What causes you to have faith in your political party?

Virtually nobody here is a Republican. They're all "Independents," who vote straight ticket Republican and think the "Democrat party" is Satan incarnate.

I've seen a lot of this on other boards, it seems to come from a combination of hate for democrats and shame of voting republican so many times and being let down.

Well I think everyone feels a little let down by their party. Perhaps its because resources are more finite than anyone is willing to admit, and no politician has the ability to make everyone happy. Certainly playing a role is the fact that there are powerful people influencing the system who have a vested interest in policies that create human suffering.

In any event, if your expecting your Republican lawmakers to "Just lower taxes and balance the budget!," you are going to be disappointed. The system is far more complicated than the bumper sticker you picked up at Spencer gifts.

Balancing a budget if you're going to lower taxes obviously involves a significant lowering of spending.

What republicans and democrats think the way to fix the economy is to keep taxes the same, wildly increase spending and then put your hands out to the fed.

This works great for the super rich and the bureacrats who are often a part of said group or at least having their pockets lined by them but essentially destroys the lower and middle classes financially with making the dollar worthless. America being a perfect example of this.
 
Of course none of the political party's will let Del join.

i can't begin to describe the tremendous sense of loss i feel

something about the no socks thing.
Oddly enough, there is a party for Del to join:

Sock Party of Canada Association (SPCA)Category:Organizations - Political OrganizationsDescription:The S.P.C.A. was formed as a reaction to the complete and utter lack of world political attention given to the supremely important issue of socks.

As S.P.C.A. supporters, we believe there are some issues that have been ignored by conventional politics. We're tired of hearing about war, the environment, health care, native issues, Quebec separatism, and even world poverty.

We are deeply saddened and discouraged that no mainstream Canadian political party has tackled the complex and difficult issue of sock racism, or new anti-sockism in contemporary Canadian society.

As a result, the Sock Party of Canada Association (S.P.C.A.) was formed. But we're no single issue party. In the news section, you'll find a list of all our party positions on all the major issues.

We are conservatives, socialists, centrists, nihilists, atheists, and the religious, united. Together we shall stand, fight, and win.

The Sock Party of Canada Association: Taking the Canada out of Canada.
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The S.P.C.A. was formed as a reaction to the complete and utter lack of world political attention given to the supremely important issue of socks.

As S.P.C.A. supporters, we believe there are some issues that have been ignored by conventional politics. We're tired of hearing about war, the environment, health care, native issues, Quebec separatism, and even world poverty.

We are deeply saddened and discouraged that no mainstream Canadian political party has tackled the complex and difficult...
Sock Party of Canada Association (SPCA) | Facebook
 
Are you lefties blind? Tea Partys were organized to improve the republican party because people didn't have "faith" that the party was headed in the right direction. Democrats have "hope". Translanted it means faith that the messiah with the big ears and questionable last name will lead them into the promised land.
 
Well I can at least say my eyes have been opened in a good way so far early in this thread. I figured on a political message board it would be a lot of loyal reps and dems.

Virtually nobody here is a Republican. They're all "Independents," who vote straight ticket Republican and think the "Democrat party" is Satan incarnate.


I see you are starting to understand.
 
Well I can at least say my eyes have been opened in a good way so far early in this thread. I figured on a political message board it would be a lot of loyal reps and dems.

Virtually nobody here is a Republican. They're all "Independents," who vote straight ticket Republican and think the "Democrat party" is Satan incarnate.


I see you are starting to understand.

I've checkmated your silly cynicism, haven't I? :lol:
 
I have no faith in any political party. I think that political parties should be outlawed and each candidate should run on their own with their own views and thoughts on government, not ride the coat tails of a political party. Get rid of the party system in congress and staff and chair the committees with people by electing them in a full session. Let everyone in the house elect the Speaker not just the majority party. I think this would get some of the partisanship out of Washington and they might actually accomplish something instead of spending money and taxing us.
 
Are you lefties blind? Tea Partys were organized to improve the republican party because people didn't have "faith" that the party was headed in the right direction. Democrats have "hope". Translanted it means faith that the messiah with the big ears and questionable last name will lead them into the promised land.

The Democrats blind hope is the same blind hope Republicans had in Bush.

My guess is the Tea Party is a short term thing, once Republicans have full power in government again in 2016 it'll be a forgotten group imo.
 
I will listen to what the politicians have to say, but their actions speak louder than their words. Neither party should be proud of their accomplishments. It is too early this year to evaluate the Republicans, but they have produced a mountain to climb.

But comparatively speaking, they couldn't do much worse.
 
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Spending and debt have consistently skyrocketed in recent decades with Republicans in office. This is the party I'm told is conservative.

Wars, the Drug War, the Patriot act all have been enormously increased in spending or strength when Democrats are in office. This is the party I'm told is liberal.

This isn't some back-handed way of me promoting one of the smaller parties, but is the reality now that everyone is solely voting against the other party and not really for their party?

I just want to know who, on this forum, has faith in politicians in general regardless of party.

I mean haven't both parties proven their ilk to us all by now? Or are people blind enough to think that the dems or republicans are actually interested in looking out for us, the people?

