What are the underlying principles of Modern liberalism?

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What are the underlying principles of Modern liberalism?

Marxism. So called "liberals" of today are the antithesis of liberal.

 

[California Girl]

Jesus was a liberal

You really are an idiot.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The ends are totalitarianism, enforced equality.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Jesus was a liberal

You really are an idiot.

The ends are totalitarianism, enforced equality.

*sigh*

 

[AVG-JOE]

What are the underlying principles of Modern liberalism?

Marxism. So called "liberals" of today are the antithesis of liberal.

And I repeat... Whose fault is that?

Learn about the ideology, if you learn that you think liberally, embrace it and defend it, if you discover you really are a conservative, you'll be one of the few with the education to know what you're talking about. Either way, education is a win - win.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Jesus was a liberal

You really are an idiot.

The ends are totalitarianism, enforced equality.

*sigh*

choke.

 

[editec]

What are the underlying principles of Modern liberalism?

Power to the people.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Modern 20 century progressive thought.
Progressive genocide - Farhad Manjoo - Salon.com

 

[AVG-JOE]

Modern 20 century progressive thought.
Progressive genocide - Farhad Manjoo - Salon.com

Semi-interesting read - One and only one reference to the word 'liberal' in the article and I quote: "...scientists, businessmen, feminists and liberal politicians."

What's the relevance?

 

[kaz]

Liberalism is based on stupidity. It's based on a gut feeling of what one wishes were true or possible, but reality of the world does not agree with.

For example, total equality is impossible. Yet, liberalism, by definition, is the pursuit of equality. How much equality is enough? It's never enough. With each step towards equality, with success, comes the next endeavor of equality. The final result........a society in which every single aspect of life is dictated and controlled by a central authority in the name of "equality". And that can only be achieved with overwhelming force.

I wouldn't call it stupidity so much as intellectual laziness. They come up with well intentioned but poorly conceived solutions that don't work and don't want to deal with it, so when it doesn't work they just say we didn't throw enough government regulations and money at the problem and we need to do the same thing that didn't work again. The definition of insanity...

 

[JBeukema]

Id prefer to hear the answer from liberals themselves. I want to see what they say their underlying principles are.

I've found that very few who've coopted (read: hijacked) the name know nothing about Liberalism.


Most are more akin to social democrats or democratic socialists.

 

[kaz]

Id prefer to hear the answer from liberals themselves. I want to see what they say their underlying principles are.

I've found that very few who've coopted (read: hijacked) the name know nothing about Liberalism.


Most are more akin to social democrats or democratic socialists.

I agree with you, but I'm not aware of very many classic liberals. I'm aware of zero who hold office. I do have friends who are liberal who believe in gun rights, oppose the social welfare state and want government to regulate less and not more. But they have no say in politics right now and they aren't taking the liberal label back. They also tend to give the left credit for trying, though they frequently vote Republican as the lesser evil because they oppose Democratic solutions.

 

[JBeukema]

Liberalism is based on stupidity. It's based on a gut feeling of what one wishes were true or possible, but reality of the world does not agree with.

For example, total equality is impossible. Yet, liberalism, by definition, is the pursuit of equality. How much equality is enough? It's never enough. With each step towards equality, with success, comes the next endeavor of equality. The final result........a society in which every single aspect of life is dictated and controlled by a central authority in the name of "equality". And that can only be achieved with overwhelming force.

Equality is impossible?

Damn, it'd sucked to be you back in the 60's.

All men are not equal in form or potential.

A man with more slow-twitch fibers cannot train to reach the same running speeds as a man with more fast-twitch fibers. The former has more potential for feats of strength than the latter. Men are not equal in intellect or cognitive capacities. A man with dyslexia will never understand written language as well as I do- nor I as well as some. I will never master numbers and high mathematics as well as some men. I can improve, but I do not have the same potential in that area as some others do. If you believe all men are truly equal, you must believe there are no prodigies. Nor are men born equal in socioeconomic status or with equal resources and opportunities.

Equality is myth.

 

[JBeukema]

Id prefer to hear the answer from liberals themselves. I want to see what they say their underlying principles are.

That the PURPOSE of government is to serve THE PEOPLE OF THE NATION.

According to our Constitution, in my opinion, the purpose of government is NOT to 'serve' the people. It is to:

1. Establish a more perfect union.
2. Establish justice
3. Provide for the common defense.

That's it. End of. It says so in the preamble... ie the reason behind the Articles.

According to the King, the purpose of the citizenry is to serve the Crown.

This world belongs to the living, dearie.

 

[JBeukema]

That the PURPOSE of government is to serve THE PEOPLE OF THE NATION.

According to our Constitution, in my opinion, the purpose of government is NOT to 'serve' the people. It is to:

1. Establish a more perfect union.
2. Establish justice
3. Provide for the common defense.

That's it. End of. It says so in the preamble... ie the reason behind the Articles.

What do you think a more perfect union means?

Whatever the People want it to mean.

The living are not to be ruled by the dead.

 

[JBeukema]

Jesus was a liberal

The early church was socialist

All the believers were together and held everything in common.
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[rightwinger]

Id prefer to hear the answer from liberals themselves. I want to see what they say their underlying principles are.

Truth, Justice and the American way

 

[JBeukema]

liberty, egalitarianism, fraternity
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[Soggy in NOLA]

Liberalism is based on stupidity. It's based on a gut feeling of what one wishes were true or possible, but reality of the world does not agree with.

For example, total equality is impossible. Yet, liberalism, by definition, is the pursuit of equality. How much equality is enough? It's never enough. With each step towards equality, with success, comes the next endeavor of equality. The final result........a society in which every single aspect of life is dictated and controlled by a central authority in the name of "equality". And that can only be achieved with overwhelming force.

I wouldn't call it stupidity so much as intellectual laziness. They come up with well intentioned but poorly conceived solutions that don't work and don't want to deal with it, so when it doesn't work they just say we didn't throw enough government regulations and money at the problem and we need to do the same thing that didn't work again. The definition of insanity...

I'll take it a step further... they hold up all that has failed as examples of how well it has worked. The modern welfare state is aprime example.

Insanity indeed.

 

[Big Fitz]

I'm a self-described "liberal".

I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-DADT repeal.

I'm in favor of a simple, progressive tax system.
I'm in favor of expanding medicare, and social security.

I'm against all nanny-state, "healthy" laws. I smoke cigarettes, I drink.
I'm anti-prohibition. That applies to all drugs, prostitution, etc.
I'm against special interests controlling congress. I disagree with the Citizens United decision.

On Global Warming, I agree with EVERY SINGLE MAJOR SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION, and believe that climate change exists, and we're making it worse.

On most issues, I'll come down on the same side as the ACLU.

On some issues, I'll come down on the same side as the NRA.

On the Political Compass test, I'm in the mid left, far bottom.

Yep. we're absolute polar opposites on 99% of that with the exception of being Pro-NRA and Anti-'healthy' laws.