What are the suggestionsn on healthcare?

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    Obama's bill was horrible and is largely unpopular. Yet the fact still remains that something needs to be done. So what are the suggestions? How to we improve the health care situation in our country?
     
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    State ran health care. From top to bottom. State ran hospitals, clinics and so on. State paid doctors, nurses and everything else. Mandatory waivers of the right to sue. On the job training for as many positions as possible to hold costs low. Every patient and every treatment needs to be looked at from a 'remaining contribution to society/cost of treatment' perspective.

    Private healthcare firms can continue to compete as they see fit.

    The answers are out there people, we are the last industrialized nation to figure this out. We dont have healthcare because to many shitbags are making huge profits from the existing failed system.
     
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    Mostly we have to decide if we want health care to be a free market service, or controlled by the state. The last several decades has shown that trying to have it both ways doesn't work.
     
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    Yes they are. Unfortuantely you just gave a wrong answer.

    Want to see the per capita costs of health care decrease drastically in this country? There's a pretty simple solution. TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. Many of our health care costs are the direct result of things people voluntarily do to themselves. They smoke, they don't exericise, they're over weight, they don't eat right. Broadley we should treat the costs of health care the way we treat the costs of our automobiles. People who don't maintain either are going to be paying far more to fix them than those that do. You get people to plug into the costs associeted with their health, not futher remove them from it. Stop using insurance to pay for everything. Your auto insurance doesn't cover oil changes, why is it so unreasonable to ask that a person shop around for the best quality and price on their yearly physical and just pay for it themselves. To really see prices go down it is going to take a fundamental shift in how people think about the cost of healthcare. Right now, for most people, it's out of sight out of mind. All they care about is premium costs rather than costs of the services being provided. You make insurance companies compete nationally. You remove government regulations, both state and federal telling insurance companies what they must cover.

    People seem to take so for granted the power they have in a free market economy. The consumer is the regulator. The consumer is the price setter. But it requires that consumers plug in and do a little homework. Instead we have all these leftist solutions like the above. Yet more attempts by people like water to absolve people of any accountability or risk. In their world the best solutin is just give government a bunch of money(taxes) and say 'here, handle it.' If you expect the costs of things to go down handling the problem that way, you are in for a surprise.
     
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    Free-market....As with auto insurance, no mandates, select what you wish to be covered for, sell across state lines, and ..

    ... Tort Reform:
    While malpractice litigation accounts for only about 0.6 percent of U.S. health care costs, the fear of being sued causes U.S. doctors to order more tests than their Canadian counterparts. So-called defensive medicine increases health care costs by up to 9 percent, Medicare's administrator told Congress in 2005. "
    Canada keeps malpractice cost in check - St. Petersburg Times

    Big government solutions are rarely the correct path.
     
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    Hey...and we could call it 'The Commassariat."

    I know where we could get lots of signs and posters, cheap!
     
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    derp...

    1. Allow insurance companies to compete over state lines. more competition = lower prices.
    2. Lower malpractice insurance costs for doctors and throw out 99% of malpractice lawsuits. A doctor that fucks up a surgery is not to blame because the customer knew the risks.

    Medicine should be like any other business. Doctors should compete and insurance companies should compete.

    Problem. Solved.
     
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    Single-payer. An expansion of Medicare, the single-payer plan we already have in place, to cover everyone, not just old people. Bargaining power on the part of Medicare to drive prices down. Greatly reduced cost of medical school and/or generous non-loan financial aid for medical students so doctors don't emerge into practice so in debt that they can barely make ends meet even on a six-figure salary.

    That would be the way to go.

    I disagree that there's any need to have the government run medical care itself. I think we can learn from what other countries have done. France's model (much like I've described above) seems to work better than Britain's, which is true socialized medicine.
     
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    Free market efforts, from Beck, "Arguing With Idiots"...

    • a) Walgreens has retail health clinics staffed by board-certified Family Nurse Practitioners and Physicians Assistants, and expects to have 400 open by 2010, and CVS plans on about 500. Anyone can walk in and get treatment for about 1/6 the cost of an emergency room, plus about 2/3 are paid for by insurance. Treatment includes: Respiratory Illnesses
    • Additional Treatments
    • Skin Conditions
    • Minor Injuries
    • Diagnostic Testing
    • Wellness
    • Vaccinations
    • http://www.takecarehealth.com/about/

    b) Wal-Mart offers some 400 different prescription drugs @ $10 for a 90 day supply. CVS, Target, Kroegers, Food Lion, and a number of others have similar plans.

    c) eHealthinsurance.com allows you to find health insurance in your zip.

    d) Healthcarebluebook.com tells the costs of various procedures and treatments, allowing the consumer to negotiate prices with practitioners.

    e) Teledoc gets you on the phone with a licensed physician in 3 hours or less, for $35- or it’s free!

    f) American Well will let you talk to a doctor by webcam, text, phone, or IM for $45. And some Wal-Marts have virtual clinics where they can actually look into eyes, ears, and throat by webcam. http://www.americanwell.com/healthplan_FAQs.html

    g) For an annual fee of just $480 for singles ($580 for couples and $680 for families) The No Insurance Club offers affordable pre-paid health care plans that cover basic medical services from a participating board-certified physician, with no deductibles, no additional premiums, and no co-payments and either 12 or 16 visits per year. NoInsuranceClub

    h) Cosmetic surgery is the closest thing we have to a true free-market system in American. No insurance coverage, and the consumer shops around among practitioners: the price has been falling over time in real terms — despite a huge increase in volume and considerable technical innovation (which is blamed for increasing costs for every other type of surgery).

    And,...how about allowing doctors to do what every other professional can do, package services as they please, such as email consultations, and different levels of service as the customer chooses.
     
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    There are clear mandates with auto insurance. So far as I am aware every state requires it for one. For two every state has minimums of coverage.

    There is no competition in auto insurance, and they are state wide. The only competition is in marketing, and nothing else. They all participate in the same databases, to monitor who has insurance by who, and now they all run credit checks etc.

    Health insurance will be no different, there will be no competition except in marketing. It will be the illusion of competition, and nothing more. Just enough to make people accept forking over there labor for an insurance that will look for any reason to deny coverage. At the same time you will have hospitals and healthcare providers jacking up costs on people with insurance or state coverage to pay for people that do not, same as now.

    It will simply not work for the same reasons its not working now.

    Dont get me wrong, I know why people want government out of it. I am a strict fiscal conservative. But I am also of the belief that we are all human beings, and basic healthcare is a benifit everyone should recieve just for being a citizen in this nation. It can be done, and it can be done cost effective. Look at India, they have it figured out, cuba has it figured out, bulgaria has it figured out, germany has it figured out.

    We just have to decide if we would rather continue to drop bombs on six country's, or if we want to take care of ourselves.
     

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