What a vile waste of U.S. taxpayer money...

[Mr. Shaman]

If we had listened to the Republicans, we could have had their health care plan. "Die Quickly". Then we wouldn't need to worry about health care and medicare and social security and all that other nonsense.

We need to concentrate on tax breaks for people making over a million dollars a year.

Listen to Republicans. Those people have their priorities straight. They KNOW what is good for the country.

You're maybe not aware of one small fact.... The GOP never said 'Die Quickly'.... that was a Democrat, lying on the congressional floor. Interesting morals that Democrats have.

You're (quite) obviously unfamiliar with The Wicked Bitch of Arizona.....

(Stupid Bubblehead.....

)​

 

[MaggieMae]

b. “The government's record-keeping was in such disarray 15 years ago that both parties agreed drastic steps were needed. Congress and two presidents took a series of actions from 1990 to 1996 that: Created the Federal Accounting Standards Advisory Board to establish accounting rules, a role similar to what the powerful Financial Accounting Standards Board does for corporations.” USATODAY.com - What's the real federal deficit?

With the DoD taking a third of the annual budget, it remains unauditable. Do the conservatives ever mention that little factoid? Of course not.

You love to list what accounts for uncontrolled spending, PC, but some of these numbers should be drilled into your memory box as well. Considering that David Walker, former GAO chief, has said many times that they have no idea what its assets are worth, nor what they waste in terms of dollars, all we have is what the Pentagon admits to, and that by itself is shocking:

Pentagon's Accounting a Shambles, Says Report

And nothing's changed. This report was released in July 2010. Was anyone concerned? Nah, we were too busy lambasting health care reform and financial reform as being too expensive. Uh huh...

Pentagon can't account for $8.7B in Iraqi funds

The Defense Department is unable to properly account for $8.7 billion of $9.1 billion in Iraqi oil revenue entrusted to it between 2004 and 2007, according to a newly released audit that underscores a pattern of poor record-keeping during the war.

Of that amount, the military failed to provide any records at all for $2.6 billion in purported reconstruction expenditure, says the report by the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction, which is responsible for monitoring U.S. spending in Iraq. The rest of the money was not properly deposited in special accounts, as required under Treasury Department rules -- making it difficult to trace how it was spent.

$663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense
2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More precisely:

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 28–38% of budgeted expenditures and 42–57% of estimated tax revenues.

 

[Sallow]

So it is OK if corporations control the airways with pure nonsense, but government is held to some absurd standard? One has to laugh at the source of this OP, and their 'about statement' (below). They call them conservative and then say they are non-partisan. Only a fool could write that oxymoron. Weird how conservatives are for a dog eat dog world, and then mention Medicare change - don't they hate that too. Hypocrite thy name is corporate conservative tool.

"Judicial Watch, Inc., a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation, promotes transparency, accountability and integrity in government, politics and the law. Through its educational endeavors, Judicial Watch advocates high standards of ethics and morality in our nation's public life and seeks to ensure that political and judicial officials do not abuse the powers entrusted to them by the American people. Judicial Watch fulfills its educational mission through litigation, investigations, and public outreach."


"The 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy." Alex Carey

Only an idiot would let gov. use the airwaves for propaganda like this.
I can't find the section in the Constitution about gov. having the authority to advertise about how wonderful it is forcing people into a contractual commitments with health insurers.

So you were mad when the Bush administration produced fake news shows and paid journalists to write fluff pieces?

What about when Krauthammer comment on a speech Bush had given..that was written by Krauthammer?

Or were those things okay..and infomercials about how to access benefits aren't..

 

[MaggieMae]

If we had listened to the Republicans, we could have had their health care plan. "Die Quickly". Then we wouldn't need to worry about health care and medicare and social security and all that other nonsense.

We need to concentrate on tax breaks for people making over a million dollars a year.

Listen to Republicans. Those people have their priorities straight. They KNOW what is good for the country.

You're maybe not aware of one small fact.... The GOP never said 'Die Quickly'.... that was a Democrat, lying on the congressional floor. Interesting morals that Democrats have.

Thanks for the reminder.

Isn't it interesting, though, that we still hear talk of "deal panels." Now where did that come from I wonder?

 

[MaggieMae]

oh...i thought this thread was about darryl issa wanting to hold a hearing a day.




never mind.

Or was it Hoyer who had hearings on the bank meltdowns? Funny girl.

I guess you'll have to splane the difference again, Jill.

 

[PoliticalChic]

With the DoD taking a third of the annual budget, it remains unauditable. Do the conservatives ever mention that little factoid? Of course not.

