What are the Charges?

We have a few People on this board demanding Impeachment. One of them even admits there are no specific charges but rather they want to Impeach to " investigate" the President.

Impeachment REQUIRES that the House specify SPECIFIC charges against the Person to be impeached and that the Senate act as a court and determine the guilt or innocence on those charges. ( there is no provision for "investigating" in the process)

So all you supporters of Impeachment, here is your chance... Provide a list of the CHARGES against Bush, against Cheney, against whom ever it is you think should be impeached.

<blockquote>1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court. - <a href=http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5054&news_iv_ctrl=1061>Articles of Impeachment of Bush, Cheney et al</a></blockquote>

And, if seems that pobrecito Alberto has perjured himself in his most recent testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee...just one more to add to the heap.
 
Liberals feel a need to revolt? Please do. Arm yourself and attack us ignorant redneck hillbilly retarded Conservatives. I know where my money is on THAT fight. You have failed miserably at ruling by consensus and so all thats left for you is to kill us. Go ahead try.

How will they do that? They eschewed guns in favor of patchouli oil and bongo drums... Maybe they'll protest us to death?

HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!
 
<blockquote>1) Seizing power to wage wars of aggression in defiance of the U.S. Constitution, the U.N. Charter and the rule of law; carrying out a massive assault on and occupation of Iraq, a country that was not threatening the United States, resulting in the death and maiming of over one hundred thousand Iraqis, and thousands of U.S. G.I.s.

2) Lying to the people of the U.S., to Congress, and to the U.N., providing false and deceptive rationales for war.

3) Authorizing, ordering and condoning direct attacks on civilians, civilian facilities and locations where civilian casualties were unavoidable.

4) Instituting a secret and illegal wiretapping and spying operation against the people of the United States through the National Security Agency.

5) Threatening the independence and sovereignty of Iraq by belligerently changing its government by force and assaulting Iraq in a war of aggression.

6) Authorizing, ordering and condoning assassinations, summary executions, kidnappings, secret and other illegal detentions of individuals, torture and physical and psychological coercion of prisoners to obtain false statements concerning acts and intentions of governments and individuals and violating within the United States, and by authorizing U.S. forces and agents elsewhere, the rights of individuals under the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

7) Making, ordering and condoning false statements and propaganda about the conduct of foreign governments and individuals and acts by U.S. government personnel; manipulating the media and foreign governments with false information; concealing information vital to public discussion and informed judgment concerning acts, intentions and possession, or efforts to obtain weapons of mass destruction in order to falsely create a climate of fear and destroy opposition to U.S. wars of aggression and first strike attacks.

8) Violations and subversions of the Charter of the United Nations and international law, both a part of the "Supreme Law of the land" under Article VI, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, in an attempt to commit with impunity crimes against peace and humanity and war crimes in wars and threats of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and others and usurping powers of the United Nations and the peoples of its nations by bribery, coercion and other corrupt acts and by rejecting treaties, committing treaty violations, and frustrating compliance with treaties in order to destroy any means by which international law and institutions can prevent, affect, or adjudicate the exercise of U.S. military and economic power against the international community.

9) Acting to strip United States citizens of their constitutional and human rights, ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to counsel, without charge, and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the Executive of a citizen as an "enemy combatant."

10) Ordering indefinite detention of non-citizens in the United States and elsewhere, and without charge, at the discretionary designation of the Attorney General or the Secretary of Defense.

11) Ordering and authorizing the Attorney General to override judicial orders of release of detainees under INS jurisdiction, even where the judicial officer after full hearing determines a detainee is wrongfully held by the government.

12) Authorizing secret military tribunals and summary execution of persons who are not citizens who are designated solely at the discretion of the Executive who acts as indicting official, prosecutor and as the only avenue of appellate relief.

13) Refusing to provide public disclosure of the identities and locations of persons who have been arrested, detained and imprisoned by the U.S. government in the United States, including in response to Congressional inquiry.

14) Use of secret arrests of persons within the United States and elsewhere and denial of the right to public trials.

15) Authorizing the monitoring of confidential attorney-client privileged communications by the government, even in the absence of a court order and even where an incarcerated person has not been charged with a crime.

16) Ordering and authorizing the seizure of assets of persons in the United States, prior to hearing or trial, for lawful or innocent association with any entity that at the discretionary designation of the Executive has been deemed "terrorist."

17) Engaging in criminal neglect in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, depriving thousands of people in Louisiana, Mississippi and other Gulf States of urgently needed support, causing mass suffering and unnecessary loss of life.