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. -Thomas Paine

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

When are people from both parties going to wake up to the smelling salts? The people need either a 3rd party or better yet a (true) independent. Neither will happen-because the moment that comes up the Dems and Reps both band together to get rid of them.
 
Spending and debt have consistently skyrocketed in recent decades with Republicans in office. This is the party I'm told is conservative.

Wars, the Drug War, the Patriot act all have been enormously increased in spending or strength when Democrats are in office. This is the party I'm told is liberal.

This isn't some back-handed way of me promoting one of the smaller parties, but is the reality now that everyone is solely voting against the other party and not really for their party?

I just want to know who, on this forum, has faith in politicians in general regardless of party.

I mean haven't both parties proven their ilk to us all by now? Or are people blind enough to think that the dems or republicans are actually interested in looking out for us, the people?

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. -Thomas Paine

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

When are people from both parties going to wake up to the smelling salts? The people need either a 3rd party or better yet a (true) independent. Neither will happen-because the moment that comes up the Dems and Reps both band together to get rid of them.

Exactly, see Ross Perot, he wasn't even that big of a threat but the 2 status quo parties made sure to nip that "problem" in the butt before any real potential change could take place.
 
I just want to know who, on this forum, has faith in politicians in general regardless of party.

I mean haven't both parties proven their ilk to us all by now? Or are people blind enough to think that the dems or republicans are actually interested in looking out for us, the people?

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. -Thomas Paine

:clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:

When are people from both parties going to wake up to the smelling salts? The people need either a 3rd party or better yet a (true) independent. Neither will happen-because the moment that comes up the Dems and Reps both band together to get rid of them.

Exactly, see Ross Perot, he wasn't even that big of a threat but the 2 status quo parties made sure to nip that "problem" in the butt before any real potential change could take place.

Bingo. Perot wasn't a real big threat at winning, but raising questions of a 2-party system is dangerous for them.
 
Spending and debt have consistently skyrocketed in recent decades with Republicans in office. This is the party I'm told is conservative.

Wars, the Drug War, the Patriot act all have been enormously increased in spending or strength when Democrats are in office. This is the party I'm told is liberal.

This isn't some back-handed way of me promoting one of the smaller parties, but is the reality now that everyone is solely voting against the other party and not really for their party?

Any so called "liberal" would have full faith in his/her party. That is a "given". Although the term "liberal" is synonymous with liberty (Democrats hijacked the name) there is nothing liberty based that an American Democrat would endorse. They follow a quasi-fascist political philosophy and what good fascist would oppose government authoritarianism ?
 
Spending and debt have consistently skyrocketed in recent decades with Republicans in office. This is the party I'm told is conservative.

Wars, the Drug War, the Patriot act all have been enormously increased in spending or strength when Democrats are in office. This is the party I'm told is liberal.

This isn't some back-handed way of me promoting one of the smaller parties, but is the reality now that everyone is solely voting against the other party and not really for their party?

The conservative Right will tell you that too much government is bad. Yet, the past three Republican administrations grew government by an unprecedented amount. GWB grew the government by by something like 20%. Central to any fascist philosophy is strong military, strong policing, strong homeland (a Nazi term) security, strong spying/anti-privacy tactics and strong prison measures. Hence, any true Right-wing conservative would fully endorse a (fascist) Republican philosophy.


Don't believe me? Proposed Republican so called "budget cuts" (that just was passed in a Republican held congress today) excludes any chance of budget cuts to MILITARY, SECURITY or POLICING entities.
 
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Spending and debt have consistently skyrocketed in recent decades with Republicans in office. This is the party I'm told is conservative.

Wars, the Drug War, the Patriot act all have been enormously increased in spending or strength when Democrats are in office. This is the party I'm told is liberal.

This isn't some back-handed way of me promoting one of the smaller parties, but is the reality now that everyone is solely voting against the other party and not really for their party?
Because they're partisan retards incapable of independent or complex thought.

Is that redundant?
 
Spending and debt have consistently skyrocketed in recent decades with Republicans in office. This is the party I'm told is conservative.

Wars, the Drug War, the Patriot act all have been enormously increased in spending or strength when Democrats are in office. This is the party I'm told is liberal.

This isn't some back-handed way of me promoting one of the smaller parties, but is the reality now that everyone is solely voting against the other party and not really for their party?


As we've all seen over the past 30 years, administrations come into power with strong Right or Left leaning political philosophies. As their terms progress, these administrations morph into "moderate administrations". We've witnessed this with GHWB, GWB and Regan who started Right and ended moderate. The same thing happened with Clinton, after his first term, and it is very obvious that it happening with Obama now. One would ask, why does this morphing occur?

The reason is, those in an ruling role (political elite), will always come to appreciate the fascist leverage that is available not just on their political side but on the other side as well. A moderate administration can/will exploit the the authoritarian attributes available on the Left (socialism, collectivism, nationalism, limitless justice system, e.g) and the authoritarian attributes available on the Right (strong military, suppressing policing, overwhelming security, and ends justifies the means prison system). This progression pertains to the old "give em an inch and they take a mile" reality.
 
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