You love to list what accounts for uncontrolled spending, PC, but some of these numbers should be drilled into your memory box as well. Considering that David Walker, former GAO chief, has said many times that they have no idea what its assets are worth, nor what they waste in terms of dollars, all we have is what the Pentagon admits to, and that by itself is shocking:

Pentagon's Accounting a Shambles, Says Report

And nothing's changed. This report was released in July 2010. Was anyone concerned? Nah, we were too busy lambasting health care reform and financial reform as being too expensive. Uh huh...

Pentagon can't account for $8.7B in Iraqi funds

$663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense
2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More precisely:

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 28–38% of budgeted expenditures and 42–57% of estimated tax revenues.

Well, how about you include all the Social Security too, silnce those folks will receive that some day...and Medicare too....

 

[Flopper]

But the truth is that the new [Obamacare] law is guaranteed to result in benefit cuts for one class of Medicare beneficiaries — those in private Medicare Advantage plans.

Medicare Advantage is SUBSIDIZED out of standard Medicare funding in order to pay off private insurers for increased coverage. In other words, a chunk of what the government pays 80% for my standard Medicare coverage goes to buy hearing aids or other extras for someone else's granny. I'm shocked that Judicial Watch doesn't know that. Shocked.

Not any more. I have a Medicare Advantage plan. Over the last two years Medicare reimbursements to the plan have fallen, my premiums have risen sharply, and the coverage above what I would get from Medicare has been reduced.

 

[The T]

You're maybe not aware of one small fact.... The GOP never said 'Die Quickly'.... that was a Democrat, lying on the congressional floor. Interesting morals that Democrats have.

Thanks for the reminder.

Isn't it interesting, though, that we still hear talk of "deal panels." Now where did that come from I wonder?

The Democrat Statists that foisted this crap on the res of us. It's in the Healthcare Law they voted for. You have nameless faceless bureaucrats making decisions to pay for treatment or not.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Listen to Republicans. Those people have their priorities straight. They KNOW what is good for the country.

so they finally got to ya.....

 

[PoliticalChic]

"With the DoD taking a third of the annual budget, it remains unauditable. Do the conservatives ever mention that little factoid? Of course not."



Obama’s 2011 Budget Proposal: How It’s Spent

Obama?s 2011 Budget Proposal: How It?s Spent - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com

$3.69 trillon budget proposal

1. Social Security $738
2.National Defense $738 (20%)



3. Income Security $567

4. Medicare $498

5.Net Interest $251

6. Health $381

7. Education $122

8. Veteran’s Benefits $122

9. Transportation $91.55

10. International Affairs $67.39
$3,575.94

 

[PoliticalChic]

With the DoD taking a third of the annual budget, it remains unauditable. Do the conservatives ever mention that little factoid? Of course not.

You love to list what accounts for uncontrolled spending, PC, but some of these numbers should be drilled into your memory box as well. Considering that David Walker, former GAO chief, has said many times that they have no idea what its assets are worth, nor what they waste in terms of dollars, all we have is what the Pentagon admits to, and that by itself is shocking:

Pentagon's Accounting a Shambles, Says Report

And nothing's changed. This report was released in July 2010. Was anyone concerned? Nah, we were too busy lambasting health care reform and financial reform as being too expensive. Uh huh...

Pentagon can't account for $8.7B in Iraqi funds

$663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense
2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More precisely:

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 28–38% of budgeted expenditures and 42–57% of estimated tax revenues.

"You love to list what accounts for uncontrolled spending, PC, but some of these numbers should be drilled into your memory box as well. Considering that David Walker, former GAO chief, has said many times that they have no idea what its assets are worth, nor what they waste in terms of dollars, all we have is what the Pentagon admits to, and that by itself is shocking..."

Not sure what point you believe you are making...but you seem to be unaware that the federal government makes a point of hiding what is being spent, or, even why it is spent.

That is why they have developed their own rules of accounting, very diffenent from that of the public corporation world, and why they use six different methods of providing accounting data.

Be aware, the media makes a point, as well, of highlighting what ever the government announces rather than the investigating reporting....

I'd continue, but then this post would sound like the conspiracy forum.

 

[Capitalist]

Only an idiot would let gov. use the airwaves for propaganda like this.
I can't find the section in the Constitution about gov. having the authority to advertise about how wonderful it is forcing people into a contractual commitments with health insurers.

How thick did you want the Constitution to be?

It's thick enough.
The Fed. gov. was given very little power, except what was stolen by progressives.
Maybe we can keep our Republic, maybe not.

 

[MaggieMae]

$663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense
2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More precisely:

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 28–38% of budgeted expenditures and 42–57% of estimated tax revenues.

Well, how about you include all the Social Security too, silnce those folks will receive that some day...and Medicare too....

Are you denying that the Pentagon takes a huge bite out of the pie and that there aren't hidden costs related to the military not shown in their annual budget? Maybe Ron Paul can explain it to your satisfaction:

msnbc tv- msnbc.com

 

[MaggieMae]

Thanks for the reminder.

