What about Obama makes him socialist?

[rdean]

What about Obama makes him socialist?

He wants to help other Americans go to school, own homes, have access to health care.

This current crop of Republicans call this socialism. They didn't used to. But having a black president made things different.

 

[rdean]

Without giving specifics requested, I can tell you a simple answer. It's not what a President does that makes him what he ultimately is, and what he would like to do, it is his belief system that does that. It is clear that Mr. Obama believes in government ownership of and the redistribution of wealth - that is a socialist philosophy.

martinsamerica.com

Oh I see....thought crimes

republicans know what the president is thinking

Of course. They imagine what the president is thinking because they have no thoughts that haven't been given to them to memorize and endlessly repeat. Sometimes without even knowing what the words mean. "Kenyan Colonial Mau Mau" or "Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Fascist".

 

[Synthaholic]

If we were not in an economic crisis, we'd be seeing Obama's red tendencies in full bloom.

How do we know this? Because his first achievement upon being elected was to create an entirely new entitlement program that will bankrupt not only the federal government (which really didn't need any more help going bankrupt thank you very much), but every state government as well.

Thank God we had this financial crisis to stop him from going even further. It's the silver lining in an otherwise very bleak world right now.

If the dog hadn't stopped to take a leak, he would have caught the rabbit.

 

[percysunshine]

Gosh.... having the same economic policies as Benito Mussolini makes a US President ....what?

This is not a trick question.

 

[Synthaholic]

Since that's such a common label to attach to Obama, what policies exactly has Obama enacted that make him socialist?

He doesn't have to actually enact policies to be a socialist, just as I don't have to actually enact policies to be a conservative.

Now here is the important part. How are those policies different from the policies of any of our past presidents?

Obamacare.

I'm looking for actual evidence, specific examples, and not "that is where our country" is headed nonsense.

Obamacare is an actual thing.

Obamacare was a Rightwing idea, as an answer to Hillarycare.


FAIL

 

[Synthaholic]

He's a negro, which naturally means he's lazy.

And being lazy he naturally wants the government to take care of him.

It's simple math.

/jk

You are an idiot, a useless partisan hack and your avatar is offensive. On ignore you go.

^ Can't take a joke. Or perhaps I hit his nail on the head.

Well...your avatar IS offensive!

 

[Amelia]

Since that's such a common label to attach to Obama, what policies exactly has Obama enacted that make him socialist?

He doesn't have to actually enact policies to be a socialist, just as I don't have to actually enact policies to be a conservative.



Obamacare.

I'm looking for actual evidence, specific examples, and not "that is where our country" is headed nonsense.

Obamacare is an actual thing.

Obamacare was a Rightwing idea, as an answer to Hillarycare.


FAIL

The atrocity known as Obamacare is not what he wanted. We stopped him from getting what he wanted. So now because he is a failed socialist, Dems can conveniently argue that he's not one at all.

 

[Synthaholic]

He doesn't have to actually enact policies to be a socialist, just as I don't have to actually enact policies to be a conservative.



Obamacare.



Obamacare is an actual thing.

what about it makes it socialist?

You're just being obtuse. It's nearly textbook socialism.

By making Americans take personal responsibility for their own payment of their own healthcare, by purchasing private insurance on the open market, from Fortune 500, Wall Street insurance corporations?

Yeah - that's sooooo anti-Capitalist!!!!

 

[Synthaholic]

He doesn't have to actually enact policies to be a socialist, just as I don't have to actually enact policies to be a conservative.



Obamacare.



Obamacare is an actual thing.

Obamacare was a Rightwing idea, as an answer to Hillarycare.


FAIL

The atrocity known as Obamacare is not what he wanted. We stopped him from getting what he wanted. So now because he is a failed socialist, Dems can conveniently argue that he's not one at all.

Tell us what he really wanted, then.

 

[Greenbeard]

The atrocity known as Obamacare is not what he wanted. We stopped him from getting what he wanted.

Odd, it's what he campaigned on. Imagine that, campaigning on, signing into law, and implementing policies he didn't want, all to keep us from finding out what he did want.

What a masterstroke of misdirection!

 

[rdean]

Hmm, let's see, Maybe Barry tipped his socialist hand when he refered to the US Chamber of Commerce as a "sinister tool of the GOP". Maybe when he appointed a communist former leader of an arson and looting rampage to be on his green jobs board only there ain't any green jobs. How about government control of goods and services? Ain't that what Barry and the boys want? The forced mandate that Americans have to purchase a product (health insurance) or be put in jail? The apology tour and the extortion scheme called global warming that Barry Hussein says is all America's fault?

