What defines a nation?

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    What defines a nation? How do we mark its emergence or passing? Is it the system of governance? The common zeitgeist? Lines on a map or a coloured piece of cloth fluttering in the wind?
     
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    A commonality and the ability to defend itself.

    Palestine is not a nation, byt the way. Reason is obvious.
     
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    Excellent question!

    The primary requirement for nationhood is a declaration of same, defined as sovereignty.

    The alternative is one-worldism, represented by giving away to another body the right to abrogate a nations' constitution.

    Theodore White stated that a common language is the "glue that holds a nation together."

    And your belief?
     
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    I think that's an interesting question.

    Another question, can you have a nation within a nation?
     
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    Was Imperial Rome truly the same nation as the Roman Republic?

    Is America today truly the same nation in anything but name and lip service as the nation founded by the FF?
     
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    I might just be nit picking the academic definitions of the words but I always thought a nation was a group of people who live in a geographical region who have a shared culture, language, history, etc. Where as a state is the political entity that governs a defined region. You can have a government that rules over a heterogeneous territory that encompasses many different groups of people. On the inverse there can be a Nation-State where the government rules over a homogeneous population who inhabit the region, such as Japan or Isreal.
     
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    Yes

    I think the entire group is called an Empire--usually there is one central nation that dictates to the rest.

    Like the British empire contained not only Wales and Ireland, but at one point, parts of India, China, North America and so forth.


    The Roman empire was based in Rome, bu extended the mediteranean Sea and even as far as Britain to Egypt.
     
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    How does the concept of a nation relate to the concept of self-determination and the consent of the governed?

    How are we to mark the formulation and passing of nations, as opposed to simply those of states, heads of state, or official systems of governance?
     
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    Imperial rome was ruled by an Emperor

    The Roman Republic was governed by the Senate.

    Same entity, different government.


    No--once a nation begin to change the foundations of its laws, it changes into something new. The ammendments to the constitution are the changes that make modern America different from Post-revolutionary America. Also, governmental experiences and strife helped shape modern America. That can be seen as either good or bad depending on your ideas about todays America.
     
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    If the border and name are constant, but the fundamental nature of governance and the accompanying ideology change, is it truly the same thing?

    Does that not apply to the first half of your post?
     

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