U.S., both Iranian president Mohamed Khatami and Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei condemned and denounced the attacks and the terrorists who carried out the attacks. Iranians who gathered for a soccer match in Tehran two days after the 9/11 attacks observed a moment of silence. There was also a candlelight vigil.
        • Huge crowds attended candlelit vigils in Iran, and 60,000 spectators observed a minute's silence at Tehran's soccer stadium.[23][24]

     
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    And again:

    None of them were 'immigrants'

    All were here on temporary visas- tourist, business and one student visa
     
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    So you agree with my examples- that virtually all Muslim countries- from the most secular of the time(Turkey) to the most religiously repressive(Saudi Arabia and Iran) condemned the 9/11 attacks.
     
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    I do agree

    And I add; this barely means anything

    As I showed you; the political islamist base, the current president of Turkey did rise from, were cheering Bin Laden back then... You can conclude anything you wanted from this example now...
     
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    I just wanted to clear up my point before I go on and agree on the danger of Islamic extremism- and I agree with you regarding Erdogan being the danger he is.

    How did Erdogan take power with the backing of U.S. foreign policy?
     
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    US foreign policy makers have variety of tools at their disposal, to be able to create a desired status in a region, the way they see fit in parallel to the US interests.

    The definition of US interests however is a highly controversial and debatable topic, where the invasion of Iraq;
    * may be considered as against US interests while the majority of the people of this country suffered both physically, psychologically and economically
    * and at the same time may be considered as for US interests where US defense contractors quadrupled up their share values

    Will leave that part for another discussion, but I consider the invasion of Iraq being a success and for US interests, in the framework of policy makers have put it, and this is how they pulled it off in Turkey so she is not a bottleneck, but a help;


    Ergenekon trials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Deep State - The New Yorker

    SpyTalk - Islamic group is CIA front, ex-Turkish intel chief says



    US used her resources to remove Turkish seculars from power, and install islamists in place... Because Turkish seculars were against the invasion of Iraq
    Turkish seculars saw the invasion being detrimental to the Turkish people,... the American people,... for the people of the whole world...
    And they were right...

    Too bad they are being hunted and murdered on the streets of Istanbul by the islamists now... :(
     
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    I'm curious about what he said that elicited that blistering onslaught of diplomacy of yours?

    Was it his pointing out quite correctly that those fleeing the war torn areas of Syria were likely to be socially conservative? If so, that is just common knowledge and should go without saying. Heck, in one province of Syria, the consanguinity rate is over 70%. That is some serious inbreeding there, folks.

    That sort of social conservatism makes Fred Phelps look like Gore Vidal in comparison.
     
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