18) Institutionalization of racial and religious profiling and authorization of domestic spying by federal law enforcement on persons based on their engagement in noncriminal religious and political activity.

19) Refusal to provide information and records necessary and appropriate for the constitutional right of legislative oversight of executive functions.

20) Rejecting treaties protective of peace and human rights and abrogation of the obligations of the United States under, and withdrawal from, international treaties and obligations without consent of the legislative branch, and including termination of the ABM treaty between the United States and Russia, and rescission of the authorizing signature from the Treaty of Rome which served as the basis for the International Criminal Court. - <a href=http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5054&news_iv_ctrl=1061>Articles of Impeachment of Bush, Cheney et al</a></blockquote>

And, if seems that pobrecito Alberto has perjured himself in his most recent testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee...just one more to add to the heap.

Go ahead with these charges, Just about everyone has been investigated and found to be nothing more than hot air.
 
the opening premise of this thread is flawed.

Impeachment REQUIRES that the House specify SPECIFIC charges against the Person to be impeached and that the Senate act as a court and determine the guilt or innocence on those charges. ( there is no provision for "investigating" in the process)

That is all true, but it, in no way, prevents the congress from investigating presidential behavior and, if during that investigation, impeachable offenses are uncovered, impeaching the president. Henry Hyde's committee drew up specific charges after investigation. not before.
 
Go ahead with these charges, Just about everyone has been investigated and found to be nothing more than hot air.

Investigated by whom? And where are the results of said investigations to be found? Come now...Surely you can cite them. If they have been investigated, as you claim, why has the Bush administration laagered itself behind the wall of "executive privilege"? If all they want is the truth, they should have nothing to fear, for the truth shall set them free. Unless, of course, they fear the truth.
 
Investigated by whom? And where are the results of said investigations to be found? Come now...Surely you can cite them. If they have been investigated, as you claim, why has the Bush administration laagered itself behind the wall of "executive privilege"? If all they want is the truth, they should have nothing to fear, for the truth shall set them free. Unless, of course, they fear the truth.

Why of course I forgot you just turned 12 and before last month had never read or watched any news. But of course there have been no congressional investigations into any of these so called charges and no findings at all. Sure thing.
 
Why of course I forgot you just turned 12 and before last month had never read or watched any news. But of course there have been no congressional investigations into any of these so called charges and no findings at all. Sure thing.

But where are the results of the investigation you so blithely assert have disproved the charges? Your dancing skills are woefully inadequate.
 
But where are the results of the investigation you so blithely assert have disproved the charges? Your dancing skills are woefully inadequate.

Common knowledge and computer skills, your nothing more than a troll. I am not going to Google up Congressional and independent investigations that were IN the NEWS from 2003 on for you. But do feel free to keep proving your ignorance by claiming they never happened.

Perhaps in 2003, 2004 , 2005 and 2006 you were either to young to watch or read the news or perhaps you were a hermit somewhere, living under a rock perhaps.
 
here is Illinois' Charges:

Illinois Joint Resolution 125

Bush is charged with the following “high crimes and misdemeanors” in Representative Yarborough’s resolution (summary):



1. Ordering the National Security Agency to spy on American citizens without a warrant (a “felony”).

2. Violating the Torture Convention of the Geneva Conventions, “a treaty regarded as supreme law by the United States Constitution;”

3. Holding American and other citizens as “prisoners of war without a charge or trial;

4. Manipulating intelligence to start the Iraq war “resulting in the deaths of large numbers of Iraqi civilians and causing the United States to incur loss of life, diminished security and billions of dollars in unnecessary expenses; and,

5. Leaking “classified national secrets to further a political agenda” thus exposing U.S. agents “to potential harm and retribution while simultaneously refusing to potential harm and retribution while simultaneously refusing to investigate the matter.”


Noting that the Republican controlled Congress failed to investigate the matter, the resolution invokes the powers under Section 603 of the Jefferson rules. The resolution reaches its summary by arguing that:


“the State of Illinois has good cause to submit charges to the U. S. House of Representatives under Section 603 that the President of the United States has willfully violated his Oath of Office to preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States; and be it further

RESOLVED, That George W. Bush, if found guilty of the charges contained herein, should be removed from office and disqualified to hold any other office in the United States.
 
I agree with you...