The US Chamber of Commerce is a "sinister tool of the GOP". They worked with China and the Republicans to move millions of jobs to China from 2001 to 2008. They give to Republicans 9 to 1 over Democrats. They receive huge amounts of money from China, India and Russia.

All this stuff has been linked to dozens of times. Where have you been?

 

[Synthaholic]

Hmm, let's see, Maybe Barry tipped his socialist hand when he refered to the US Chamber of Commerce as a "sinister tool of the GOP". Maybe when he appointed a communist former leader of an arson and looting rampage to be on his green jobs board only there ain't any green jobs. How about government control of goods and services? Ain't that what Barry and the boys want? The forced mandate that Americans have to purchase a product (health insurance) or be put in jail? The apology tour and the extortion scheme called global warming that Barry Hussein says is all America's fault?

The US Chamber of Commerce is a "sinister tool of the GOP". They worked with China and the Republicans to move millions of jobs to China from 2001 to 2008. They give to Republicans 9 to 1 over Democrats. They receive huge amounts of money from China, India and Russia.

All this stuff has been linked to dozens of times. Where have you been?

Listening to Rushbo, apparently.

 

[percysunshine]

I never knew I could be half pregnant.

It is a strange phenomenon.

 

[Amelia]

The atrocity known as Obamacare is not what he wanted. We stopped him from getting what he wanted.

Odd, it's what he campaigned on. Imagine that, campaigning on, signing into law, and implementing policies he didn't want, all to keep us from finding out what he did want.

What a masterstroke of misdirection!

The VERSION of ACA with which we are now saddled is NOT what he campaigned on.

In fact he campaigned against it. He thrashed Hillary over a mandate.



Obama's stated goal was single payer. Of course he backpeddled on that and claimed he never stated that was his goal, but darnit all, we have this little thing called YouTube now.



But Obama continues to thank his lucky stars that in spite of the information available to them if they want to look at it, millions of ignorant Americans will still give him credit for checking his legacy achievement off his to-do list no matter how far it was from what he promised, no matter how many laws it breaks, no matter what a drag it is on the economy, and no matter how many lies he had to tell to get it.

 

[Amelia]

Obamacare was a Rightwing idea, as an answer to Hillarycare.


FAIL

The atrocity known as Obamacare is not what he wanted. We stopped him from getting what he wanted. So now because he is a failed socialist, Dems can conveniently argue that he's not one at all.

Tell us what he really wanted, then.

I'll let him tell you:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE]Obama on single payer health insurance - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Greenbeard]

The VERSION of ACA with which we are now saddled is NOT what he campaigned on.

In fact he campaigned against it. He thrashed Hillary over a mandate.

So when you said "we stopped him from getting what he wanted," you meant you stopped him from getting the ACA minus the individual mandate?

Obama the candidate did (foolishly) argue that a mandate wasn't necessary; that's indeed an area where he could've learned something from Mitt Romney.

As a candidate, Mr. Obama did favor requiring all children to have insurance. Once he took office, his top aides began examining other options, said Ezekiel J. Emanuel, a former health policy adviser to Mr. Obama. The aides studied the experience of Massachusetts, which has a mandate, and health laws in other states that do not. They considered voluntary incentives to get healthy people to enroll.

Their internal modeling, Dr. Emanuel said, showed that a mandate would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured people. Without such a requirement, he said, the administration estimated it could cover 16 million people at three-fourths the cost of covering the 32 million. In the face of such evidence, Mr. Obama reversed himself.

“I don’t think it was a slam-dunk,” said Dr. Emanuel, now a vice provost at the University of Pennsylvania and a regular contributor to The New York Times’s Op-Ed page. “The president did take very seriously his reputation for following what he said, so he was very reluctant to change his opinion unless he was very convinced.”

Obama's stated goal was single payer.

As near as I can tell, he claimed to be a proponent once a decade ago to a union audience as a state senator eying the Democratic Senate nomination in Illinois. At no point in recent years, in his national political career, has he indicated any strong affinity for single-payer.

He ran on a private multi-payer system, he signed a law preserving and expanding the private multi-payer system, and his administration is implementing that law now. It's odd that while Obama has sometimes been accused of being more empty words than real action, some of his critics seem to put much more weight in something he said once a decade ago than what he's actually done with the national spotlight and political power over the last several years.

It should be fairly clear that when it comes to health care financing, Obama is a Romney Republican.