Isn't it interesting, though, that we still hear talk of "deal panels." Now where did that come from I wonder?

The Democrat Statists that foisted this crap on the res of us. It's in the Healthcare Law they voted for. You have nameless faceless bureaucrats making decisions to pay for treatment or not.

[death]

So you still believe it, eh? Pathetic. The irony is that under a private plan, administrators of those plans make life/death decisions every day, but that has never seemed to bother anyone.

It's really frustrating that after all this time, some of you people continue to believe that the health care reform will operate as a universal program administered by the government, when in fact, insurance companies will still be making the decisions on coverage, not the government.

 

[MaggieMae]

But the truth is that the new [Obamacare] law is guaranteed to result in benefit cuts for one class of Medicare beneficiaries — those in private Medicare Advantage plans.

Medicare Advantage is SUBSIDIZED out of standard Medicare funding in order to pay off private insurers for increased coverage. In other words, a chunk of what the government pays 80% for my standard Medicare coverage goes to buy hearing aids or other extras for someone else's granny. I'm shocked that Judicial Watch doesn't know that. Shocked.

Not any more. I have a Medicare Advantage plan. Over the last two years Medicare reimbursements to the plan have fallen, my premiums have risen sharply, and the coverage above what I would get from Medicare has been reduced.

As it should. I think it's great that YOU an afford the additional premium, but most of us cannot, so why should I be subsidizing your perks?

 

[MaggieMae]

$663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense
2010 United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

More precisely:

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2010 for about 19% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 28% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 28–38% of budgeted expenditures and 42–57% of estimated tax revenues.

"You love to list what accounts for uncontrolled spending, PC, but some of these numbers should be drilled into your memory box as well. Considering that David Walker, former GAO chief, has said many times that they have no idea what its assets are worth, nor what they waste in terms of dollars, all we have is what the Pentagon admits to, and that by itself is shocking..."

Not sure what point you believe you are making...but you seem to be unaware that the federal government makes a point of hiding what is being spent, or, even why it is spent.

That is why they have developed their own rules of accounting, very diffenent from that of the public corporation world, and why they use six different methods of providing accounting data.

Be aware, the media makes a point, as well, of highlighting what ever the government announces rather than the investigating reporting....

I'd continue, but then this post would sound like the conspiracy forum.

Nice spin on the subject.

 

[MaggieMae]

Only an idiot would let gov. use the airwaves for propaganda like this.
I can't find the section in the Constitution about gov. having the authority to advertise about how wonderful it is forcing people into a contractual commitments with health insurers.

How thick did you want the Constitution to be?

It's thick enough.
The Fed. gov. was given very little power, except what was stolen by progressives.
Maybe we can keep our Republic, maybe not.

So it's only Democrats that have been running government since 1789? What a dope.

 

[Jarhead]

Isn't it interesting, though, that we still hear talk of "deal panels." Now where did that come from I wonder?

The Democrat Statists that foisted this crap on the res of us. It's in the Healthcare Law they voted for. You have nameless faceless bureaucrats making decisions to pay for treatment or not.

[death]

So you still believe it, eh? Pathetic. The irony is that under a private plan, administrators of those plans make life/death decisions every day, but that has never seemed to bother anyone.

It's really frustrating that after all this time, some of you people continue to believe that the health care reform will operate as a universal program administered by the government, when in fact, insurance companies will still be making the decisions on coverage, not the government.

Actually, the discussion of "death panls" was iun regard to the "government plan" if one was to be included in the reform.

You see, with private carriers, you opt to choose the policy...in plan, out of plan, full coverage, deductable...all choices...and yes, sometimes the plan you choose will allow the insuracne company to deny you what you need...but that was based on the plan you opted for.

But if the government ran a plan, the only way it could be coist effective is if they, the government, made the same decisions....but you would not have a choice of plan...it would have been a one size fits all plan...

Yes, death panels was a strong term to use....but as you suggest...they already exist in the private carriers.

Imagine the government making those decisions and you having no choice but to accept the only plan available.

 

[Jarhead]

How thick did you want the Constitution to be?

It's thick enough.
The Fed. gov. was given very little power, except what was stolen by progressives.
Maybe we can keep our Republic, maybe not.

So it's only Democrats that have been running government since 1789? What a dope.

Nope...over the years, both parties found that the best way to get votes is to buy them with promises of entitlements...

Both parties are guilty.

And now what?

 

[MaggieMae]

Be aware, the media makes a point, as well, of highlighting what ever the government announces rather than the investigating reporting....

You're really failing with your attempts on this topic, PC. The GAO publishes a list of their "investigations" and the media will report on the most controversial results. The sheer number of investigations (see list, updated daily below) would be impossible for the media to cover. So now you're blaming the media? Again, nice spin.

U.S. Government Accountability Office (U.S. GAO)