What brought the Ottomans down

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    It was Harem life.
    Mustafa, the rightful owner of the throne, was strangled because of her
    Roxelana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    She then gave birth to Selim II, remembered as Selim the Drunkard.
    There seems no apparent connection to him being a drinker and his mother being a Christian.
    Selim II died whilst he drunkenly slipped over on the wet floor of an unfinished bath-house.
    Selim II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Mustafa, son of Muslim woman, was regarded as a warrior and had the support of the Soldiers. After he was murdered it came to unrest in the core provinces of Anatolia.
    Sehzade Mustafa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Together with Selim the Drunkard also began the period of the woman's rule in the Empire.
    Selim II's son, Murad III, also married a Christian and she was de-facto regent of the Empire.
    Safiye Sultan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The son of Murad III and Safiye Sultan was Mehmed III.
    Mehmed III completely ceded government affairs to his mother Safiye Sultan and married also a Christian, Handan Sultan.
    Mehmed III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The son of Mehmed III and Handan Sultan was Ahmed I.
    Ahmed I also married a Christian, Kösem Sultan
    Kösem Sultan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
    Kösem Sultan was probably the most powerfull woman in Ottoman History.


    Sultanate of Women
    Sultanate of Women - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Empire went down because of mainly Christian women, who gave birth to weak regents, who drank alcohole, ceded power to their mothers and their prime ambitions was in the Harem instead of governmental affairs. All within a time, where the Empire had the upper hand against Europe.

    Discuss, if you have opposing views.
     
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    Wikipedia. How about that for saying something.


    You do realize that i can go in and change everything it has to say. Post any drivel that i want to get out there.


    Get some better sources dude.
     
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    During the Sultanate of Women the average rule of a Grand-Viziers (Ministers of Government) was less then 12 months. Discontinuity and chaotic state of things in governmental affairs was the result.
     
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    As a correction. It was not Catholic women, but Orthodox women.
     
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    You have got some SERIOUS issues regarding women. Find a shrink and work on that one.






     
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    Harem Life?

    How about genocide?

    Until Turkey admits to genocide of the Armenians and committed during their famous "Empire", they are not even a consideration.

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    This genocide is rampant in the peaceful Muslims history. This is what took the Ottoman Empire down.

    Their ferocity in ending an entire people's lives.

    Harems? I think NOT ekrem!
     
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    I love women.
    But, I draw a conclusion that women brought down the Empire, specifically in that period of time.

    At the end of my 1st post, I asked for discussion if the reader has a differing view.
    This is history and has nothing to do with having 'SERIOUS' issues with women in general.
     
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    I don't know that much about the Ottoman Empire but if you are blaming Christian women for the downfall of the empire how tough were they really? probably better that it burned to the ground.
     
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    Christian women are some real bad asses if they can bring down an empire, maybe Muslim men should take some notes from Christian women on how to fight.
     
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    You can love women and still have serious issues.

    I draw the conclusion that you think men are pussy whipped and THAT is the downfall of everything.

    I draw the conclusion based on your post that you have a very tilted view of history.

    Woman giving birth to men. In that you are right, that was the downfall of the ottoman empire.

    Woman giving up any power is the downfall of everything. :lol:
     

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