What could replace the Republican Party?

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    Some speculate that the Republican Party could just disappear after the last election. Where would the Evangelicals go? Something would have to replace the Republican Party, would the Democrats split into conservatives and liberals? What about big business, would they try to be everywhere? What about those elusive moderate Republicans, where would they go? Could a totally new party develop, and who would be their members? No need to argue about this, anyones guess will be interesting.
     
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    I think about twenty new partys would evolve, each based on a different issue like environment, military, health care, etc. These parties would negotiate and trade support much like the British system. A Religion Party would be one of the most interesting to watch.
     
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    I would support any party that espoused Conservative principles. Dem, Repub, Indy, whatever.
    Conservative meaning Low Taxes and Smaller Government.
     
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    Voting rights for cow manure?
     
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    The Democratic Party?

    But the Republican Party isn't going anywhere.
     
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    You're going to need Republicans to end this disaster sooner than you think.
     
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    Really, now?
     
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    I have always taken my own conservative philosophy from the Latin word conservō (conserv-āre = to save, to hold against, to preserve) therefore the philosophy of conservatism seen its best way should be aimed at preserving and conserving what has proven to be good and viable (efficacious), but allow to be changed what has proven to be flawed and unviable or not efficacious.

    First among the things to be preserved are the social structures known as “institutions.” One institution worth preserving is first the US Constitution and then all the institutions that flow from it, law and the rule of law. Standing apart from government are other protected institutions like religion, marriage, and many more, but last but not least is the conservative belief in individualism; the belief that every person must make the decisions that are best for him or herself, and such decisions cannot be made for them.

    These are the things “conservatism” in the main stands for. A major party must have one name, not a series of words making up a name, which then become acronyms. The word names Democrat and Republican fit perfectly the types of systems they would foster at their best intent. But they are no longer adequate, and have become much maligned to the degree that a large part of the citizenry doesn’t know what they stand for.

    We are supposed to believe that Democrat(s) stand for the little guy (but the party really embodies the government and bureaucracy), and republicans stand for the big guy (but really free enterprise and individualism). Big corporations and their CEOs have more to do with the Democrat Party than the Republican Party, while Democrats are able to accuse Republicans of being fosterers of those same big corporations. Unfortunately that is the case because Republicans see that the law should always be equally and indiscriminately applied to all for the system to work.

    A large government presence, and even taxation are not generally opposed by large corporations, because they are seen as leveling the playing field, and are able to be gamed by the phalanx of attorneys, accountants, and consultants they have available for their service. But the regulations and taxation big government enacts are anathema to the small business operator because the costs and effort to comply are gross distractions to operating a small business or a job shop.

    So.......What might a party which embodied Conservative First Values be called? In America, for a while the things that those values were about and which were known as “republican” values were all about free enterprise and liberty, and that's what they should be returned to today to capture the public's imagination with a vision worth pursuing or following.

    If there is a split all splinter groups will eventually fall into two main political parties. Overarching ideas and ideals should ensure that will be the case in a Federal/Executive system like ours.

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    isn't that more or less Progressisivsm? You know, like the progressivism of the Early GOP (Lincoln through the early 60s)?

    By 'social structures' I certainly hope ou are not supporting the current caste system
    not all that came or comes from the Constitution is good.
    If you truly value individualism, you would be an anarchist. the Republic was founded on limited individualism and the rule of law, which requires social contract and the loss of certain liberties to further the common good.
    Democracy favors the rule of the masses (mob rule), but the modern democrativ Party of the united States leans more towards a 'Social Democracy' that is inherently collectivist and somewhat elitist in nature. The Republic favors the rule of law, but the modern GOP favors its own oligarchy, which places the religious right and its morality above equality before the law and individualism


    the GOP was born of the Whigs who fell victim to the purges, and rose to power because they promised change.


    That is not true by default and is not the case in all European nations. Modern Americans are just too stupid to realize that this was never meant to be a 2-party oligarchy,. so they buy into self-fulfilling prophecies and the fallacy of 'only two real options'


    Our current system is wrought with fraud and impossible tio manage. While build on good ideals, the current form is not a good system
     
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    There is a reason this country has a two party system. It is not that third or fourth parties don't have any good ideas. It is due to the fact that our government is not set up as a parliamentary system. It would not be easy to build coalitions. And as for choosing a President, it could cause a real mess if one candidate did not receive the majority of electoral votes.

    In a parliamentary system, coalitions are built and the prime minister is usually chosen by the legislature, by whomever can put together a majority coalition. If the coalition collapses, the prime minister usually ends up out of office. There are advantages to that system, over our own, as a prime minister can be removed much more quickly. However, the constant building of various coalitions many times just interferes with the work to be done. More time is spent trying to figure out who will be running the show than anyone actually running it.

    With our system, you don't see as many one issue candidates and fewer people vote based on single issues. That is why each party must accomodate many people with differing views. Bottom line though, is that both parties will be around for a long time.
     

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