 

[peach174]

Since that's such a common label to attach to Obama, what policies exactly has Obama enacted that make him socialist?

Now here is the important part. How are those policies different from the policies of any of our past presidents?

I'm looking for actual evidence, specific examples, and not "that is where our country" is headed nonsense.

Socialism is government growth ( more departments and agencies).Government controlling the society.
We have had socialism in both parties who have grow-en the government.
it started with President Teddy Roosevelt a repub and presidents from both parties have made our government bigger.
From WWII to the present, gov. has been at 19.6
Under Obama it grew to 25.4 in 2010. The growth projected by gov. numbers say that it will grow by another 3.1 in 2012.
So under Obama it has gone from 19.6 in 2009 to the end of 2012 it will be 28.5 %.
He has added new departments ,more tzar's and the new health care bill has added hundreds of new departments and government workers.
That's socialism on growth hormones, RDD.

 

[Amelia]

The VERSION of ACA with which we are now saddled is NOT what he campaigned on.

In fact he campaigned against it. He thrashed Hillary over a mandate.

So when you said "we stopped him from getting what he wanted," you meant you stopped him from getting the ACA minus the individual mandate?

Obama the candidate did (foolishly) argue that a mandate wasn't necessary; that's indeed an area where he could've learned something from Mitt Romney.

As a candidate, Mr. Obama did favor requiring all children to have insurance. Once he took office, his top aides began examining other options, said Ezekiel J. Emanuel, a former health policy adviser to Mr. Obama. The aides studied the experience of Massachusetts, which has a mandate, and health laws in other states that do not. They considered voluntary incentives to get healthy people to enroll.

Their internal modeling, Dr. Emanuel said, showed that a mandate would extend coverage to 32 million uninsured people. Without such a requirement, he said, the administration estimated it could cover 16 million people at three-fourths the cost of covering the 32 million. In the face of such evidence, Mr. Obama reversed himself.

“I don’t think it was a slam-dunk,” said Dr. Emanuel, now a vice provost at the University of Pennsylvania and a regular contributor to The New York Times’s Op-Ed page. “The president did take very seriously his reputation for following what he said, so he was very reluctant to change his opinion unless he was very convinced.”

Obama's stated goal was single payer.

As near as I can tell, he claimed to be a proponent once a decade ago to a union audience as a state senator eying the Democratic Senate nomination in Illinois. At no point in recent years, in his national political career, has he indicated any strong affinity for single-payer.

He ran on a private multi-payer system, he signed a law preserving and expanding the private multi-payer system, and his administration is implementing that law now. It's odd that while Obama has sometimes been accused of being more empty words than real action, some of his critics seem to put much more weight in something he said once a decade ago than what he's actually done with the national spotlight and political power over the last several years.

It should be fairly clear that when it comes to health care financing, Obama is a Romney Republican.

What is clear is that Democrats were and are willing to overlook the few chances we had of knowing who Obama was before his election, and are willing to use his failures to achieve his ends as further excuse to say those of us who did pay attention to him were wrong.

Obama was a political opportunist who was more interested in nominal achievements than in standing up for his principles. The most important thing to him was making history.

However, none of this means that Obama's basic ideals aren't socialist. Without Republicans reining him in, Obama would have loved to play to his Progressive base. But gee, our elected representatives represented us and did their duty and stopped him from achieving many of his misguided goals.

Just because he disappointed practically everyone who voted for him does not make him a Republican. Not a Romney Republican or otherwise.

Just because he displayed a spine of jello when it came to things like extending the Bush taxcuts, doesn't mean that he is a Republican of any flavor. You don't want to claim him, but that doesn't make him one of us.





I hope you know that the spine he seems to be showing now is just a reelection ploy. He wouldn't be any better in a second term than he was in the first.

 

[Oldstyle]

Since that's such a common label to attach to Obama, what policies exactly has Obama enacted that make him socialist?

Now here is the important part. How are those policies different from the policies of any of our past presidents?

I'm looking for actual evidence, specific examples, and not "that is where our country" is headed nonsense.

It's really quite simple actually, RDD...Barack Obama believes that it is "fair" to take from those that have earned...and give it to those that haven't. He's naive enough to believe that doing so is workable in the real world despite all the evidence to the contrary. I don't waste time trying to affix "labels" to people. Who cares if he fits the definition of "socialist" or not? All that really matters is whether or not he has ideas that will work. Between you and me? I think Barack ran out of ideas about half way through year two of his first term.

 

[RDD_1210]

And still no one can answer my original post. Just as I suspected...people using words they just don't understand.