Its hilarious how the conservatives here ONLY ever come back with 3rd grade style name calling, and these silly little smileys like this one ---> :cuckoo:

Fact is, the liberals in this discussion are RIGHT. The liberals (by the way) are generally the ones who expose the illegal and unethical or immoral crapola in government (from either the right or the left side, because it doesnt matter, its crap one way or another..)Oh and before ANYONE starts back on the clinton bashing/ Lewinsky <yawn> crud- HE was exposed by a liberal, too, :shock: so WHATEVER... :rolleyes:



:lol:
 
here are Vermont's Rutland County's charges:

RESOLUTION
WHEREAS, Section 603 of the Manual of the Rules of the U.S. House of Representatives provides for impeachments to be initiated on a motion based on charges transmitted from a state legislature, and

WHEREAS, George W. Bush has committed high crimes and misdemeanors as he has repeatedly and intentionally violated the United States Constitution and other laws of the United States, particularly the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and the Torture Convention, which under Article VI of the Constitution is a treaty as part of the "supreme law of the land",

WHEREAS, George W. Bush has acted to strip Americans of their constitutional rights by ordering indefinite detention of citizens, without access to legal counsel, without charge and without opportunity to appear before a civil judicial officer to challenge the detention, based solely on the discretionary designation by the President of a U.S. citizen as an "enemy combatant", all in subversion of law, and

WHEREAS, George W. Bush has ordered and authorized the Attorney General to override judicial orders for the release of detainees under U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (formerly INS) jurisdiction, even though the judicial officer after full hearing has determined that a detainee is held wrongfully by the Government, and

WHEREAS, George W. Bush has ordered at least thirty times the National Security Agency to intercept and otherwise record international telephone and other signals and communications by American citizens without warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, duly constituted by Congress in 1978, and designated certain U.S. citizens as "enemy combatants", all in violation of constitutional guarantees of due process, and

WHEREAS George W. Bush has admitted that he willfully and repeatedly violated the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and boasted that he would continue to do so, each violation constituting a felony,


NOW THEREFORE the Rutland County Democratic Committee submits that his actions and admissions constitute ample grounds for his impeachment, and that the General Assembly of the State of Vermont has good cause for submitting charges to the U.S. House of Representatives under Section 603 as grounds for George W. Bush's impeachment.

The County Committee further submits that Articles of Impeachment should charge that George W. Bush has violated his constitutional oath to execute faithfully the office of President and to the best of his ability to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

In all of this George W. Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President, subversive of constitutional government to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice, and to the manifest injury of the people of the State of Vermont and of the United States.

WHEREFORE, George W. Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any offices of honor, trust or profit under the United States.

February 28, 2006

Adopted: February 28, 2006
 
Go ahead, make the charges.... Impeach. It will show the middle of the road voters exactly where and what the Liberals are up to. I keep repeating myself. MAKE the charges, they have all been investigated and found unwarrented. Go ahead Impeach with them.

When you lose, resort to armed revolution to "save" your government. Once again, I know where my money is in any actual fight. Put your money where your mouth is.... Do your "patriotic" duty. Please.... I beg you.
 
here is Maine's charges:

In Section I below, we summarize four areas of presidential and official misconduct that most directly threaten the health and integrity of our constitutional system of government, thereby justifying the immediate commencement of impeachment proceedings:

(1) the knowing and willful deceit of Congress and the nation regarding the imminent threat posed by Iraq;

(2) the conduct of an illegal war of aggression against the sovereign nation of Iraq;

(3) the warrantless domestic wiretapping of Americans; and

(4) the unlawful treatment of prisoners, including but not limited to torture, suspension of habeas corpus, military commissions and the denial of due process, and rendition.

this link has 10 pages of DETAILS backing up above...

http://www.maineimpeach.org/Case.html
 
Go ahead, make the charges.... Impeach. It will show the middle of the road voters exactly where and what the Liberals are up to. I keep repeating myself. MAKE the charges, they have all been investigated and found unwarrented. Go ahead Impeach with them.

When you lose, resort to armed revolution to "save" your government. Once again, I know where my money is in any actual fight. Put your money where your mouth is.... Do your "patriotic" duty. Please.... I beg you.

And I ask AGAIN, where are the results of these investigations which you claim have found the charges against the Bush administration to be unwarranted? Provide links to your sources...put up or shut up.
 
And I ask AGAIN, where are the results of these investigations which you claim have found the charges against the Bush administration to be unwarranted? Provide links to your sources...put up or shut up.

Congressional investigations are a matter of public record. I already played the "provide" links game with one of you liars, and the result? After providing links to SOURCE documents he accused me of cut and paste. Your a big boy ( I hope) and if you really cared you would do your own Google, it won't take long at all.

However your continued insistance no investigation ever happened tells me your either to drug addled to remember, to young to have seen them or to partisan to care.
 

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